NE/SE affordability and upcoming areas?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kingman Park streets 21/23 to Oklahoma specifically, generally don't have people standing around (Benning rd is another story, but it is its own world).

People say H St is declining so no to Trinidad, but also I feel like people who say H St is declining have literally no memory of H St 15-17 years ago before it improved. It remains to this day vastly different and vastly better, I went there when there was only 2-3 restaurants like Granville Moore's and some liquor stores. H St has constantly churned/replaced restaurants over 15 years but everyone freaks out about restaurant closings in the recent 2 years though it's nothing new.

The state of RFK remains the biggest question mark and, should something happen there, the biggest potential to cause growth in the adjacent neighborhood including across the river. However, nothing has happened yet in whatever 15-20 years of the city trying to get something to happen. Senator Steve Daines from Utah was the most recent GOP person to block development of that site in committee.

Super weird to suggest Kingman Park (which is close to Benning Road) and then reject Trinidad for being too close to H Street (Trinidad is several blocks separated from H Street and also whatever issues H Street has had recently it's significantly safer and more gentrified than Benning).

Also I've watched as several places we had our eye on in Trinidad have gone for 900k-1.1m (outside our budget) in the last couple years even with the higher rates so I would actually argue Trinidad is on an upswing. Enough of one that we can no longer afford a SFH there and could only get a condo. So it seems like not a lot of people are writing Trinidad off due to its proximity to H.

For me, it is the value. Trinidad is already very expensive and the price of upswing is baked in. Anacostia and Randle Heights have a lot of values and prices are still reasonable so we ended up buying there.

I wasn't saying no to Trinidad, I was saying people had said not to buy in Trindad because they thought H St has declined. H St is still a fairy tale compared to 15 years ago when there was virtually nothing minus a couple of bars and a restaurant; no large grocery store other than the Safeway at the Starburst, no large apartment buildings, entire stretches of abandoned property, no gym class locations like Orange Theory, etc and not many people in general. I always find those posts comical as H St is still a far, far cry from what it was and has some great restaurants still. If you know the area, it has had a million and one restaurant openings and closings in the past 15 years so I don't see much new and restaurant turnover itself is NOT new.

And to the person who said there are only vape shops, that is a literal lie from a troll. Maketto, Hiraya (delicious and one of Bon Apetit's most anticipated restaurant openings in 2023), Toki (still some of the best ramen I've ever had), Granville Moores, Little Grande, Bronze, Queen Vic, the Pug, Haymaker, Dumpling Hot Pot, Tiki Garden, Ethiopic, and on and on. Why would you lie like that?

[Anonymous]

Oh, I like Trinidad but for me it is future appreciation and what I could afford right now.

What I ended up doing is bought a 4 unit property, living in one and renting the other three. I keep an eye on my property and rent out the others. A few of my friends are looking into that too and there is a lot of activity in the Fairlawn area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kingman Park streets 21/23 to Oklahoma specifically, generally don't have people standing around (Benning rd is another story, but it is its own world).

People say H St is declining so no to Trinidad, but also I feel like people who say H St is declining have literally no memory of H St 15-17 years ago before it improved. It remains to this day vastly different and vastly better, I went there when there was only 2-3 restaurants like Granville Moore's and some liquor stores. H St has constantly churned/replaced restaurants over 15 years but everyone freaks out about restaurant closings in the recent 2 years though it's nothing new.

The state of RFK remains the biggest question mark and, should something happen there, the biggest potential to cause growth in the adjacent neighborhood including across the river. However, nothing has happened yet in whatever 15-20 years of the city trying to get something to happen. Senator Steve Daines from Utah was the most recent GOP person to block development of that site in committee.

Super weird to suggest Kingman Park (which is close to Benning Road) and then reject Trinidad for being too close to H Street (Trinidad is several blocks separated from H Street and also whatever issues H Street has had recently it's significantly safer and more gentrified than Benning).

Also I've watched as several places we had our eye on in Trinidad have gone for 900k-1.1m (outside our budget) in the last couple years even with the higher rates so I would actually argue Trinidad is on an upswing. Enough of one that we can no longer afford a SFH there and could only get a condo. So it seems like not a lot of people are writing Trinidad off due to its proximity to H.

For me, it is the value. Trinidad is already very expensive and the price of upswing is baked in. Anacostia and Randle Heights have a lot of values and prices are still reasonable so we ended up buying there.

I wasn't saying no to Trinidad, I was saying people had said not to buy in Trindad because they thought H St has declined. H St is still a fairy tale compared to 15 years ago when there was virtually nothing minus a couple of bars and a restaurant; no large grocery store other than the Safeway at the Starburst, no large apartment buildings, entire stretches of abandoned property, no gym class locations like Orange Theory, etc and not many people in general. I always find those posts comical as H St is still a far, far cry from what it was and has some great restaurants still. If you know the area, it has had a million and one restaurant openings and closings in the past 15 years so I don't see much new and restaurant turnover itself is NOT new.

And to the person who said there are only vape shops, that is a literal lie from a troll. Maketto, Hiraya (delicious and one of Bon Apetit's most anticipated restaurant openings in 2023), Toki (still some of the best ramen I've ever had), Granville Moores, Little Grande, Bronze, Queen Vic, the Pug, Haymaker, Dumpling Hot Pot, Tiki Garden, Ethiopic, and on and on. Why would you lie like that?

PP you forgot Daru - Michelin guide restaurant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kingman Park streets 21/23 to Oklahoma specifically, generally don't have people standing around (Benning rd is another story, but it is its own world).

People say H St is declining so no to Trinidad, but also I feel like people who say H St is declining have literally no memory of H St 15-17 years ago before it improved. It remains to this day vastly different and vastly better, I went there when there was only 2-3 restaurants like Granville Moore's and some liquor stores. H St has constantly churned/replaced restaurants over 15 years but everyone freaks out about restaurant closings in the recent 2 years though it's nothing new.

The state of RFK remains the biggest question mark and, should something happen there, the biggest potential to cause growth in the adjacent neighborhood including across the river. However, nothing has happened yet in whatever 15-20 years of the city trying to get something to happen. Senator Steve Daines from Utah was the most recent GOP person to block development of that site in committee.

Super weird to suggest Kingman Park (which is close to Benning Road) and then reject Trinidad for being too close to H Street (Trinidad is several blocks separated from H Street and also whatever issues H Street has had recently it's significantly safer and more gentrified than Benning).

Also I've watched as several places we had our eye on in Trinidad have gone for 900k-1.1m (outside our budget) in the last couple years even with the higher rates so I would actually argue Trinidad is on an upswing. Enough of one that we can no longer afford a SFH there and could only get a condo. So it seems like not a lot of people are writing Trinidad off due to its proximity to H.

For me, it is the value. Trinidad is already very expensive and the price of upswing is baked in. Anacostia and Randle Heights have a lot of values and prices are still reasonable so we ended up buying there.

I wasn't saying no to Trinidad, I was saying people had said not to buy in Trindad because they thought H St has declined. H St is still a fairy tale compared to 15 years ago when there was virtually nothing minus a couple of bars and a restaurant; no large grocery store other than the Safeway at the Starburst, no large apartment buildings, entire stretches of abandoned property, no gym class locations like Orange Theory, etc and not many people in general. I always find those posts comical as H St is still a far, far cry from what it was and has some great restaurants still. If you know the area, it has had a million and one restaurant openings and closings in the past 15 years so I don't see much new and restaurant turnover itself is NOT new.

And to the person who said there are only vape shops, that is a literal lie from a troll. Maketto, Hiraya (delicious and one of Bon Apetit's most anticipated restaurant openings in 2023), Toki (still some of the best ramen I've ever had), Granville Moores, Little Grande, Bronze, Queen Vic, the Pug, Haymaker, Dumpling Hot Pot, Tiki Garden, Ethiopic, and on and on. Why would you lie like that?

PP you forgot Daru - Michelin guide restaurant.

Thank you for the correction; Daru is delicious!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hood ridge is bad. You have better places in NoVA or DC than Woodbridge.

Woodbridge has a lot of crime. Not a good place to live.

[Anonymous]

I have found some decent restaurants on the new MLK avenue near Anacostia. Apparently, they are planning to spend close to $1B to build that avenue and first phase is done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hood ridge is bad. You have better places in NoVA or DC than Woodbridge.

Woodbridge has a lot of crime. Not a good place to live.

+-. Hasn't been for a long time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hood ridge is bad. You have better places in NoVA or DC than Woodbridge.

Woodbridge has a lot of crime. Not a good place to live.

+-. Hasn't been for a long time

True. I would rather be in Annandale than Woodbridge.

[Anonymous]

The original PP is referring to Woodridge DC, not Woodbridge VA.

[Anonymous]

They are both bad. LOL

[Anonymous]

I have been looking at properties all over DC and found a duplex(3 bedrooms each side) in Fairlawn that is fully updated for $750K. I could rent out one side for close to $2800 and it would cover 75% of my mortgage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kingman Park streets 21/23 to Oklahoma specifically, generally don't have people standing around (Benning rd is another story, but it is its own world).

People say H St is declining so no to Trinidad, but also I feel like people who say H St is declining have literally no memory of H St 15-17 years ago before it improved. It remains to this day vastly different and vastly better, I went there when there was only 2-3 restaurants like Granville Moore's and some liquor stores. H St has constantly churned/replaced restaurants over 15 years but everyone freaks out about restaurant closings in the recent 2 years though it's nothing new.

The state of RFK remains the biggest question mark and, should something happen there, the biggest potential to cause growth in the adjacent neighborhood including across the river. However, nothing has happened yet in whatever 15-20 years of the city trying to get something to happen. Senator Steve Daines from Utah was the most recent GOP person to block development of that site in committee.

Super weird to suggest Kingman Park (which is close to Benning Road) and then reject Trinidad for being too close to H Street (Trinidad is several blocks separated from H Street and also whatever issues H Street has had recently it's significantly safer and more gentrified than Benning).

Also I've watched as several places we had our eye on in Trinidad have gone for 900k-1.1m (outside our budget) in the last couple years even with the higher rates so I would actually argue Trinidad is on an upswing. Enough of one that we can no longer afford a SFH there and could only get a condo. So it seems like not a lot of people are writing Trinidad off due to its proximity to H.

is this to say properties in Trinidad will go for higher or sell for more than properties near H street Ne! For example houses on G and I street NE?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kingman Park streets 21/23 to Oklahoma specifically, generally don't have people standing around (Benning rd is another story, but it is its own world).

People say H St is declining so no to Trinidad, but also I feel like people who say H St is declining have literally no memory of H St 15-17 years ago before it improved. It remains to this day vastly different and vastly better, I went there when there was only 2-3 restaurants like Granville Moore's and some liquor stores. H St has constantly churned/replaced restaurants over 15 years but everyone freaks out about restaurant closings in the recent 2 years though it's nothing new.

The state of RFK remains the biggest question mark and, should something happen there, the biggest potential to cause growth in the adjacent neighborhood including across the river. However, nothing has happened yet in whatever 15-20 years of the city trying to get something to happen. Senator Steve Daines from Utah was the most recent GOP person to block development of that site in committee.

Super weird to suggest Kingman Park (which is close to Benning Road) and then reject Trinidad for being too close to H Street (Trinidad is several blocks separated from H Street and also whatever issues H Street has had recently it's significantly safer and more gentrified than Benning).

Also I've watched as several places we had our eye on in Trinidad have gone for 900k-1.1m (outside our budget) in the last couple years even with the higher rates so I would actually argue Trinidad is on an upswing. Enough of one that we can no longer afford a SFH there and could only get a condo. So it seems like not a lot of people are writing Trinidad off due to its proximity to H.

is this to say properties in Trinidad will go for higher or sell for more than properties near H street Ne! For example houses on G and I street NE?

If you are looking for appreciation then definitely anacostia/fairlawn or deadwood area. The huge appreciation point for Trinidad has gone by now.

[Anonymous]

Can't believe no one has suggested Penn Branch for EOTR. Hands down, my favorite neighborhood. So quiet, spacious lots, engaged community, and now with 2 restaurants within walking distance. This post has had a number of good recommendations, though, especially for ward 7 neighborhoods. I appreciate the change in tone from years past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kingman Park streets 21/23 to Oklahoma specifically, generally don't have people standing around (Benning rd is another story, but it is its own world).

People say H St is declining so no to Trinidad, but also I feel like people who say H St is declining have literally no memory of H St 15-17 years ago before it improved. It remains to this day vastly different and vastly better, I went there when there was only 2-3 restaurants like Granville Moore's and some liquor stores. H St has constantly churned/replaced restaurants over 15 years but everyone freaks out about restaurant closings in the recent 2 years though it's nothing new.

The state of RFK remains the biggest question mark and, should something happen there, the biggest potential to cause growth in the adjacent neighborhood including across the river. However, nothing has happened yet in whatever 15-20 years of the city trying to get something to happen. Senator Steve Daines from Utah was the most recent GOP person to block development of that site in committee.

Super weird to suggest Kingman Park (which is close to Benning Road) and then reject Trinidad for being too close to H Street (Trinidad is several blocks separated from H Street and also whatever issues H Street has had recently it's significantly safer and more gentrified than Benning).

Also I've watched as several places we had our eye on in Trinidad have gone for 900k-1.1m (outside our budget) in the last couple years even with the higher rates so I would actually argue Trinidad is on an upswing. Enough of one that we can no longer afford a SFH there and could only get a condo. So it seems like not a lot of people are writing Trinidad off due to its proximity to H.

is this to say properties in Trinidad will go for higher or sell for more than properties near H street Ne! For example houses on G and I street NE?

Depends on the house. Trinidad has larger lots than G or I street, so some houses might go for more but they also might be larger. I do think G and I street both suffer from proximity to H. Not because H is terrible but just because it's a commercial corridor-- noise, traffic, more loitering and other annoying behaviors. Trinidad is nice because it's almost entirely residential but super close to both H Street and Union Market. So you get the benefits of the neighborhood without having to share alleys with restaurants or deal as much traffic on streets and sidewalks.

But the parts of G street IB for Ludlow-Taylor will fetch a premium you won't see in Trinidad (or I street). G street will also be considered Capitol Hill which gets kind of an automatic bump. So there are both practical and psychological reasons that G street will be priced higher. Eye street doesn't have the great IB school or the caché of CH so I do think it is probably going for less than Trinidad at this point.