Crazy NYT article on the lab leak theory for COVID

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if it was leaked from a lab, what’s the world going to do? China is the embodiment of unethical behavior and has consistently shown it has very little value for human life. Do you want a war? You know kill more people for killing people? Additionally, if you thought the covid measures were drastic here; china’s were draconian. They had insane lockdowns.

A lab leak doesn’t mean it was intentional so I have no idea why you’d be jumping to talk of a war.
It’s this type of hyperbole in what should be a rational discussion of Covid origins that gets people frustrated.

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Anonymous wrote:Like so many things back then, it became a big issue because people HAD TO BE oppositional to Trump no matter how obvious the truth was.

Also see democrats refusing to fill up the SPR at rock bottom prices during Covid. An objectively smart decision that senate Dems stopped because Trump was for it.

I am still livid at Kamala suggesting the Covid vaccine was unsafe because it developed under Trump’s presidency. That is the most irresponsible comment I’ve ever seen a VP make and it won’t be memory holed.

That’s funny
Cause I’m still livid that Trump tried to kill Biden by knowingly concealing he had covid at the debates.
I’m also livid that Trump made a bunch of statements that he was going to force the vaccine to be released regardless of it was ready or not ( hence Kamala’s statement)
I’m also living that the Trump White House had ZERO plans to roll out the vaccine to the public.
Remember when Trump and all of his friends got covid from AMY Barret’s SCJ soirée and a few of the low rung maga dickheads died, but Trump and the higher ups hogged the new treatment and Trump told all the weaklings to suck it up and stop let the virus “dominate” them.
Fun times down memory lane…

Viruses are responsible for Covid, not people. To suggest Trump or anyone else deliberately tried to spread covid is disgusting. I thought we had all moved past the moralistic “you’re killing grandma” condemnations of the pandemic era but maybe you’re still stuck in it. News flash: Covid doesn’t care what political party you are. It’s a virus. It spreads.

Good thing Trump launched operation warp speed (to the ridicule of the media and liberals at the time).

wow this is rich

Trump knew he had covid and went to the debate anyway

this is fact

No he didn’t, he and Meadows thought it was a false positive. Stop repeating partisan lies.

“Meadows says the positive test had been done with an old model kit. He told Trump the test would be repeated with “the Binax system, and that we were hoping the first test was a false positive”.
After “a brief but tense wait”, Meadows called back with news of the negative test. He could “almost hear the collective ‘Thank God’ that echoed through the cabin”, he writes.“

Mark Meadows burned evidence in his fireplace. He is a liar and traitor.
Trump knew he was sick. Ask Chris Christie, who he almost killed.

Trump trusted a negative test result.

Kamala pushed anti vaccine hysteria when it was most critical for leadership to make a stand.

Trump planned and attempted a coup instead of planning to get the vaccine to Americans.

Operation ward speed got the virus out to Americans on a timetable liberals had insisted was unrealistic. Your memory seems very hazy!

No dumbass.
Operation warp speed did not get shots in arms. Trump instructed his people not to assist with the Biden transition team. He sat in his office whining, and dialed officials in Georgia trying to “find” extra votes. That’s what he was doing in fall of 2020.
No one in his administration was working the daunting task of the logistics of getting a 100 million shots in arms.
So the American people lost precious time. It took longer to get back to normal because Trump is incompetent, incapable, and selfish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why it mattered AT THE TIME?
How would knowing how the virus appeared help Americans in spring of 2020?
How was that a good use of time and resources?

We wouldn’t have wasted precious public health resources trying to find an animal reservoir that didn’t exist, we would have substantial international pressure against China who at the time was blocking WHO and other independent investigators from accessing the lab, and more importantly we wouldn’t have had so much damage in trust for the public health and government institutions who were shutting down debate about this despite the obvious signs. People aren’t stupid and suspected a lab leak from the beginning but the way the health experts were reflexively saying it was a conspiracy theory was extremely damaging to the public trust.

Yes, it matters. Even now.

So… it really didn’t matter then. Cause I’m not asking why it matters NOW.
Like it didn’t matter on treatment?
Didn’t matter for testing?
Had nothing to do with social distancing?
Did it help us procure PPE?
We lost our leverage with China when we dismissed our own in country pandemic response team. Not seeing how immediately jumping to the conclusion of a lab leak was going to help us access anything. In fact it did just the opposite. China did what China does.
It would have been smart to continue doing what the US had been doing since W Bush and take the threat of a possible pandemic out of China seriously: because China gonna China.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like so many things back then, it became a big issue because people HAD TO BE oppositional to Trump no matter how obvious the truth was.

Also see democrats refusing to fill up the SPR at rock bottom prices during Covid. An objectively smart decision that senate Dems stopped because Trump was for it.

I am still livid at Kamala suggesting the Covid vaccine was unsafe because it developed under Trump’s presidency. That is the most irresponsible comment I’ve ever seen a VP make and it won’t be memory holed.

That’s funny
Cause I’m still livid that Trump tried to kill Biden by knowingly concealing he had covid at the debates.
I’m also livid that Trump made a bunch of statements that he was going to force the vaccine to be released regardless of it was ready or not ( hence Kamala’s statement)
I’m also living that the Trump White House had ZERO plans to roll out the vaccine to the public.
Remember when Trump and all of his friends got covid from AMY Barret’s SCJ soirée and a few of the low rung maga dickheads died, but Trump and the higher ups hogged the new treatment and Trump told all the weaklings to suck it up and stop let the virus “dominate” them.
Fun times down memory lane…

Viruses are responsible for Covid, not people. To suggest Trump or anyone else deliberately tried to spread covid is disgusting. I thought we had all moved past the moralistic “you’re killing grandma” condemnations of the pandemic era but maybe you’re still stuck in it. News flash: Covid doesn’t care what political party you are. It’s a virus. It spreads.

Good thing Trump launched operation warp speed (to the ridicule of the media and liberals at the time).

wow this is rich

Trump knew he had covid and went to the debate anyway

this is fact

No he didn’t, he and Meadows thought it was a false positive. Stop repeating partisan lies.

“Meadows says the positive test had been done with an old model kit. He told Trump the test would be repeated with “the Binax system, and that we were hoping the first test was a false positive”.
After “a brief but tense wait”, Meadows called back with news of the negative test. He could “almost hear the collective ‘Thank God’ that echoed through the cabin”, he writes.“

Mark Meadows burned evidence in his fireplace. He is a liar and traitor.
Trump knew he was sick. Ask Chris Christie, who he almost killed.

Trump trusted a negative test result.

Kamala pushed anti vaccine hysteria when it was most critical for leadership to make a stand.

Trump planned and attempted a coup instead of planning to get the vaccine to Americans.

Operation ward speed got the virus out to Americans on a timetable liberals had insisted was unrealistic. Your memory seems very hazy!

No dumbass.
Operation warp speed did not get shots in arms. Trump instructed his people not to assist with the Biden transition team. He sat in his office whining, and dialed officials in Georgia trying to “find” extra votes. That’s what he was doing in fall of 2020.
No one in his administration was working the daunting task of the logistics of getting a 100 million shots in arms.
So the American people lost precious time. It took longer to get back to normal because Trump is incompetent, incapable, and selfish.

Again your history is off, and your attempt to skew it with name calling won’t work. Operation warp speed was announced May 15, 2020 with the goal of getting shots by the end of the year. The liberal establishment laughed and said it was not going to happen, the NYT going so far as to suggest Trump was “disregarding safety” with such a goal, and yet the vaccine because available in December 2020 with vaccines beginning the 14th. That rapid timeline was a huge public health accomplishment.

Here’s ABC News:

Also, Biden's playbook for vaccine distribution has relied heavily on a system created by the Trump administration, including federal partnerships with state officials and agreements with local pharmacies. In fact, the federal pharmacy program created by Trump aides is what Biden relied on last week to expand eligibility to teachers.

And when Biden called for "100 million shots in 100 days" -- a pace of about 1 million shots per day -- former health officials noted that the U.S. had already hit that pace the week of Biden's inauguration in mid January.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why it mattered AT THE TIME?
How would knowing how the virus appeared help Americans in spring of 2020?
How was that a good use of time and resources?

We wouldn’t have wasted precious public health resources trying to find an animal reservoir that didn’t exist, we would have substantial international pressure against China who at the time was blocking WHO and other independent investigators from accessing the lab, and more importantly we wouldn’t have had so much damage in trust for the public health and government institutions who were shutting down debate about this despite the obvious signs. People aren’t stupid and suspected a lab leak from the beginning but the way the health experts were reflexively saying it was a conspiracy theory was extremely damaging to the public trust.

Yes, it matters. Even now.

So… it really didn’t matter then. Cause I’m not asking why it matters NOW.
Like it didn’t matter on treatment?
Didn’t matter for testing?
Had nothing to do with social distancing?
Did it help us procure PPE?
We lost our leverage with China when we dismissed our own in country pandemic response team. Not seeing how immediately jumping to the conclusion of a lab leak was going to help us access anything. In fact it did just the opposite. China did what China does.
It would have been smart to continue doing what the US had been doing since W Bush and take the threat of a possible pandemic out of China seriously: because China gonna China.

What part of spending, maintaining public trust and governmental pressure and relations at the time did you not understand from my post?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why it mattered AT THE TIME?
How would knowing how the virus appeared help Americans in spring of 2020?
How was that a good use of time and resources?

We wouldn’t have wasted precious public health resources trying to find an animal reservoir that didn’t exist, we would have substantial international pressure against China who at the time was blocking WHO and other independent investigators from accessing the lab, and more importantly we wouldn’t have had so much damage in trust for the public health and government institutions who were shutting down debate about this despite the obvious signs. People aren’t stupid and suspected a lab leak from the beginning but the way the health experts were reflexively saying it was a conspiracy theory was extremely damaging to the public trust.

Yes, it matters. Even now.

So… it really didn’t matter then. Cause I’m not asking why it matters NOW.
Like it didn’t matter on treatment?
Didn’t matter for testing?
Had nothing to do with social distancing?
Did it help us procure PPE?
We lost our leverage with China when we dismissed our own in country pandemic response team. Not seeing how immediately jumping to the conclusion of a lab leak was going to help us access anything. In fact it did just the opposite. China did what China does.
It would have been smart to continue doing what the US had been doing since W Bush and take the threat of a possible pandemic out of China seriously: because China gonna China.

Curious how well you are keeping up with the news when you comment about things like social distancing. For example Fauci admitted just this week that the six foot rule had no basis in science. Read Dan Diamond in the WP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like so many things back then, it became a big issue because people HAD TO BE oppositional to Trump no matter how obvious the truth was.

Also see democrats refusing to fill up the SPR at rock bottom prices during Covid. An objectively smart decision that senate Dems stopped because Trump was for it.

I am still livid at Kamala suggesting the Covid vaccine was unsafe because it developed under Trump’s presidency. That is the most irresponsible comment I’ve ever seen a VP make and it won’t be memory holed.

That’s funny
Cause I’m still livid that Trump tried to kill Biden by knowingly concealing he had covid at the debates.
I’m also livid that Trump made a bunch of statements that he was going to force the vaccine to be released regardless of it was ready or not ( hence Kamala’s statement)
I’m also living that the Trump White House had ZERO plans to roll out the vaccine to the public.
Remember when Trump and all of his friends got covid from AMY Barret’s SCJ soirée and a few of the low rung maga dickheads died, but Trump and the higher ups hogged the new treatment and Trump told all the weaklings to suck it up and stop let the virus “dominate” them.
Fun times down memory lane…

Viruses are responsible for Covid, not people. To suggest Trump or anyone else deliberately tried to spread covid is disgusting. I thought we had all moved past the moralistic “you’re killing grandma” condemnations of the pandemic era but maybe you’re still stuck in it. News flash: Covid doesn’t care what political party you are. It’s a virus. It spreads.

Good thing Trump launched operation warp speed (to the ridicule of the media and liberals at the time).

wow this is rich

Trump knew he had covid and went to the debate anyway

this is fact

No he didn’t, he and Meadows thought it was a false positive. Stop repeating partisan lies.

“Meadows says the positive test had been done with an old model kit. He told Trump the test would be repeated with “the Binax system, and that we were hoping the first test was a false positive”.
After “a brief but tense wait”, Meadows called back with news of the negative test. He could “almost hear the collective ‘Thank God’ that echoed through the cabin”, he writes.“

Mark Meadows burned evidence in his fireplace. He is a liar and traitor.
Trump knew he was sick. Ask Chris Christie, who he almost killed.

Trump trusted a negative test result.

Kamala pushed anti vaccine hysteria when it was most critical for leadership to make a stand.

Trump planned and attempted a coup instead of planning to get the vaccine to Americans.

Operation ward speed got the virus out to Americans on a timetable liberals had insisted was unrealistic. Your memory seems very hazy!

No dumbass.
Operation warp speed did not get shots in arms. Trump instructed his people not to assist with the Biden transition team. He sat in his office whining, and dialed officials in Georgia trying to “find” extra votes. That’s what he was doing in fall of 2020.
No one in his administration was working the daunting task of the logistics of getting a 100 million shots in arms.
So the American people lost precious time. It took longer to get back to normal because Trump is incompetent, incapable, and selfish.

Again your history is off, and your attempt to skew it with name calling won’t work. Operation warp speed was announced May 15, 2020 with the goal of getting shots by the end of the year. The liberal establishment laughed and said it was not going to happen, the NYT going so far as to suggest Trump was “disregarding safety” with such a goal, and yet the vaccine because available in December 2020 with vaccines beginning the 14th. That rapid timeline was a huge public health accomplishment.

Here’s ABC News:

Also, Biden's playbook for vaccine distribution has relied heavily on a system created by the Trump administration, including federal partnerships with state officials and agreements with local pharmacies. In fact, the federal pharmacy program created by Trump aides is what Biden relied on last week to expand eligibility to teachers.

And when Biden called for "100 million shots in 100 days" -- a pace of about 1 million shots per day -- former health officials noted that the U.S. had already hit that pace the week of Biden's inauguration in mid January.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN29T0FB/
^ article where Klain says there was no plan when they came into the White House


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/27/ron-klain/trump-vaccine-plan-left-logistics-states-it-did-ex/

^ but politifact says the “mostly false”. So Trump did have a “very tremendously strong plan “ to actually got us our shots.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/31/trump-officials-lobbied-to-deny-states-money-for-vaccine-rollout/

^ oh wait. The “plan” is just like every other Trump WH plan and it’s just a bunch of let the states handle it…. BUT then the Trump White House actively lobbied congress AGAINST funding to help the states do just that.

Trump didn’t/ doesn’t understand the job of the president or the federal government.
I don’t know about you, but I didn’t my first shots at a local pharmacy. I went down to the city center in my Midwest state and FEMA (with the help of the military) gave me my shot. Along with 10,000’s of my neighbors.
Thanks Biden!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why it mattered AT THE TIME?
How would knowing how the virus appeared help Americans in spring of 2020?
How was that a good use of time and resources?

We wouldn’t have wasted precious public health resources trying to find an animal reservoir that didn’t exist, we would have substantial international pressure against China who at the time was blocking WHO and other independent investigators from accessing the lab, and more importantly we wouldn’t have had so much damage in trust for the public health and government institutions who were shutting down debate about this despite the obvious signs. People aren’t stupid and suspected a lab leak from the beginning but the way the health experts were reflexively saying it was a conspiracy theory was extremely damaging to the public trust.

Yes, it matters. Even now.

So… it really didn’t matter then. Cause I’m not asking why it matters NOW.
Like it didn’t matter on treatment?
Didn’t matter for testing?
Had nothing to do with social distancing?
Did it help us procure PPE?
We lost our leverage with China when we dismissed our own in country pandemic response team. Not seeing how immediately jumping to the conclusion of a lab leak was going to help us access anything. In fact it did just the opposite. China did what China does.
It would have been smart to continue doing what the US had been doing since W Bush and take the threat of a possible pandemic out of China seriously: because China gonna China.

Curious how well you are keeping up with the news when you comment about things like social distancing. For example Fauci admitted just this week that the six foot rule had no basis in science. Read Dan Diamond in the WP.

Curious how shrieking about a lab leak would have a changed the calculus for social distancing at the beginning of the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters how it arrived and it’s just gaslighting by liberals to suggest otherwise.

What’s the gaslighting? People predicting “lab leak China virus!!!” in 2020 were throwing sh#t at the wall like monkeys, based on no hard evidence.

Yeah, surmising that there’s a possibility that it leaked from a viriology lab in the same town is throwing stuff at the wall lol. What a joke.

Yes, that’s from mid 2022….not 2020 when loons were saying “China virus!!!” and attacking Asian grannies on the street corner.

Who was attacking Asian grannies on the street corner? Not Trump voters.

And what would holding China accountable through the lab leak theory have to do with attacking Asian grannies? Do you think it inspired less racism to imply that the virus spread at a market where Asian people ate bats?! That is a much more problematic theory.

[Anonymous]

It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters how it arrived and it’s just gaslighting by liberals to suggest otherwise.

What’s the gaslighting? People predicting “lab leak China virus!!!” in 2020 were throwing sh#t at the wall like monkeys, based on no hard evidence.

It’s wild that idiots like you haven’t fallen victim to Darwinism. To quote Colbert: “Oh, my God, there’s been an outbreak of chocolaty goodness near Hershey, Pa. What do you think happened?’ “‘Oh I don’t know, maybe a steam shovel mated with a cocoa bean?’ Or maybe it’s the f***** chocolate factory!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters how it arrived and it’s just gaslighting by liberals to suggest otherwise.

What’s the gaslighting? People predicting “lab leak China virus!!!” in 2020 were throwing sh#t at the wall like monkeys, based on no hard evidence.

Yeah, surmising that there’s a possibility that it leaked from a viriology lab in the same town is throwing stuff at the wall lol. What a joke.

Yes, that’s from mid 2022….not 2020 when loons were saying “China virus!!!” and attacking Asian grannies on the street corner.

Who was attacking Asian grannies on the street corner? Not Trump voters.

And what would holding China accountable through the lab leak theory have to do with attacking Asian grannies? Do you think it inspired less racism to imply that the virus spread at a market where Asian people ate bats?! That is a much more problematic theory.

Dp- does it matter who was attacking Asian people? Really?
Speculating re: China at that time served one purpose; to distract the public of the terrible White House response.
Thats it.
It also had the added bonus of endangering the lives and safety of Asian Americans, but of of course MAGA did GAF about that.
Because as stated upthread : half the country are selfish aholes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why it mattered AT THE TIME?
How would knowing how the virus appeared help Americans in spring of 2020?
How was that a good use of time and resources?

We wouldn’t have wasted precious public health resources trying to find an animal reservoir that didn’t exist, we would have substantial international pressure against China who at the time was blocking WHO and other independent investigators from accessing the lab, and more importantly we wouldn’t have had so much damage in trust for the public health and government institutions who were shutting down debate about this despite the obvious signs. People aren’t stupid and suspected a lab leak from the beginning but the way the health experts were reflexively saying it was a conspiracy theory was extremely damaging to the public trust.

Yes, it matters. Even now.

So… it really didn’t matter then. Cause I’m not asking why it matters NOW.
Like it didn’t matter on treatment?
Didn’t matter for testing?
Had nothing to do with social distancing?
Did it help us procure PPE?
We lost our leverage with China when we dismissed our own in country pandemic response team. Not seeing how immediately jumping to the conclusion of a lab leak was going to help us access anything. In fact it did just the opposite. China did what China does.
It would have been smart to continue doing what the US had been doing since W Bush and take the threat of a possible pandemic out of China seriously: because China gonna China.

Curious how well you are keeping up with the news when you comment about things like social distancing. For example Fauci admitted just this week that the six foot rule had no basis in science. Read Dan Diamond in the WP.

Curious how shrieking about a lab leak would have a changed the calculus for social distancing at the beginning of the pandemic.

Something something tyranny!, but it sure felt good at the time to yell “China virus!” at Asian-American kids and beat up their grannies while walking down the sidewalk!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

Please explain how speculating on the origins of the virus helped Americans in spring of 2020.
Did if affect developing treatments?
Did it help us getting a handle on testing and tracing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters how it arrived and it’s just gaslighting by liberals to suggest otherwise.

What’s the gaslighting? People predicting “lab leak China virus!!!” in 2020 were throwing sh#t at the wall like monkeys, based on no hard evidence.

It’s wild that idiots like you haven’t fallen victim to Darwinism. To quote Colbert: “Oh, my God, there’s been an outbreak of chocolaty goodness near Hershey, Pa. What do you think happened?’ “‘Oh I don’t know, maybe a steam shovel mated with a cocoa bean?’ Or maybe it’s the f***** chocolate factory!”

Yes, I am alive and well. As is my family because we took precautions to avoid COVID infection until we could get a vaccine dose. My spouse has MS - an immune system disorder - and no one knew what would happen in 2020 if she got infected. It was the Wild West.

I know of at least a dozen people via friends & family who died of COVID because they didn’t want to get vaccinated or ignored social distancing/mask requirements prior to the introduction of vaccines. They made their choice and had to live (or die?) with the Darwinian consequences.

It’s comical that you toss out the “Darwinian” quip when we are still alive and people who were purposely wreckless ended up dying in mass after 2021 lol