Crazy NYT article on the lab leak theory for COVID

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Anonymous wrote:Like so many things back then, it became a big issue because people HAD TO BE oppositional to Trump no matter how obvious the truth was.

Also see democrats refusing to fill up the SPR at rock bottom prices during Covid. An objectively smart decision that senate Dems stopped because Trump was for it.

I am still livid at Kamala suggesting the Covid vaccine was unsafe because it developed under Trump’s presidency. That is the most irresponsible comment I’ve ever seen a VP make and it won’t be memory holed.

That’s funny
Cause I’m still livid that Trump tried to kill Biden by knowingly concealing he had covid at the debates.
I’m also livid that Trump made a bunch of statements that he was going to force the vaccine to be released regardless of it was ready or not ( hence Kamala’s statement)
I’m also living that the Trump White House had ZERO plans to roll out the vaccine to the public.
Remember when Trump and all of his friends got covid from AMY Barret’s SCJ soirée and a few of the low rung maga dickheads died, but Trump and the higher ups hogged the new treatment and Trump told all the weaklings to suck it up and stop let the virus “dominate” them.
Fun times down memory lane…

Viruses are responsible for Covid, not people. To suggest Trump or anyone else deliberately tried to spread covid is disgusting. I thought we had all moved past the moralistic “you’re killing grandma” condemnations of the pandemic era but maybe you’re still stuck in it. News flash: Covid doesn’t care what political party you are. It’s a virus. It spreads.

Good thing Trump launched operation warp speed (to the ridicule of the media and liberals at the time).

wow this is rich

Trump knew he had covid and went to the debate anyway

this is fact

No he didn’t, he and Meadows thought it was a false positive. Stop repeating partisan lies.

“Meadows says the positive test had been done with an old model kit. He told Trump the test would be repeated with “the Binax system, and that we were hoping the first test was a false positive”.
After “a brief but tense wait”, Meadows called back with news of the negative test. He could “almost hear the collective ‘Thank God’ that echoed through the cabin”, he writes.“

Mark Meadows burned evidence in his fireplace. He is a liar and traitor.
Trump knew he was sick. Ask Chris Christie, who he almost killed.

Trump trusted a negative test result.

Kamala pushed anti vaccine hysteria when it was most critical for leadership to make a stand.

Trump planned and attempted a coup instead of planning to get the vaccine to Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters how it arrived and it’s just gaslighting by liberals to suggest otherwise.

What’s the gaslighting? People predicting “lab leak China virus!!!” in 2020 were throwing sh#t at the wall like monkeys, based on no hard evidence.

PP to mine. Suggesting that it “doesn’t matter” how the virus arrived. Of course it does! Millions died!

No hard evidence? The laboratory doing the research was in the exact same vicinity to where the virus first appeared. That wasn’t some random guess nor was it rocket science. “The year before the outbreak, the Wuhan institute, working with U.S. partners, had proposed creating viruses with SARS‑CoV‑2’s defining feature” - NYT. Read Alina Chan’s just published essay.

Where was the evidence for a naturally occurring virus? No animal reservoir was found months and months of looking.

Yes, I did read the article - it’s excellent. But at the time, there was no hard evidence of a lab leak. You had multiple strands of circumstantial evidence - location of Wuhan lab but also wet market being an epicenter of contagion - that supported multiple theories.

But Chan’s article has the benefit of 4+ years of distance, investigation, and research. In April 2020, you had no hard evidence of lab leak. That’s a fact. And it really wouldn’t have mattered at the time - we were all scrambling and folks were dying.

You and I would’ve done nothing differently had we known it was a lab leak. It really doesn’t matter, other than it makes some people feel happy to gloat.

We aren’t saying we had all the evidence of a lab leak at the time, but every suggestion of a lab leak was viciously shut down. It was treated as xenophobia, a conspiracy theory, the theory that should not be named. That isn’t science. Science is open minded and follows the evidence. The elite public health bureaucracy colluded with the media to shut down all investigations of a lab leak. To deny this is to ignore history - we all lived it and know exactly what happened.

I disagree that things wouldn’t have been done differently if we had known it was a lab leak. Our relationship with China would have been profoundly different and perhaps more assertiveness from the beginning would have led to political pressure for documentation and lab notes before it was all destroyed.

Maybe if people who wanted us to take them seriously about this had previously behaved in professional, ethical ways, more people would have taken them seriously. But it was yahoos like Jim Jordan and Tom Cotton saying it and they are like the boy who cried wolf.

But also… what does it matter? Do you think China is going to forgive all our loans because they accidentally harmed us?

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Some of us were pretty sure on day one that it was a lab leak. It was very instructive to see all the verbal gymnastics and outright lies from formerly respectable institutions trying to convince us otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us were pretty sure on day one that it was a lab leak. It was very instructive to see all the verbal gymnastics and outright lies from formerly respectable institutions trying to convince us otherwise.

Institutions make decisions based on evidence, not their gut. You had zero evidence to think it was from a lab “on day one.”

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us were pretty sure on day one that it was a lab leak. It was very instructive to see all the verbal gymnastics and outright lies from formerly respectable institutions trying to convince us otherwise.

Institutions make decisions based on evidence, not their gut. You had zero evidence to think it was from a lab “on day one.”

It came from Wuhan. Home of…well we all know what is there.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us were pretty sure on day one that it was a lab leak. It was very instructive to see all the verbal gymnastics and outright lies from formerly respectable institutions trying to convince us otherwise.

Institutions make decisions based on evidence, not their gut. You had zero evidence to think it was from a lab “on day one.”

It came from Wuhan. Home of…well we all know what is there.

Let me see your business card.

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Can someone explain to me why it mattered AT THE TIME?
How would knowing how the virus appeared help Americans in spring of 2020?
How was that a good use of time and resources?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why it mattered AT THE TIME?
How would knowing how the virus appeared help Americans in spring of 2020?
How was that a good use of time and resources?

It wouldn’t have mattered and there was no way to know that soon. Republicans don’t like to wait for investigations though. They like to hurry up and be outraged because Tom Cotton said so.

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Don't get me started on the shit US has done wrong, badly and should be ashamed for. Shit happens. I think the more important value here is lessons learned. I don't think the YS handled the epidemic well in many ways. Maybe we start there and fix our own problems first before screaming bloody murder about something that's already done and was never within our control.

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Shocking, Fauci funneled money to an incompetent lab, to conduct gain of function research, so he could test out his pet theory that vaccines are the most important thing in medicine. What could possibly have gone wrong. Lab failed, Fauci failed.

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So if it was leaked from a lab, what’s the world going to do? China is the embodiment of unethical behavior and has consistently shown it has very little value for human life. Do you want a war? You know kill more people for killing people? Additionally, if you thought the covid measures were drastic here; china’s were draconian. They had insane lockdowns.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why it mattered AT THE TIME?
How would knowing how the virus appeared help Americans in spring of 2020?
How was that a good use of time and resources?

There were a bunch of people devoted to pushing a narrative that nothing was Trump’s fault, while at the time Trump’s main priority was to stop testing for Covid so he could say that it was going away on its own and he didn’t need to do anything about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Like so many things back then, it became a big issue because people HAD TO BE oppositional to Trump no matter how obvious the truth was.

Also see democrats refusing to fill up the SPR at rock bottom prices during Covid. An objectively smart decision that senate Dems stopped because Trump was for it.

I am still livid at Kamala suggesting the Covid vaccine was unsafe because it developed under Trump’s presidency. That is the most irresponsible comment I’ve ever seen a VP make and it won’t be memory holed.

That’s funny
Cause I’m still livid that Trump tried to kill Biden by knowingly concealing he had covid at the debates.
I’m also livid that Trump made a bunch of statements that he was going to force the vaccine to be released regardless of it was ready or not ( hence Kamala’s statement)
I’m also living that the Trump White House had ZERO plans to roll out the vaccine to the public.
Remember when Trump and all of his friends got covid from AMY Barret’s SCJ soirée and a few of the low rung maga dickheads died, but Trump and the higher ups hogged the new treatment and Trump told all the weaklings to suck it up and stop let the virus “dominate” them.
Fun times down memory lane…

Viruses are responsible for Covid, not people. To suggest Trump or anyone else deliberately tried to spread covid is disgusting. I thought we had all moved past the moralistic “you’re killing grandma” condemnations of the pandemic era but maybe you’re still stuck in it. News flash: Covid doesn’t care what political party you are. It’s a virus. It spreads.

Good thing Trump launched operation warp speed (to the ridicule of the media and liberals at the time).

wow this is rich

Trump knew he had covid and went to the debate anyway

this is fact

No he didn’t, he and Meadows thought it was a false positive. Stop repeating partisan lies.

“Meadows says the positive test had been done with an old model kit. He told Trump the test would be repeated with “the Binax system, and that we were hoping the first test was a false positive”.
After “a brief but tense wait”, Meadows called back with news of the negative test. He could “almost hear the collective ‘Thank God’ that echoed through the cabin”, he writes.“

Mark Meadows burned evidence in his fireplace. He is a liar and traitor.
Trump knew he was sick. Ask Chris Christie, who he almost killed.

Trump trusted a negative test result.

Kamala pushed anti vaccine hysteria when it was most critical for leadership to make a stand.

Trump planned and attempted a coup instead of planning to get the vaccine to Americans.

Operation ward speed got the virus out to Americans on a timetable liberals had insisted was unrealistic. Your memory seems very hazy!

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me why it mattered AT THE TIME?
How would knowing how the virus appeared help Americans in spring of 2020?
How was that a good use of time and resources?

We wouldn’t have wasted precious public health resources trying to find an animal reservoir that didn’t exist, we would have substantial international pressure against China who at the time was blocking WHO and other independent investigators from accessing the lab, and more importantly we wouldn’t have had so much damage in trust for the public health and government institutions who were shutting down debate about this despite the obvious signs. People aren’t stupid and suspected a lab leak from the beginning but the way the health experts were reflexively saying it was a conspiracy theory was extremely damaging to the public trust.

Yes, it matters. Even now.