Crazy NYT article on the lab leak theory for COVID

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters how it arrived and it’s just gaslighting by liberals to suggest otherwise.

What’s the gaslighting? People predicting “lab leak China virus!!!” in 2020 were throwing sh#t at the wall like monkeys, based on no hard evidence.

It’s wild that idiots like you haven’t fallen victim to Darwinism. To quote Colbert: “Oh, my God, there’s been an outbreak of chocolaty goodness near Hershey, Pa. What do you think happened?’ “‘Oh I don’t know, maybe a steam shovel mated with a cocoa bean?’ Or maybe it’s the f***** chocolate factory!”

That’s funny but it’s simplifying the issue. Now imagine if it was possible for a shovel to mate with a cocoa bean and there was evidence for it but no evidence of a leak. And Hershey hated America and we owed them more money than we have and they could demand it at any time and they had both physical and cyber weapons.

Just because it was a logical and easy assumption doesn’t mean it made sense to rile up hate for China over unproven theories.

[Anonymous]

NP... Weird that the MAGAs are shrieking about "lab leak" when they said COVID was a hoax to begin with and was no worse than an ordinary cold or flu.

Make up your minds. Are you now admitting you were lying when you called it a hoax and when you said it was no worse than an ordinary cold or flu?

Or do you still believe COVID was a hoax or no big deal? And if you still believe it was no big deal then what does it matter where it came from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

Please explain how speculating on the origins of the virus helped Americans in spring of 2020.
Did if affect developing treatments?
Did it help us getting a handle on testing and tracing?

China accidentally drops a nuke on a US city killing 1,000,000 Americans. Please tell me why knowing the origin of whom accidentally dropped the nuke matters and why it'd be of any relevance during the aftermath of the destruction?


Your logic is truly absurd. At a minimum, if China conducted high risk research with way to lax oversight (e.g..doing this kind of research on a BSL2 lab), there are many actions the world can take. For example, maybe scientific journals should blacklist all Chinese research going forward from publication. Perhaps sanctions can be put into place on all scientific equipment and supplies manufactured from other countries that are trying to be sold in China. There SHOULD be consequences for gross negligence that leads to 25,000,000 deaths.

The craziest part is that this isn't even the first time a virus has leaked from a state run virology lab in China. The original SARS virus also escaped one of their labs a long time ago and infected people. How many millions of deaths and trillions of dollars in blown up economies should the world tolerate until it concludes that China cannot be trusted with things like risky viral research?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP... Weird that the MAGAs are shrieking about "lab leak" when they said COVID was a hoax to begin with and was no worse than an ordinary cold or flu.

Make up your minds. Are you now admitting you were lying when you called it a hoax and when you said it was no worse than an ordinary cold or flu?

Or do you still believe COVID was a hoax or no big deal? And if you still believe it was no big deal then what does it matter where it came from?

lol great points

They are only dragging this out now because Biden impeachment went nowhere and Biden is about to shut the border to migrants.

It’s an election year and they want to blame Biden for COVID. They want to rile up all the Covidiots again in an election year. They are like Pavlov’s dog - just mention “mask” or “Fauci” or “Wuhan” and they start foaming at the mouth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

Please explain how speculating on the origins of the virus helped Americans in spring of 2020.
Did if affect developing treatments?
Did it help us getting a handle on testing and tracing?

China accidentally drops a nuke on a US city killing 1,000,000 Americans. Please tell me why knowing the origin of whom accidentally dropped the nuke matters and why it'd be of any relevance during the aftermath of the destruction?


Your logic is truly absurd. At a minimum, if China conducted high risk research with way to lax oversight (e.g..doing this kind of research on a BSL2 lab), there are many actions the world can take. For example, maybe scientific journals should blacklist all Chinese research going forward from publication. Perhaps sanctions can be put into place on all scientific equipment and supplies manufactured from other countries that are trying to be sold in China. There SHOULD be consequences for gross negligence that leads to 25,000,000 deaths.

The craziest part is that this isn't even the first time a virus has leaked from a state run virology lab in China. The original SARS virus also escaped one of their labs a long time ago and infected people. How many millions of deaths and trillions of dollars in blown up economies should the world tolerate until it concludes that China cannot be trusted with things like risky viral research?

None of what you write matters in 2020. China didn’t drop a nuke. China is still conducting sketchy research right now.

China gonna China.

All we can do is make sure we are prepared for everything, instead of running around and trying to pin blame on others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

Please explain how speculating on the origins of the virus helped Americans in spring of 2020.
Did if affect developing treatments?
Did it help us getting a handle on testing and tracing?

China accidentally drops a nuke on a US city killing 1,000,000 Americans. Please tell me why knowing the origin of whom accidentally dropped the nuke matters and why it'd be of any relevance during the aftermath of the destruction?


Your logic is truly absurd. At a minimum, if China conducted high risk research with way to lax oversight (e.g..doing this kind of research on a BSL2 lab), there are many actions the world can take. For example, maybe scientific journals should blacklist all Chinese research going forward from publication. Perhaps sanctions can be put into place on all scientific equipment and supplies manufactured from other countries that are trying to be sold in China. There SHOULD be consequences for gross negligence that leads to 25,000,000 deaths.

The craziest part is that this isn't even the first time a virus has leaked from a state run virology lab in China. The original SARS virus also escaped one of their labs a long time ago and infected people. How many millions of deaths and trillions of dollars in blown up economies should the world tolerate until it concludes that China cannot be trusted with things like risky viral research?

So you did want war?

Please go find that Oct 2019 NYT article about the labs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a liberal but never said that. I said who cares if it’s from a lab or a wet market? Neither can make me think any less of China. There’s a million reasons to reprimand China. Uyghurs? Child labor? Forced labor? IP theft? The list is soooooo long! I guess we overlook everything because pandas.

+1

[Anonymous]

Reading this thread is like reading something on the chans from four years ago. Turns out education, prestigious jobs, and high incomes delay information uptake by about four years, fascinating!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters how it arrived and it’s just gaslighting by liberals to suggest otherwise.

When were people you categorize as "liberals" gaslighting in regards to this matter? How can you RWNJs and LWNJs turn everything into an "us" vs "them" issue? This ignorance is getting old to the normal people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

Please explain how speculating on the origins of the virus helped Americans in spring of 2020.
Did if affect developing treatments?
Did it help us getting a handle on testing and tracing?

China accidentally drops a nuke on a US city killing 1,000,000 Americans. Please tell me why knowing the origin of whom accidentally dropped the nuke matters and why it'd be of any relevance during the aftermath of the destruction?


Your logic is truly absurd. At a minimum, if China conducted high risk research with way to lax oversight (e.g..doing this kind of research on a BSL2 lab), there are many actions the world can take. For example, maybe scientific journals should blacklist all Chinese research going forward from publication. Perhaps sanctions can be put into place on all scientific equipment and supplies manufactured from other countries that are trying to be sold in China. There SHOULD be consequences for gross negligence that leads to 25,000,000 deaths.

The craziest part is that this isn't even the first time a virus has leaked from a state run virology lab in China. The original SARS virus also escaped one of their labs a long time ago and infected people. How many millions of deaths and trillions of dollars in blown up economies should the world tolerate until it concludes that China cannot be trusted with things like risky viral research?

Because it didn't just affect the U.S., moron. Millions of Chinese people were killed too so your analogy doesn't hold. A better analogy would be China intentionally setting off nukes in China and allowing the nuclear radiation to float over the U.S.

If it was lax oversight, then let's tighten it procedures so this doesn't happen again. Let's also prefund research into vaccines from the next most likely viruses to jump to humans as well as the manufacturing capacity to scale these things up. And Democrats pushed back on the initial story because of the myriad of lies and conspiracy theories surrounding COVID and the Trump administration. He had no credibility because of this and also because he was pushing scapegoating Asian people as well as "blue cities" instead of dealing with the fallout. If Trump had been consistently honest and truthful, I think the reaction would've been much different. Oh, and if he had just let the experts do their job, he'd probably still be President.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

Please explain how speculating on the origins of the virus helped Americans in spring of 2020.
Did if affect developing treatments?
Did it help us getting a handle on testing and tracing?

China accidentally drops a nuke on a US city killing 1,000,000 Americans. Please tell me why knowing the origin of whom accidentally dropped the nuke matters and why it'd be of any relevance during the aftermath of the destruction?


Your logic is truly absurd. At a minimum, if China conducted high risk research with way to lax oversight (e.g..doing this kind of research on a BSL2 lab), there are many actions the world can take. For example, maybe scientific journals should blacklist all Chinese research going forward from publication. Perhaps sanctions can be put into place on all scientific equipment and supplies manufactured from other countries that are trying to be sold in China. There SHOULD be consequences for gross negligence that leads to 25,000,000 deaths.

The craziest part is that this isn't even the first time a virus has leaked from a state run virology lab in China. The original SARS virus also escaped one of their labs a long time ago and infected people. How many millions of deaths and trillions of dollars in blown up economies should the world tolerate until it concludes that China cannot be trusted with things like risky viral research?

None of what you write matters in 2020. China didn’t drop a nuke. China is still conducting sketchy research right now.

China gonna China.

All we can do is make sure we are prepared for everything, instead of running around and trying to pin blame on others.

A drunk driver runs over your child.

Yeah, I'm sure it doesn't matter who the drunk driver was after the fact because your kid is dead, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a liberal but never said that. I said who cares if it’s from a lab or a wet market? Neither can make me think any less of China. There’s a million reasons to reprimand China. Uyghurs? Child labor? Forced labor? IP theft? The list is soooooo long! I guess we overlook everything because pandas.

Releasing a virus that destroyed the world's economy and an entire generation of kids from keeping them out of school? That's a big one too. And the democrats policies of going along with it make them culpable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

Please explain how speculating on the origins of the virus helped Americans in spring of 2020.
Did if affect developing treatments?
Did it help us getting a handle on testing and tracing?

China accidentally drops a nuke on a US city killing 1,000,000 Americans. Please tell me why knowing the origin of whom accidentally dropped the nuke matters and why it'd be of any relevance during the aftermath of the destruction?


Your logic is truly absurd. At a minimum, if China conducted high risk research with way to lax oversight (e.g..doing this kind of research on a BSL2 lab), there are many actions the world can take. For example, maybe scientific journals should blacklist all Chinese research going forward from publication. Perhaps sanctions can be put into place on all scientific equipment and supplies manufactured from other countries that are trying to be sold in China. There SHOULD be consequences for gross negligence that leads to 25,000,000 deaths.

The craziest part is that this isn't even the first time a virus has leaked from a state run virology lab in China. The original SARS virus also escaped one of their labs a long time ago and infected people. How many millions of deaths and trillions of dollars in blown up economies should the world tolerate until it concludes that China cannot be trusted with things like risky viral research?

I agree with some of your points but until America pays its debts to China, we are not in the position to do much about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

Please explain how speculating on the origins of the virus helped Americans in spring of 2020.
Did if affect developing treatments?
Did it help us getting a handle on testing and tracing?

China accidentally drops a nuke on a US city killing 1,000,000 Americans. Please tell me why knowing the origin of whom accidentally dropped the nuke matters and why it'd be of any relevance during the aftermath of the destruction?


Your logic is truly absurd. At a minimum, if China conducted high risk research with way to lax oversight (e.g..doing this kind of research on a BSL2 lab), there are many actions the world can take. For example, maybe scientific journals should blacklist all Chinese research going forward from publication. Perhaps sanctions can be put into place on all scientific equipment and supplies manufactured from other countries that are trying to be sold in China. There SHOULD be consequences for gross negligence that leads to 25,000,000 deaths.

The craziest part is that this isn't even the first time a virus has leaked from a state run virology lab in China. The original SARS virus also escaped one of their labs a long time ago and infected people. How many millions of deaths and trillions of dollars in blown up economies should the world tolerate until it concludes that China cannot be trusted with things like risky viral research?

Because it didn't just affect the U.S., moron. Millions of Chinese people were killed too so your analogy doesn't hold. A better analogy would be China intentionally setting off nukes in China and allowing the nuclear radiation to float over the U.S.

If it was lax oversight, then let's tighten it procedures so this doesn't happen again. Let's also prefund research into vaccines from the next most likely viruses to jump to humans as well as the manufacturing capacity to scale these things up. And Democrats pushed back on the initial story because of the myriad of lies and conspiracy theories surrounding COVID and the Trump administration. He had no credibility because of this and also because he was pushing scapegoating Asian people as well as "blue cities" instead of dealing with the fallout. If Trump had been consistently honest and truthful, I think the reaction would've been much different. Oh, and if he had just let the experts do their job, he'd probably still be President.

Thanks for reiterating my point, dumbazz.


The Chinese state potentially conducted research with such gross incompentce it less to the deaths of 25,000,000 people.

And morons like you think there should be no consequences from the world to China. And remember the joke WHO that tried to claim China had very little to with it and was acting as a mouthpiece for the Chinese state the whole time? Yeah, maybe an entire organization like the WHO needs to be burned to the ground like everyone said because they were gaslighting the world help China tying to deflect their role in potentially starting the pandemic. What good is WHO to the world if they're just going to lie to people the next pandemic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's stupid to burn public trust for arbitrary guidelines that have no basis in science. It was stupid to shut down a reasonable theory when all we had were theories anyway.

All this destroyed trust in institutions and frayed the public cohesion.

Please explain how speculating on the origins of the virus helped Americans in spring of 2020.
Did if affect developing treatments?
Did it help us getting a handle on testing and tracing?

China accidentally drops a nuke on a US city killing 1,000,000 Americans. Please tell me why knowing the origin of whom accidentally dropped the nuke matters and why it'd be of any relevance during the aftermath of the destruction?


Your logic is truly absurd. At a minimum, if China conducted high risk research with way to lax oversight (e.g..doing this kind of research on a BSL2 lab), there are many actions the world can take. For example, maybe scientific journals should blacklist all Chinese research going forward from publication. Perhaps sanctions can be put into place on all scientific equipment and supplies manufactured from other countries that are trying to be sold in China. There SHOULD be consequences for gross negligence that leads to 25,000,000 deaths.

The craziest part is that this isn't even the first time a virus has leaked from a state run virology lab in China. The original SARS virus also escaped one of their labs a long time ago and infected people. How many millions of deaths and trillions of dollars in blown up economies should the world tolerate until it concludes that China cannot be trusted with things like risky viral research?

I agree with some of your points but until America pays its debts to China, we are not in the position to do much about it.

China owns less than 7% of all outstanding US public debt. The vaaaast majority of public debt is owned by Americans, American institutions, and the US govt itself. China's ownership of US debt is a moot point. Hell, even Japan owns more US debt than China.