It's been 10 years since our oldest graduated from high school. The most successful are

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Anonymous wrote:BS: how many people do you know their salaries, benefits, plans, savings, etc.? Stop guessing and presenting it at fact.

Go to the tops of mid-sized public companies and check out where those folks went to school. Law amd accounting firms probably stuff in all the ivys but there are SO MANY mid sized companies that dont.

Then OP is more of a loser than any of us could imagine.

Fwiw: my high stats kids will be at good colleges - one heading off to a top school in the fall, the other in HS. My second wants to go into a low paying field…but these kids are and will always be very wealthy. So I guess by this judgment, my high stats kid “failed” compared to peers, but this same kid will have a job that is loved and more money than can ever be used in a lifetime. Under this metric, no really smart kid would be a teacher, researcher, etc.

Congratulations?! (I think?)

You can brag on an anonymous forum. Not quite sure what you want strangers to think/feel with this.

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Anonymous wrote:100 years of behavioral genetic research supports this observation. Most of “success” is baked in the cake at the moment of conception.

I disagree. As a business leader I'd hire a type A striver before a lazy genius any day - even if it means hiring the mom instead of the kid she's pushing.

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Fortunately none of this matters much for overall happiness, which is correlated with relationships, health, and a sense of meaning and purpose. Ambition and achievement and prestige do not add to these, and could detract from them.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is so full of generalizations, inaccuracies and judgments. Yikes!

Oh, OP is just one of DCUM’s deranged anti-athlete posters. They start threads all the time like this. To be honest, I find the threads entertaining because the crazies out quickly.

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Must be why you're here.

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Anonymous wrote:My anecdote - my husband and I graduated from a school that most here would think sucks (I’ve actually been told my degree isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, right here on DCUM!). We have friends who graduated from an Ivy that live close by. Neither one of them are doing anything groundbreaking, or are leaders in their field, or are raking in big bucks. We are both living comfortable happy lives. Between the 4 of us there is an MD (me), PhD (husband of the other couple) and 2 Masters degrees (my husband).
I always wonder what the Ivy experience gave them that we didn’t have, that improved their lives more than if they hadn’t gone to an Ivy. But I guess we’ll never know.

But it gave them the brand....

And what does/did that get them?

Well, it's like driving a Range Rover when a Subaru will do. It make them feel better and more important than you! (Even if they're your neighbors and have similar jobs).

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Anonymous wrote:Fortunately none of this matters much for overall happiness, which is correlated with relationships, health, and a sense of meaning and purpose. Ambition and achievement and prestige do not add to these, and could detract from them.

True, but do you realize the demographic of this forum?

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Talk to me when these grads hit their mid-40's. Watching the marriages of white lined type A's burning up in the atmosphere.

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Anonymous wrote:Fortunately none of this matters much for overall happiness, which is correlated with relationships, health, and a sense of meaning and purpose. Ambition and achievement and prestige do not add to these, and could detract from them.

+ 1. Yes, we tend to forget about those other things sometimes.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

All of them are married at 27? Do you live in the deep south or Pakistan?

lol
So true. The OP is a backwards provincial mom stuck on this board with grown and flown children….
Hmmm. What does that tell you.

The upper classes all over the US actually do marry in their mid to late 20s, statistically. It the middle and UMC that marry in their early to mid 30s. The LC marry young and multiple times.

Ummm. Try again. And this tells us you are an immigrant.

Yep! My family immigrated on the Mayflower. You're exactly correct!

Yikes. To both responses.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

Totally sounds like empiricism to me. I mean, other than the fact that you neglected to mention that the most successful after ten years are still - checks notes - the kids who were born on third base and think they hit a triple.

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Does OP have a spreadsheet where she (this could only be a woman) tracking all these kids and their milestones. LMFAO.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful Hy young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

All of them are married at 27? Do you live in the deep south or Pakistan?

lol
So true. The OP is a backwards provincial mom stuck on this board with grown and flown children….
Hmmm. What does that tell you.

The upper classes all over the US actually do marry in their mid to late 20s, statistically. It the middle and UMC that marry in their early to mid 30s. The LC marry young and multiple times.

Asian?
South Asian?

White UC American.

No wealthy white person refers to themselves as “UC”….
It’s just not done.
Iykyk

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Anonymous wrote:NP. This is such a DC take. Sometimes this board is so very provincial.

Agree…
Ask this question again when the grads are 45-50….

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Anonymous wrote:Correct. Ambitious kids become ambitious adults.

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Wow! This sounds like ground breaking rocket science! I wonder how OP came up with such unique insight that no one ever could have predicted.

This forum and others like it and also travel sports forums are full of parents who think prestige colleges are going to change their kids' lives. It is delusional. Your teen either has "it" or they don't by the time they leave your nest. You put a kid ambitious and smart enough for UVA, Duke or Penn into some regional degree mill and they will graduate with a 4.0 GPA and have their pick of jobs and grad schools.

Question: why are you including UVA with Duke and Penn?
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Anonymous wrote:Does OP have a spreadsheet where she (this could only be a woman) tracking all these kids and their milestones. LMFAO.

Exactly. It’s the same sort of person who writes long, detailed posts about the stats of all of the different students at her kid’s high school, claiming those kids actually told her their stats. It would be funny if the delusions weren’t so pathetic.