NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

DP it’s pretty unhinged when you tell a group of accomplished young women who have just finished their degrees that never mind all that your only real accomplishment in life is being a wife and mother and homemaker. Yuck.

He was speaking at Benedictine College in Kansas. It is one of a handful of conservative Catholic colleges in the country. The kind of people and families that end up Benedictine question whether Notre Dame is actually Catholic or not. His message would be enthusiastically welcomed by an overwhelmingly majority of the people who were in attendance.

He and they are probably the type who pick and choose what they want to believe and read in the Bible. Otherwise he would've learned about the female prophets. I doubt they felt like their real lives began as soon as they got married and had kids.

What is your point? That they don’t believe in their faith correctly? Okay. You showed them.

My point is that conservative catholics don't seem to understand the Bible.

But you, enlightened person, do? I can’t believe you are making this argument with a straight face. Religious textual interpretation is usually best left to the adherents of the faith. It is uniquely American progressives that enjoy interpreting others beliefs for them.

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Anonymous wrote:He was speaking to a certain audience. Why do others, not part of that audience, care? There can be many different viewpoints.

Some of you only want the one viewpoint and boy do you get tetchy when people don’t move in conservative lockstep like you want them to.

Hmmm. CK was doing his political advocacy at the stadium in uniform in a way that called attention to himself. Surely you see the difference between that and a commencement. Doe the record, lots of NFL players made the same political statements as CK outside of work and nobody bothered them.

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What an embarrassing idiot. And a fragile egomaniac.

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Anonymous wrote:I am Catholic and these views are not representative of the vast majority of Catholics in the US. There is a growing extremist fringe.

This.

I’m also Catholic and not only are they not Catholic views they are against Jesus’s teachings.

His views are not representative of most Catholics in this country.

His views are firmly within the teaching of Catholic Church.

His views are inline with or theologically understandable for most observant Catholics in this country. There isn’t a single bishop on the planet who would chastise him or correct him for the views he expressed in his speech.

No. His views are not inline with Jesus’s teachings. Yes there are bishops who would disagree with him.

His views are inline with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

While some bishops might disagree with him, none would chastise or correct him because he is firmly within the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Where do you think he was out of line?

He is against natural family planning . The bishops and the pope disagree.

He is against using it to try to perfectly time or control number of children. He says that is reserved for God. Almost every bishop would outright agree with that.

No they wouldn’t. It’s actually heresy.

Also a woman’s biggest calling is to serve God, not their H.

Jesus believed marriage was for the weak of self discipline, but if you must if you aren’t strong enough to serve god you should marry because lust outside marriage is immoral.

It would have been a great opportunity to reinforce with the men that they are called to have a great mastery over their urges and to refrain from sex unless they are intending to have children. Not have sex like rabbits and be accepting of children.

That chastity between husband and wife is not a hindrance to love but is part of it and makes their spiritual life more fruitful.

So many weird rules.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

DP it’s pretty unhinged when you tell a group of accomplished young women who have just finished their degrees that never mind all that your only real accomplishment in life is being a wife and mother and homemaker. Yuck.

He was speaking at Benedictine College in Kansas. It is one of a handful of conservative Catholic colleges in the country. The kind of people and families that end up Benedictine question whether Notre Dame is actually Catholic or not. His message would be enthusiastically welcomed by an overwhelmingly majority of the people who were in attendance.

He and they are probably the type who pick and choose what they want to believe and read in the Bible. Otherwise he would've learned about the female prophets. I doubt they felt like their real lives began as soon as they got married and had kids.

What is your point? That they don’t believe in their faith correctly? Okay. You showed them.

My point is that conservative catholics don't seem to understand the Bible.

But you, enlightened person, do? I can’t believe you are making this argument with a straight face. Religious textual interpretation is usually best left to the adherents of the faith. It is uniquely American progressives that enjoy interpreting others beliefs for them.

? Have you read the Bible? There are women prophets in the Old Testament. I am not "interpreting" whether there were female prophets; it says so in the Bible directly.

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/bible/what-can-we-learn-from-female-prophets-in-the-bible.html

Has nothing to do with "interpretation". Maybe read the Bible before you feel you can lecture me about "interpretation" and being "enlightened".

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People complained bitterly about Kaepernick stupidly.

This guy belongs in a hole.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

DP it’s pretty unhinged when you tell a group of accomplished young women who have just finished their degrees that never mind all that your only real accomplishment in life is being a wife and mother and homemaker. Yuck.

He was speaking at Benedictine College in Kansas. It is one of a handful of conservative Catholic colleges in the country. The kind of people and families that end up Benedictine question whether Notre Dame is actually Catholic or not. His message would be enthusiastically welcomed by an overwhelmingly majority of the people who were in attendance.

He and they are probably the type who pick and choose what they want to believe and read in the Bible. Otherwise he would've learned about the female prophets. I doubt they felt like their real lives began as soon as they got married and had kids.

What is your point? That they don’t believe in their faith correctly? Okay. You showed them.

My point is that conservative catholics don't seem to understand the Bible.

But you, enlightened person, do? I can’t believe you are making this argument with a straight face. Religious textual interpretation is usually best left to the adherents of the faith. It is uniquely American progressives that enjoy interpreting others beliefs for them.

? Have you read the Bible? There are women prophets in the Old Testament. I am not "interpreting" whether there were female prophets; it says so in the Bible directly.

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/bible/what-can-we-learn-from-female-prophets-in-the-bible.html

Has nothing to do with "interpretation". Maybe read the Bible before you feel you can lecture me about "interpretation" and being "enlightened".

+1 well said

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Anonymous wrote:He was speaking to a certain audience. Why do others, not part of that audience, care? There can be many different viewpoints.

Because a viewpoint that, among other things, resurfaces the century old lie that Jews are responsible for the murder of Jesus is despicable and dangerous. BTW even the catholic church has officially rejected it. This guy goes on and on about his righteousness and following the word of God and then has no shame to take out a lie that has been at the core of centuries of persecutions and massacres. So much time spent trying on Jesus and clearly has not understood anything of Jesus’ message.

This guy is part of the fringe who are proudly stuck to the church before the II Vatican Council of the 60s: references to the founder of Opus Dei, the mass in Latin, Jews as Jesus’ murderers, women place is at home (at a commencement!!!) men are the one setting the cultural tone, even abstinence between a husband and wife who decided the 5 kids they already have may be enough is sinful and so on.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

DP it’s pretty unhinged when you tell a group of accomplished young women who have just finished their degrees that never mind all that your only real accomplishment in life is being a wife and mother and homemaker. Yuck.

Yep what a slap in the face.

And how is a person opposed to IVF but still think women belong in the home raising babies? I suppose at least these particular women have degrees to fall back on just in case they or their husbands are infertile. Jackass.

- a native KC-er and Chiefs Fan

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."

He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

Difference without a distinction.

Hey folks who use birth control and IVF -this conservative Catholics thinks that your use “stems from the pervasiveness of disorder.” Along with his other hard right laundry list of culture war grievances.

He is a dangerous extremist.

Because you disagree with him? He's allowed his beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."

He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

Difference without a distinction.

Hey folks who use birth control and IVF -this conservative Catholics thinks that your use “stems from the pervasiveness of disorder.” Along with his other hard right laundry list of culture war grievances.

He is a dangerous extremist.

Because you disagree with him? He's allowed his beliefs.

Yes he is allowed his beliefs. But he didn’t say they were his beliefs he said they are Catholic beliefs and that’s a lie.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."

He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

Difference without a distinction.

Hey folks who use birth control and IVF -this conservative Catholics thinks that your use “stems from the pervasiveness of disorder.” Along with his other hard right laundry list of culture war grievances.

He is a dangerous extremist.

Because you disagree with him? He's allowed his beliefs.

Yes he is allowed his beliefs. But he didn’t say they were his beliefs he said they are Catholic beliefs and that’s a lie.

Show your evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

I don't think the majority of Catholics share his beliefs.

Are the MAJORITY of women at your Catholic church "homemakers?" Do you think most female college graduates expect to stay home? No. It's not as though the economy has changed anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

+1
I'm not even Catholic and I understood what he was saying. I agreed with a lot of it, maybe not everything, but there was nothing offensive in his speech. The only unhinged person I'm seeing is the OP and her gross hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."

He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

Difference without a distinction.

Hey folks who use birth control and IVF -this conservative Catholics thinks that your use “stems from the pervasiveness of disorder.” Along with his other hard right laundry list of culture war grievances.

He is a dangerous extremist.

This OP and thread are a great example of exactly why LWNJs are mocked so roundly. Classic.