NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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He was speaking to a certain audience. Why do others, not part of that audience, care? There can be many different viewpoints.

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Except you are not a minority and wield enormous influence in the United States. So much so that we have lost reproductive freedom in half the country because of your influence. Doctors can refuse to prescribe things out of “religious conscience”. I’m sorry but you’re no minority.

You’re a scared majority intent on doubling down before the next generation, who by and large eschew Christianity, come to power.

People like Butker are a religious minority. They are more akin to Orthodox Jews in belief and religious zeal. They are absolutely a minority. He was speaking to a group of like minded fellow believers ant ann event that was for them. He and they are being attacked in this thread for the substance of their beliefs.

To be clear, I’m not in same camp as Butker, but I understand his views on an academic level.

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Anonymous wrote:He was speaking to a certain audience. Why do others, not part of that audience, care? There can be many different viewpoints.

Because he is a barometer of sorts. You know we’re all not a bunch of mindless heathens, right? We do read things like Reuters and The Economist and learn about trends. There is a big resurgence of strict Christianity or Christian nationalism in response to the rapid social change that’s taking place.

So people not part of that audience care because it helps us gauge what you all are thinking. What else are you going to decry and try to restrict? What other rights are we potentially going to lose because of your religious ideology and influence. Do you understand that? We want to know what we might be facing. And that bearded dipsht is a thermometer.

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Anonymous wrote:He was speaking to a certain audience. Why do others, not part of that audience, care? There can be many different viewpoints.

Because his speach is full of lies.

He says that the Catholic Churches teaching on natural family planning is immoral.

It’s an extremist non-Catholic view that you must have sex when your H wants and that trying to abstain when ovulating is immoral.

He is a lunatic extremist and that is not what the Catholic Church teaches.

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Except you are not a minority and wield enormous influence in the United States. So much so that we have lost reproductive freedom in half the country because of your influence. Doctors can refuse to prescribe things out of “religious conscience”. I’m sorry but you’re no minority.

You’re a scared majority intent on doubling down before the next generation, who by and large eschew Christianity, come to power.

People like Butker are a religious minority. They are more akin to Orthodox Jews in belief and religious zeal. They are absolutely a minority. He was speaking to a group of like minded fellow believers ant ann event that was for them. He and they are being attacked in this thread for the substance of their beliefs.

To be clear, I’m not in same camp as Butker, but I understand his views on an academic level.

I’m sure Alito, Thomas, Barret agree with him. That’s the kind of thing we are concerned about. People who make policy or shape laws.

I don’t live in a a reality that’s been boxed in by a book from 2000 years ago and this beardo does. I believe in like the golden rule. He believes in cracking down on “deviant” Gays and women essentially. I am open minded. His is shut.

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Except you are not a minority and wield enormous influence in the United States. So much so that we have lost reproductive freedom in half the country because of your influence. Doctors can refuse to prescribe things out of “religious conscience”. I’m sorry but you’re no minority.

You’re a scared majority intent on doubling down before the next generation, who by and large eschew Christianity, come to power.

People like Butker are a religious minority. They are more akin to Orthodox Jews in belief and religious zeal. They are absolutely a minority. He was speaking to a group of like minded fellow believers ant ann event that was for them. He and they are being attacked in this thread for the substance of their beliefs.

To be clear, I’m not in same camp as Butker, but I understand his views on an academic level.

I’m sure Alito, Thomas, Barret agree with him. That’s the kind of thing we are concerned about. People who make policy or shape laws.

I don’t live in a a reality that’s been boxed in by a book from 2000 years ago and this beardo does. I believe in like the golden rule. He believes in cracking down on “deviant” Gays and women essentially. I am open minded. His is shut.

You are obviously not a serious person. Absolutely no one should take anything you have to say with any reality.

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Anonymous wrote:I am Catholic and these views are not representative of the vast majority of Catholics in the US. There is a growing extremist fringe.

This.

I’m also Catholic and not only are they not Catholic views they are against Jesus’s teachings.

His views are not representative of most Catholics in this country.

His views are firmly within the teaching of Catholic Church.

His views are inline with or theologically understandable for most observant Catholics in this country. There isn’t a single bishop on the planet who would chastise him or correct him for the views he expressed in his speech.

No. His views are not inline with Jesus’s teachings. Yes there are bishops who would disagree with him.

His views are inline with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

While some bishops might disagree with him, none would chastise or correct him because he is firmly within the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Where do you think he was out of line?

He is against natural family planning . The bishops and the pope disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

DP-You're dripping with a false-sense of morale superiority like all of you do. No one needs your pity you narcissistic clown.

Again, a reflexive, condescending and angry response from a wide eyed believer. Thought you were supposed to love thy neighbor?

I was a DP and am an atheist. My comment was not reflexive or angry, just an accurate observation that you conveying pity on someone is narcissistic, clownish, and only possible because you "feel" morally superior.

All the loud and proud atheists I know are arrogant jerks and hold deeply entrenched misogyny.

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Except you are not a minority and wield enormous influence in the United States. So much so that we have lost reproductive freedom in half the country because of your influence. Doctors can refuse to prescribe things out of “religious conscience”. I’m sorry but you’re no minority.

You’re a scared majority intent on doubling down before the next generation, who by and large eschew Christianity, come to power.

People like Butker are a religious minority. They are more akin to Orthodox Jews in belief and religious zeal. They are absolutely a minority. He was speaking to a group of like minded fellow believers ant ann event that was for them. He and they are being attacked in this thread for the substance of their beliefs.

To be clear, I’m not in same camp as Butker, but I understand his views on an academic level.

I’m sure Alito, Thomas, Barret agree with him. That’s the kind of thing we are concerned about. People who make policy or shape laws.

I don’t live in a a reality that’s been boxed in by a book from 2000 years ago and this beardo does. I believe in like the golden rule. He believes in cracking down on “deviant” Gays and women essentially. I am open minded. His is shut.

Then talk about a policy makers and shapers.

Your religious bigotry is showing.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I am Catholic and these views are not representative of the vast majority of Catholics in the US. There is a growing extremist fringe.

This.

I’m also Catholic and not only are they not Catholic views they are against Jesus’s teachings.

His views are not representative of most Catholics in this country.

His views are firmly within the teaching of Catholic Church.

His views are inline with or theologically understandable for most observant Catholics in this country. There isn’t a single bishop on the planet who would chastise him or correct him for the views he expressed in his speech.

No. His views are not inline with Jesus’s teachings. Yes there are bishops who would disagree with him.

His views are inline with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

While some bishops might disagree with him, none would chastise or correct him because he is firmly within the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Where do you think he was out of line?

He is against natural family planning . The bishops and the pope disagree.

He is against using it to try to perfectly time or control number of children. He says that is reserved for God. Almost every bishop would outright agree with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

DP it’s pretty unhinged when you tell a group of accomplished young women who have just finished their degrees that never mind all that your only real accomplishment in life is being a wife and mother and homemaker. Yuck.

He was speaking at Benedictine College in Kansas. It is one of a handful of conservative Catholic colleges in the country. The kind of people and families that end up Benedictine question whether Notre Dame is actually Catholic or not. His message would be enthusiastically welcomed by an overwhelmingly majority of the people who were in attendance.

He made a similar speech last year at Georgia Tech.

yikes.. did he get booed? I think it's one thing to make that kind of speech at a conservative catholic school, but another thing at a public school with diverse backgrounds, including lgbtq groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

DP it’s pretty unhinged when you tell a group of accomplished young women who have just finished their degrees that never mind all that your only real accomplishment in life is being a wife and mother and homemaker. Yuck.

He was speaking at Benedictine College in Kansas. It is one of a handful of conservative Catholic colleges in the country. The kind of people and families that end up Benedictine question whether Notre Dame is actually Catholic or not. His message would be enthusiastically welcomed by an overwhelmingly majority of the people who were in attendance.

He and they are probably the type who pick and choose what they want to believe and read in the Bible. Otherwise he would've learned about the female prophets. I doubt they felt like their real lives began as soon as they got married and had kids.

What is your point? That they don’t believe in their faith correctly? Okay. You showed them.

My point is that conservative catholics don't seem to understand the Bible.

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Anonymous wrote:He was speaking to a certain audience. Why do others, not part of that audience, care? There can be many different viewpoints.

Some of you only want the one viewpoint and boy do you get tetchy when people don’t move in conservative lockstep like you want them to.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am Catholic and these views are not representative of the vast majority of Catholics in the US. There is a growing extremist fringe.

This.

I’m also Catholic and not only are they not Catholic views they are against Jesus’s teachings.

His views are not representative of most Catholics in this country.

His views are firmly within the teaching of Catholic Church.

His views are inline with or theologically understandable for most observant Catholics in this country. There isn’t a single bishop on the planet who would chastise him or correct him for the views he expressed in his speech.

No. His views are not inline with Jesus’s teachings. Yes there are bishops who would disagree with him.

His views are inline with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

While some bishops might disagree with him, none would chastise or correct him because he is firmly within the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Where do you think he was out of line?

He is against natural family planning . The bishops and the pope disagree.

He is against using it to try to perfectly time or control number of children. He says that is reserved for God. Almost every bishop would outright agree with that.

No they wouldn’t. It’s actually heresy.

Also a woman’s biggest calling is to serve God, not their H.

Jesus believed marriage was for the weak of self discipline, but if you must if you aren’t strong enough to serve god you should marry because lust outside marriage is immoral.

It would have been a great opportunity to reinforce with the men that they are called to have a great mastery over their urges and to refrain from sex unless they are intending to have children. Not have sex like rabbits and be accepting of children.

That chastity between husband and wife is not a hindrance to love but is part of it and makes their spiritual life more fruitful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Except you are not a minority and wield enormous influence in the United States. So much so that we have lost reproductive freedom in half the country because of your influence. Doctors can refuse to prescribe things out of “religious conscience”. I’m sorry but you’re no minority.

You’re a scared majority intent on doubling down before the next generation, who by and large eschew Christianity, come to power.

This. I don’t even hear half-hearted support for separation of church and state anymore.

And no, printing “in god we trust” on our dollars does not eliminate the first amendment.