Leaving a team mid year

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Anonymous wrote:We switched clubs specifically to play for one coach. This coach was the best coach at the club and coached 3 of their first level boys teams (ECNL-RL level)

Mid fall that coach announced he is leaving and they are replacing him with some random guy with no experience for all three teams.

If we did winter tryouts and found another team, can we just stop paying the first club? We are on an installment plan.

Very unlikely - they won't release your card if you aren't paid in full

If pp goes and plays for a different carding system, for instance they were ecnl and switched to mls next, the card doesn't need to be "released", right?

Probably not since it's a different league. But i guess you'll never return to the first club if you walk away like that.

Also, just because you pay installments, doesn't mean you didn't commit for the full amount when you took the offer. If vindictive enough, they could come after you for the full amount. All these situations are different and there is no one answer, but just throwing that out there so you know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We switched clubs specifically to play for one coach. This coach was the best coach at the club and coached 3 of their first level boys teams (ECNL-RL level)

Mid fall that coach announced he is leaving and they are replacing him with some random guy with no experience for all three teams.

If we did winter tryouts and found another team, can we just stop paying the first club? We are on an installment plan.

Very unlikely - they won't release your card if you aren't paid in full

If pp goes and plays for a different carding system, for instance they were ecnl and switched to mls next, the card doesn't need to be "released", right?

Probably not since it's a different league. But i guess you'll never return to the first club if you walk away like that.

Didn't the club also fail to uphold their end of the deal? You accept an offer to play for a team and a specific coach. That's why coach slates are listed before tryouts. It sounds like the coach was a real draw for all three teams and the club knew it , yet he planned on leaving all along if it was announced mid-fall..that's only a month into the season? and it was a real bait and switch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:commitment should go both ways. if coach says practices are important to determine rosters and many players only show up to one practice per week because of private school soccer and those players are still the starting players, coach does not follow through on his own words. warning: do not go to baltimore armour mls next u17 and u19 boys teams. only 11 play, only one goalie plays, and 3-4 get 10 minutes at end of second half

We are with SYC and they have kids who only come out to 2nd team practices 1x day per week, but they start and play most of every game. They are 'futures' players and get to attend both 1st team and 2nd team practices all they want and play double the games for the same price. We all pay 3k per year, but for 'futures' players, they show up 1x day per week and can play the whole game! Great for them, but it is a piss poor look for the club. "Practice attendance is important for play time!" Oh wait, you are a futures player? You can guest play for multiple team as possible! And play the whole game even though you only attended 1x practice this week! Mean while, everyone else who wants to get ahead has to pay for supplemental training, attend outside club practices, camps and clinics in order to keep up, while 'Futures' players get all the extra 1st, 2nd and playing up team opportunities as possible!

If my kid didn't like their teammates, we'd switch. It's a completely unfair, system. Oh wow, look at how much better the 'futures' players are getting! See, they deserve to be moved up. 'No, they work hard on their own, it's not all the 1st team practices and games they attend.' Your kid gets 2-3x 2nd team practices per week and they will never go any where; but look at the 'futures' kid! They get to practice 3-5x days per week with the 1st, 2nd teams and the older teams as much as they want! They should move up because they put in the work for the same price!

Yeah, sour grapes here, but SYC has a completely lopsided development program. I heard a lot of clubs have more of an open Academy program with equity. SYC has a closed/ segregated development program and unless you are on the 1st team, you will never get better in their program. #Readytoleavemidyear

Future players and 1st team players do not have it as good as you make it. It may seem like it from the outside. It's cut throat on the 1st team, all players fight for every playing minutes by proving themselves at every practices and games. The squad is 20+ without futures. Only 11 are on the field at any given time. The main squad is fighting for minutes so if you add in the futures, very unlikely they would get many minutes if at all. They don't get to play on the 1st team whenever they want. They wait to be called up and many don't get called up if you add up all the players. It's no fun but that's the reality. It takes a lot of personal commitment, training whenever and wherever you can get it to get onto the first time. That's just to get on it, then more work to stay on it and get minutes. It's not has glamourous as many think but that's the choice these boys make to play the sport they love and to go as far as they can.

Fair points. I'll lay off the vodka before posting next time. Lol. We have futures who never attend 2nd team practice, but get to play the whole game over and over while the 2nd team kids attend all the practices but ride the bench. Its frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We switched clubs specifically to play for one coach. This coach was the best coach at the club and coached 3 of their first level boys teams (ECNL-RL level)

Mid fall that coach announced he is leaving and they are replacing him with some random guy with no experience for all three teams.

If we did winter tryouts and found another team, can we just stop paying the first club? We are on an installment plan.

Very unlikely - they won't release your card if you aren't paid in full

If pp goes and plays for a different carding system, for instance they were ecnl and switched to mls next, the card doesn't need to be "released", right?

Probably not since it's a different league. But i guess you'll never return to the first club if you walk away like that.

The clubs I have coached with have always welcomed players back even if they left mid-year. They’re paying customers, and bonus if the player is actually good. I’ve only seen players turned away twice in 15 years.

1- the player had been on a scholarship (paid for everything including tournaments). Left mid year for the clubs main rival without saying a word and then wanted to come back (and still be under scholarship) after the spring. Board said hell no.

2- the player was very good but had real behavior issues. No way would they take him back. He had gotten himself kicked out of the club he had gone to…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:commitment should go both ways. if coach says practices are important to determine rosters and many players only show up to one practice per week because of private school soccer and those players are still the starting players, coach does not follow through on his own words. warning: do not go to baltimore armour mls next u17 and u19 boys teams. only 11 play, only one goalie plays, and 3-4 get 10 minutes at end of second half

We are with SYC and they have kids who only come out to 2nd team practices 1x day per week, but they start and play most of every game. They are 'futures' players and get to attend both 1st team and 2nd team practices all they want and play double the games for the same price. We all pay 3k per year, but for 'futures' players, they show up 1x day per week and can play the whole game! Great for them, but it is a piss poor look for the club. "Practice attendance is important for play time!" Oh wait, you are a futures player? You can guest play for multiple team as possible! And play the whole game even though you only attended 1x practice this week! Mean while, everyone else who wants to get ahead has to pay for supplemental training, attend outside club practices, camps and clinics in order to keep up, while 'Futures' players get all the extra 1st, 2nd and playing up team opportunities as possible!

If my kid didn't like their teammates, we'd switch. It's a completely unfair, system. Oh wow, look at how much better the 'futures' players are getting! See, they deserve to be moved up. 'No, they work hard on their own, it's not all the 1st team practices and games they attend.' Your kid gets 2-3x 2nd team practices per week and they will never go any where; but look at the 'futures' kid! They get to practice 3-5x days per week with the 1st, 2nd teams and the older teams as much as they want! They should move up because they put in the work for the same price!

Yeah, sour grapes here, but SYC has a completely lopsided development program. I heard a lot of clubs have more of an open Academy program with equity. SYC has a closed/ segregated development program and unless you are on the 1st team, you will never get better in their program. #Readytoleavemidyear

Future players and 1st team players do not have it as good as you make it. It may seem like it from the outside. It's cut throat on the 1st team, all players fight for every playing minutes by proving themselves at every practices and games. The squad is 20+ without futures. Only 11 are on the field at any given time. The main squad is fighting for minutes so if you add in the futures, very unlikely they would get many minutes if at all. They don't get to play on the 1st team whenever they want. They wait to be called up and many don't get called up if you add up all the players. It's no fun but that's the reality. It takes a lot of personal commitment, training whenever and wherever you can get it to get onto the first time. That's just to get on it, then more work to stay on it and get minutes. It's not has glamourous as many think but that's the choice these boys make to play the sport they love and to go as far as they can.

Fair points. I'll lay off the vodka before posting next time. Lol. We have futures who never attend 2nd team practice, but get to play the whole game over and over while the 2nd team kids attend all the practices but ride the bench. Its frustrating.

I feel you on that point as well. This just shows lack of discipline and commitment (to the 2nd team) and they probably won't make it to the 1st team as future. If they do, they probably won't play many minutes. Also, this shows the coach isn't consistent with expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We switched clubs specifically to play for one coach. This coach was the best coach at the club and coached 3 of their first level boys teams (ECNL-RL level)

Mid fall that coach announced he is leaving and they are replacing him with some random guy with no experience for all three teams.

If we did winter tryouts and found another team, can we just stop paying the first club? We are on an installment plan.

Very unlikely - they won't release your card if you aren't paid in full

If pp goes and plays for a different carding system, for instance they were ecnl and switched to mls next, the card doesn't need to be "released", right?

Probably not since it's a different league. But i guess you'll never return to the first club if you walk away like that.

The clubs I have coached with have always welcomed players back even if they left mid-year. They’re paying customers, and bonus if the player is actually good. I’ve only seen players turned away twice in 15 years.

1- the player had been on a scholarship (paid for everything including tournaments). Left mid year for the clubs main rival without saying a word and then wanted to come back (and still be under scholarship) after the spring. Board said hell no.

2- the player was very good but had real behavior issues. No way would they take him back. He had gotten himself kicked out of the club he had gone to…

Coach, would you take the player back if the player walked away mid-season and didn't pay in full? Probably not, that's just bad character.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:commitment should go both ways. if coach says practices are important to determine rosters and many players only show up to one practice per week because of private school soccer and those players are still the starting players, coach does not follow through on his own words. warning: do not go to baltimore armour mls next u17 and u19 boys teams. only 11 play, only one goalie plays, and 3-4 get 10 minutes at end of second half

We are with SYC and they have kids who only come out to 2nd team practices 1x day per week, but they start and play most of every game. They are 'futures' players and get to attend both 1st team and 2nd team practices all they want and play double the games for the same price. We all pay 3k per year, but for 'futures' players, they show up 1x day per week and can play the whole game! Great for them, but it is a piss poor look for the club. "Practice attendance is important for play time!" Oh wait, you are a futures player? You can guest play for multiple team as possible! And play the whole game even though you only attended 1x practice this week! Mean while, everyone else who wants to get ahead has to pay for supplemental training, attend outside club practices, camps and clinics in order to keep up, while 'Futures' players get all the extra 1st, 2nd and playing up team opportunities as possible!

If my kid didn't like their teammates, we'd switch. It's a completely unfair, system. Oh wow, look at how much better the 'futures' players are getting! See, they deserve to be moved up. 'No, they work hard on their own, it's not all the 1st team practices and games they attend.' Your kid gets 2-3x 2nd team practices per week and they will never go any where; but look at the 'futures' kid! They get to practice 3-5x days per week with the 1st, 2nd teams and the older teams as much as they want! They should move up because they put in the work for the same price!

Yeah, sour grapes here, but SYC has a completely lopsided development program. I heard a lot of clubs have more of an open Academy program with equity. SYC has a closed/ segregated development program and unless you are on the 1st team, you will never get better in their program. #Readytoleavemidyear

Future players and 1st team players do not have it as good as you make it. It may seem like it from the outside. It's cut throat on the 1st team, all players fight for every playing minutes by proving themselves at every practices and games. The squad is 20+ without futures. Only 11 are on the field at any given time. The main squad is fighting for minutes so if you add in the futures, very unlikely they would get many minutes if at all. They don't get to play on the 1st team whenever they want. They wait to be called up and many don't get called up if you add up all the players. It's no fun but that's the reality. It takes a lot of personal commitment, training whenever and wherever you can get it to get onto the first time. That's just to get on it, then more work to stay on it and get minutes. It's not has glamourous as many think but that's the choice these boys make to play the sport they love and to go as far as they can.

Fair points. I'll lay off the vodka before posting next time. Lol. We have futures who never attend 2nd team practice, but get to play the whole game over and over while the 2nd team kids attend all the practices but ride the bench. Its frustrating.

I feel you on that point as well. This just shows lack of discipline and commitment (to the 2nd team) and they probably won't make it to the 1st team as future. If they do, they probably won't play many minutes. Also, this shows the coach isn't consistent with expectations.

That is solely on the club/coaches. The players aren't picking and choosing which practices to go to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We switched clubs specifically to play for one coach. This coach was the best coach at the club and coached 3 of their first level boys teams (ECNL-RL level)

Mid fall that coach announced he is leaving and they are replacing him with some random guy with no experience for all three teams.

If we did winter tryouts and found another team, can we just stop paying the first club? We are on an installment plan.

Very unlikely - they won't release your card if you aren't paid in full

If pp goes and plays for a different carding system, for instance they were ecnl and switched to mls next, the card doesn't need to be "released", right?

Probably not since it's a different league. But i guess you'll never return to the first club if you walk away like that.

The clubs I have coached with have always welcomed players back even if they left mid-year. They’re paying customers, and bonus if the player is actually good. I’ve only seen players turned away twice in 15 years.

1- the player had been on a scholarship (paid for everything including tournaments). Left mid year for the clubs main rival without saying a word and then wanted to come back (and still be under scholarship) after the spring. Board said hell no.

2- the player was very good but had real behavior issues. No way would they take him back. He had gotten himself kicked out of the club he had gone to…

Coach, would you take the player back if the player walked away mid-season and didn't pay in full? Probably not, that's just bad character.

Part of reinstatement is always paying any balances… that being said, I personally don’t have a stake in it.