Are Any Fellow Jews Thinking of Changing Their Voting

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I’m only responding to other Jews.

You’re just stirring the pot.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not Jewish but married into a Jewish family. I’m actually fairly surprised by the number of American Jews who are supporting netanyahu’s and the Idf’s approach to the war at this point. I was pretty supportive in October and November but it has gone so far and with no real progress that I can see. The only people winning are Iran and other anti-semites who will use this for hundreds of years to support their cause. When a guy like Jose Andres is writing an open letter asking you to rethink your approach, you know you’re probably on the wrong track. I just don’t know what the heck BN thinks he’s accomplishing, and I’m very concerned by America essentially giving him a blank check. I think Jake Sullivan is ineffectual and blinken seems like he has not real juice in this situation. I am really surprised American Jews would move yo Trump in these circumstances as I am 100% sure he will only make the situation worse for Jews around the world.

Jose Andres sent WCK staff into harms way without appropriate training and support.

Yes Hamas still totally control Gaza. It is their only fault for trusting Hamas and working with Hamas. What do you expect Hamas was going to do, let them live? I still can not believe Jose Andres has nit been arrested by the US,

Poor trolling effort. You’ve got the most fraught situation— wrapping up all kinds of dimensions of distrust, violence etc and you want to pick on the one person everyone agrees is practically a saint?

This entire thread is a pile of garbage. There are issues worth discussing but this certainly isn’t the place where reasonable non-trolling discussion is going to happen

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not Jewish but married into a Jewish family. I’m actually fairly surprised by the number of American Jews who are supporting netanyahu’s and the Idf’s approach to the war at this point. I was pretty supportive in October and November but it has gone so far and with no real progress that I can see. The only people winning are Iran and other anti-semites who will use this for hundreds of years to support their cause. When a guy like Jose Andres is writing an open letter asking you to rethink your approach, you know you’re probably on the wrong track. I just don’t know what the heck BN thinks he’s accomplishing, and I’m very concerned by America essentially giving him a blank check. I think Jake Sullivan is ineffectual and blinken seems like he has not real juice in this situation. I am really surprised American Jews would move yo Trump in these circumstances as I am 100% sure he will only make the situation worse for Jews around the world.

Jose Andres sent WCK staff into harms way without appropriate training and support.

That seems like an odd thing to say. WCK coordinated with IDF. IDF failed to communicate with its operational forces, which decided that Hamas was running the trucks and systematically, in three separate drone attacks, killed the people trying to make the delivery. Also, IDF does not allow aid agencies to use radios, and phone communication is patchy. And the IDF itself said the attack violated orders.

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Votes from Zionist Jews are inconsequential to elections. It’s the lobby that has captured the administrative state. So the question is simple, which uniparty president is more valuable to the lobby under the current circumstances? I think it’s the Biden branch.

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Tell you the truth the “Jewish” vote does not matter. It is just too small and in the wrong states. Every Jew could switch parties and vote republican. New York and New Jersey are not going red. There is not one swing state where it would matter.

For Israel it has always been the evangelistic vote that matters and they are reliably red. Though their number have decreased sharply in the past years. In 1999 33% said they were evangelistic now it is 14%.

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This is what happens when history is treated like a Schedule 1 controlled substance.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the daughter of Soviet Jews. We’ve always voted Republican on account of having escaped Leftist antisemitism (and the Nazis, too). The only regret I have is voting for Bush the first time in 2000. I abstained in 2004. (I thoroughly believe that he and his daddy were antisemites, while Clinton and was not and Gore was completely ambivalent about Jews. And yes, Gore would have been a much better president.) The politicians are all pretty awful on both sides, but I genuinely think that most Conservatives are less antisemitic than most Liberals, just like most Conservatives are far less racist than most Liberals (including the Jewish ones).

Move away from the communists…come over to the other side!

Very very true. I’ve been listening to conservative radio for years (Limbaugh, etc) and they always support Jews.

The only reason they support Jews is because they believe that Israel needs to be in the hands of Jews for the Rapture to come. Otherwise, they really couldn’t care less about Israel and are pretty anti-Semitic.

This is something that is repeated often on these boards but just isn’t true, and I say that as a Republican.

I believe it’s called “Dispensationalism”:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism

Dispensational eschatology was popularized in Hal Lindsey's book, The Late Great Planet Earth. In Lindsey's version, the unfolding of events includes the establishment of Israel in 1948, Jews regaining control of Jerusalem's sacred sites in the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, the rebuilding of the Temple which has yet to occur, an Antichrist will come to power, Christians will be removed from the earth in a rapture of the Church, and there will be seven years of tribulation (Daniel's seventieth week) culminating in a great battle of Armageddon in which Christ will triumph over evil and establish a literal 1,000 year reign of his kingdom on earth.[28] The necessity of the rapture is that, with the Church and Israel being distinct, the Church must be removed before remnant Israel can be gathered.[1]: 42 

From what I understand, this is a very big deal in the Evangelical Christian community.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you want done differently by voting another way? What will that get you?

Right? As if student will stop protesting if you change your personal vote? That isn't what they are protesting for.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been a lifelong Democrat, but the protests on college campuses and the media responses from liberal groups I supported and who I thought supported me have got me thinking about changing my vote in November.

I can’t get over how much obvious antisemitism I see—even at my own child’s college—and how I’m being gaslighted and told by non Jews that what I’m seeing doesn’t exist or that since there are some Jews who agree, it can’t be Jew hating.

I can’t imagine voting for Trump, and I genuinely think Biden supports Jews. But I want to send a message to the left wing of the Democratic Party that they are taking Jewish support for granted.

Right now I would not give a blanket vote to any down ticket Democrat without looking at their record on Jews and Israel. And there’s a part of me that really isn’t sure I won’t vote for Trump just because I’m so angry.

Ridiculous. You have a right to speak your mind just like every other American citizen! The far left and the far Right are the loonies of politics and you just joined them!

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Anonymous wrote:I think if Trump wins, MBS is going to have a lot of influence with Trump. And I don’t think MBS is going to want Israel to exist. So best of luck.

MBS wants and has pursued the normalization of relations with Israel. It's one of the reasons Iranian-backed Hamas attacked on 10/7 - to derail a comprehensive deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia. But yes, MBS would have a significant influence in a Trump administration. If I recall, Saudi Arabia was Trump's first oversees destination as president. And the Saudis are heavily invested in Trump business ventures, from golf to real estate. I don't think that's a bad thing for Israel though. The share they same regional enemy - Iran.

yes but if choosing between Israel and the PLO/Fateh, MBS will have no choice- the saudis are British plants, the tribe is nobodies- they have no base, there actually is no proof that they arent a Jewish tribe that converted to Islam eons ago as opposed to the Jordanian royals who are popular and have a pure Muslim bloodline and are seen as the true key holders of the khana Kaaba by the entire Muslim world (Indonesia to Ghana, the Stans in the north to South Africa in the south) , there is just no appetite to do anything about it right now. There is immense pressure on the House of Saud and they cant just butcher their way out of it. many muslims- especially in Asia, had sympathy for Palestinians but also agreed that the Arabs had no choice but should have acquisced to 2 state solution. That is rapidly changing- I dont think people are aware of just how many Muslims live in Africa and Asia. . fifty percent of thais are muslim. this is a disaster waiting to happen, radicalizing all of these pop.s will throw us back to the Middle Ages & the crusades. these are also teh people who suffered colonial hegemony and now climate change effects- the world is on literal fire and teh powers that be are niggling over a bit of territory?- Hamas will go teh way of the IRA and Sinn Fein if a Palestinians state is established and massive amount of world conflict will be averted. The Israelis are being unreasonable.

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It doesn't matter if you are Jewish or Muslim or a neutral observer, vote for American interests, not for interests of Israel or Palestine. Do consider candidate's moral standing, if their policies are based on self interest not morality or ethics, they aren't worthy of your vote.

As far as Trump goes, anyone who is good with division and hatred if it serves him well, isn't good for anyone, no matter which God we pray to. Same way Israel or Hamas's actions aren't good for anyone, even if we delude ourselves into thinking that.

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Anonymous wrote:Tell you the truth the “Jewish” vote does not matter. It is just too small and in the wrong states. Every Jew could switch parties and vote republican. New York and New Jersey are not going red. There is not one swing state where it would matter.

For Israel it has always been the evangelistic vote that matters and they are reliably red. Though their number have decreased sharply in the past years. In 1999 33% said they were evangelistic now it is 14%.

this is not what we are discussing here or what was asked.

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Anonymous wrote:You and me both. At this point, I cannot see myself voting for Biden. I’m still on the fence on whether that means sitting out, or voting for Trump, but I’m not seeing any policy from the democrats that takes the threats being made against Israel and the Jewish people seriously.

I generally agree with democrats on most issues, and find some of the right’s policies (especially on abortion, LGBT rights, etc) disgusting, but I cannot in good faith vote for a party that seems to believe supporting pro-Hamas actors is more important then protecting innocent Jewish residents.

So you are ready to through under the bus the lives of millions of women and LGBTQ instead of sacrificing a much smaller group of Jewish people? Your dear leader will not be happy with you.

Your argument is that women matter, and LGBTQ people matter, but Jewish people don’t?

I wish I could support all three, I am both a Woman and Jewish, and I have family (and dear friends) who are LGBTQ. I hate I am placed in a position where I have to place my loyalty, but that is where we are, and right now Jewish people are facing an immediate danger with the increasing level of anti-Semitism and violence toward Jewish people. And if the 1930s showed us anything, Jewish people are often the first and most loudly scapegoats used to vilify all groups. Do you really think the Islamist extremist groups that the current radicals are supporting will support women and protect the rights of LGBTQ people? They may be okay with just villainizing Jewish people now because hating Jewish people is “cool” right now, but how long until those same radicals attacking our collegiate systems will start decrying gay marriage, or call for the return of women to a place of marital servitude?

I am always surprise that history did not teach Jewish people anything. They massively voted for Biden despite the knowledge that Biden is not going to codify Row v. Wade and despite the knowledge that Biden (and Obama) sent billions to people who are killing Jewish now. Back then, American Jewish wasn't thinking that one day they will come for their children. This day came, your children are not only harassed but physically assaulted on US campuses, but Jewish people still will be in denial, just like they were in denial on their way to gas cameras.

The U.S. Navy - as directed by Biden - literally shot down Iranian sonic missiles in space that were headed for Israel. Biden saved Israel’s butt.

Yes, on election year.

Here's the rub: Biden instructed the U.S. Navy to shoot down Iranian missiles because it was the right thing to do.

Would President Trump do that? Or would he hold Israel hostage while Iranian missiles fall from the sky? What would Trump make Netanyahu promise in exchange for U.S. protection from Iranian hypersonic missiles falling from outer space?

If you support an Israeli homeland, you need to be very careful who you elect in November. This threat from Iran doesn't go away after November. And Trump will want something in return the next time Iran launches a volley of missiles.

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OP, think of it from the GOP’s perspective. Decades of unwavering support for Israel. Bush Junior sacrificed his presidency to get rid of Saddam Hussein, who was Israel’s greatest enemy at the time. Trump crushed ISIS in Syria and brokered the Abraham Accords.

What is the GOP’s reward? Never more than a third of the Jewish vote. Trump got 30% in 2020. And here we are again, like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown, “maybe this time…” And in November it’s a cascade of votes for the other side.