Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Lol anyone who thinks that BC has stronger students on average than ND is crazy. BC also has a football and basketball team btw - and they’re both ACC schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Also from US News:

Notre Dame #20
Boston College #39

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Also from US News:

Notre Dame #20
Boston College #39

As the relevance of the SAT increases, which US News disregards, more people are going to be paying attention to that than some equity ranking from US News. The importance of the SAT is now known, and it is a great metric to measure schools. At least on this point, BC>Notre Dame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Also from US News:

Notre Dame #20
Boston College #39

As the relevance of the SAT increases, which US News disregards, more people are going to be paying attention to that than some equity ranking from US News. The importance of the SAT is now known, and it is a great metric to measure schools. At least on this point, BC>Notre Dame.

And when USNWR starts using the SAT/ACT scores, it will push BC further down unfortunately. ND has always been and will continue to be higher in the scoring arena. From the CDS 25%-75%:

ND SAT 1450-1550
ND ACT 33-35

BC SAT 1430-1510
BC ACT 33-34

ND has been in top 20 for decades. BC has never even come close. BC will always be what it's letters stand for -- Backup College.

[Anonymous]

I really feel like the SAT or ACT should increase their ceiling; the crowding of >1500 scores is problematic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really feel like the SAT or ACT should increase their ceiling; the crowding of >1500 scores is problematic

Reintroduce essay, and stop essay asks by colleges

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Also from US News:

Notre Dame #20
Boston College #39

As the relevance of the SAT increases, which US News disregards, more people are going to be paying attention to that than some equity ranking from US News. The importance of the SAT is now known, and it is a great metric to measure schools. At least on this point, BC>Notre Dame.

And when USNWR starts using the SAT/ACT scores, it will push BC further down unfortunately. ND has always been and will continue to be higher in the scoring arena. From the CDS 25%-75%:

ND SAT 1450-1550
ND ACT 33-35

BC SAT 1430-1510
BC ACT 33-34

ND has been in top 20 for decades. BC has never even come close. BC will always be what it's letters stand for -- Backup College.

Let's look at what these schools' test scores look like just before test optional went into effect. This would be a more accurate way to evaluate the student body because all students were required to submit.

From the CDS 2019-20 (no test optional)

ND SAT 1410-1550
BC SAT 1370-1490

ND ACT 32-35
BC ACT 31-34

From the CDS 2022-23 (test optional)

ND SAT 1450-1550
BC SAT 1430-1510

ND ACT 33-35
BC ACT 33-34

Looks to me like BC relies more on test optional to boost test scores than ND does.

[Anonymous]

This thread is exhausting. So I’m going to stop at the 5 responses I already read, post this because I’m superior, and back out!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Also from US News:

Notre Dame #20
Boston College #39

As the relevance of the SAT increases, which US News disregards, more people are going to be paying attention to that than some equity ranking from US News. The importance of the SAT is now known, and it is a great metric to measure schools. At least on this point, BC>Notre Dame.

And when USNWR starts using the SAT/ACT scores, it will push BC further down unfortunately. ND has always been and will continue to be higher in the scoring arena. From the CDS 25%-75%:

ND SAT 1450-1550
ND ACT 33-35

BC SAT 1430-1510
BC ACT 33-34

ND has been in top 20 for decades. BC has never even come close. BC will always be what it's letters stand for -- Backup College.

Let's look at what these schools' test scores look like just before test optional went into effect. This would be a more accurate way to evaluate the student body because all students were required to submit.

From the CDS 2019-20 (no test optional)

ND SAT 1410-1550
BC SAT 1370-1490

ND ACT 32-35
BC ACT 31-34

From the CDS 2022-23 (test optional)

ND SAT 1450-1550
BC SAT 1430-1510

ND ACT 33-35
BC ACT 33-34

Looks to me like BC relies more on test optional to boost test scores than ND does.

In the last few years BC's attractiveness has really shot up. The pre-covid SAT's were from a long time ago. BC has Boston, Notre Dame is in South Bend. With TikTok, Instagram, people are drawn to BC, so sometimes things change and a school gets better. From 30 years ago BC has come a long way to where it is likely to surpass Notre Dame. It has too much going for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Also from US News:

Notre Dame #20
Boston College #39

As the relevance of the SAT increases, which US News disregards, more people are going to be paying attention to that than some equity ranking from US News. The importance of the SAT is now known, and it is a great metric to measure schools. At least on this point, BC>Notre Dame.

And when USNWR starts using the SAT/ACT scores, it will push BC further down unfortunately. ND has always been and will continue to be higher in the scoring arena. From the CDS 25%-75%:

ND SAT 1450-1550
ND ACT 33-35

BC SAT 1430-1510
BC ACT 33-34

ND has been in top 20 for decades. BC has never even come close. BC will always be what it's letters stand for -- Backup College.

Let's look at what these schools' test scores look like just before test optional went into effect. This would be a more accurate way to evaluate the student body because all students were required to submit.

From the CDS 2019-20 (no test optional)

ND SAT 1410-1550
BC SAT 1370-1490

ND ACT 32-35
BC ACT 31-34

From the CDS 2022-23 (test optional)

ND SAT 1450-1550
BC SAT 1430-1510

ND ACT 33-35
BC ACT 33-34

Looks to me like BC relies more on test optional to boost test scores than ND does.

In the last few years BC's attractiveness has really shot up. The pre-covid SAT's were from a long time ago. BC has Boston, Notre Dame is in South Bend. With TikTok, Instagram, people are drawn to BC, so sometimes things change and a school gets better. From 30 years ago BC has come a long way to where it is likely to surpass Notre Dame. It has too much going for it.

What got their popularity up is ED1 and ED2. Notre Dame doesn't have/need ED to attract students.

What I really want to see is both of these schools go back to tests required and see what that unveils in terms of strength of students. I'll bet it will be exactly the way it used to be...even more so now that BC has moved to ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Also from US News:

Notre Dame #20
Boston College #39

As the relevance of the SAT increases, which US News disregards, more people are going to be paying attention to that than some equity ranking from US News. The importance of the SAT is now known, and it is a great metric to measure schools. At least on this point, BC>Notre Dame.

And when USNWR starts using the SAT/ACT scores, it will push BC further down unfortunately. ND has always been and will continue to be higher in the scoring arena. From the CDS 25%-75%:

ND SAT 1450-1550
ND ACT 33-35

BC SAT 1430-1510
BC ACT 33-34

ND has been in top 20 for decades. BC has never even come close. BC will always be what it's letters stand for -- Backup College.

Let's look at what these schools' test scores look like just before test optional went into effect. This would be a more accurate way to evaluate the student body because all students were required to submit.

From the CDS 2019-20 (no test optional)

ND SAT 1410-1550
BC SAT 1370-1490

ND ACT 32-35
BC ACT 31-34

From the CDS 2022-23 (test optional)

ND SAT 1450-1550
BC SAT 1430-1510

ND ACT 33-35
BC ACT 33-34

Looks to me like BC relies more on test optional to boost test scores than ND does.

In the last few years BC's attractiveness has really shot up. The pre-covid SAT's were from a long time ago. BC has Boston, Notre Dame is in South Bend. With TikTok, Instagram, people are drawn to BC, so sometimes things change and a school gets better. From 30 years ago BC has come a long way to where it is likely to surpass Notre Dame. It has too much going for it.

NP no dog in the fight, I love Boston and BC is a good school. But it will Never Ever overtake Notre Dame, not in the next 30 years, and not in endowment, not in sports, not in resources, not in brand among Catholics. For kids with the grades to get into ND and Georgetown, BC is the backup. Sure there may one person who picks BC over the others, but most of the kids at BC either ED’ed to the school strategically, or they chose the school after getting declined by other schools higher ranked..

[Anonymous]

I think it's become a bit of a disgusting game. The test isn't about knowledge, it's about who paid most to retake over and over again to get absolute top scores. It weeds out a lot of kids who could absolutely do just as well at competitive schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Also from US News:

Notre Dame #20
Boston College #39

As the relevance of the SAT increases, which US News disregards, more people are going to be paying attention to that than some equity ranking from US News. The importance of the SAT is now known, and it is a great metric to measure schools. At least on this point, BC>Notre Dame.

And when USNWR starts using the SAT/ACT scores, it will push BC further down unfortunately. ND has always been and will continue to be higher in the scoring arena. From the CDS 25%-75%:

ND SAT 1450-1550
ND ACT 33-35

BC SAT 1430-1510
BC ACT 33-34

ND has been in top 20 for decades. BC has never even come close. BC will always be what it's letters stand for -- Backup College.

Let's look at what these schools' test scores look like just before test optional went into effect. This would be a more accurate way to evaluate the student body because all students were required to submit.

From the CDS 2019-20 (no test optional)

ND SAT 1410-1550
BC SAT 1370-1490

ND ACT 32-35
BC ACT 31-34

From the CDS 2022-23 (test optional)

ND SAT 1450-1550
BC SAT 1430-1510

ND ACT 33-35
BC ACT 33-34

Looks to me like BC relies more on test optional to boost test scores than ND does.

In the last few years BC's attractiveness has really shot up. The pre-covid SAT's were from a long time ago. BC has Boston, Notre Dame is in South Bend. With TikTok, Instagram, people are drawn to BC, so sometimes things change and a school gets better. From 30 years ago BC has come a long way to where it is likely to surpass Notre Dame. It has too much going for it.

What got their popularity up is ED1 and ED2. Notre Dame doesn't have/need ED to attract students.

What I really want to see is both of these schools go back to tests required and see what that unveils in terms of strength of students. I'll bet it will be exactly the way it used to be...even more so now that BC has moved to ED.

Why the focus on Boston College?

Did we miss something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's become a bit of a disgusting game. The test isn't about knowledge, it's about who paid most to retake over and over again to get absolute top scores. It weeds out a lot of kids who could absolutely do just as well at competitive schools.

And this thread is desperation to keep that all going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ND doesn't publish 50% average. they do publish 25% and 75%

SAT Evidence-Based Reading and
Writing 710 760
SAT Math 740 790

average likely over BC's

Not according to US News, which claims to have the data of the AVERAGE SAT.

Also from US News:

Notre Dame #20
Boston College #39

As the relevance of the SAT increases, which US News disregards, more people are going to be paying attention to that than some equity ranking from US News. The importance of the SAT is now known, and it is a great metric to measure schools. At least on this point, BC>Notre Dame.

And when USNWR starts using the SAT/ACT scores, it will push BC further down unfortunately. ND has always been and will continue to be higher in the scoring arena. From the CDS 25%-75%:

ND SAT 1450-1550
ND ACT 33-35

BC SAT 1430-1510
BC ACT 33-34

ND has been in top 20 for decades. BC has never even come close. BC will always be what it's letters stand for -- Backup College.

Let's look at what these schools' test scores look like just before test optional went into effect. This would be a more accurate way to evaluate the student body because all students were required to submit.

From the CDS 2019-20 (no test optional)

ND SAT 1410-1550
BC SAT 1370-1490

ND ACT 32-35
BC ACT 31-34

From the CDS 2022-23 (test optional)

ND SAT 1450-1550
BC SAT 1430-1510

ND ACT 33-35
BC ACT 33-34

Looks to me like BC relies more on test optional to boost test scores than ND does.

In the last few years BC's attractiveness has really shot up. The pre-covid SAT's were from a long time ago. BC has Boston, Notre Dame is in South Bend. With TikTok, Instagram, people are drawn to BC, so sometimes things change and a school gets better. From 30 years ago BC has come a long way to where it is likely to surpass Notre Dame. It has too much going for it.

NP no dog in the fight, I love Boston and BC is a good school. But it will Never Ever overtake Notre Dame, not in the next 30 years, and not in endowment, not in sports, not in resources, not in brand among Catholics. For kids with the grades to get into ND and Georgetown, BC is the backup. Sure there may one person who picks BC over the others, but most of the kids at BC either ED’ed to the school strategically, or they chose the school after getting declined by other schools higher ranked..

Keep telling yourself that. 30 years ago, the gulf between the two schools was enormous. Year by year it has been narrowing. Students from all over the world seek out schools in the US. As Catholic identity decreases year by year (as it has been demonstrably) BC will continue its ascent. It is a peer with Notre Dame right now. Professors want to live in Boston. BC has more upside.