They take rigorous classes, but not the most rigorous. The kids I know with 4.0s are very purposefully on mid-level math tracking so will taken AP Calc in 12th. AP Stats, AP Psych, APES, APUSH, AP Lang and Lit. Many avoid AP Chem and Physics. |
+1. And if done at a HS where this type of progression actually would be considered most rigorous, even better. |
What major? |
At our FCPS school, many stay away from AP Lang, AP LIT and AP Spanish and may try DE or honors because the teachers are known for harsh grading to preserve their GPA. |
Then they won’t get into UVA. It and Dean J have been very clear about that … for years |
Not sure what these PP’s are talking about…it’s perfectly doable while taking the most rigorous load and without luck. Beyond the obvious traits of being extremely intelligent the student does need to possess other skills not common in teenagers like being organized, deliberate, and engaging with the teachers like they care. I’m not talking Tracy Flick level of engaging but having the fortitude to ask questions and take the time to sit down and work through things. Time management and organizational skills are a game changer. My kid was 4.0/4.83 at with an extremely rigorous schedule. Gov. School, club/varsity captain, and a social life. 3.5 years through college and still has a 4.0 as a double major in chem and econ. Get your kids in organizational and time management classes early, will pay-off for life. |
Mine did private school, Eagle Scout, camps, summer college courses at NVCC, and took most rigorous curriculum at his private, studied hard and got a 36 ACT, was valedictorian and got into UVA. UVA is VERY TRANSPARENT about what it wants to see. Parents just have to read Dean J's notes and SCHEV and study Naviance or SCOIR. Or read this website. There are 100s of threads on the most rigorous box here. |
| You don’t need stats. You need a miracle these days. Good Luck! |
But they do get into UVA. AP Calc senior year is fine for non-engineering majors. Get with the program. |
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what about AP Stats instead of AP Calc for UVA? Does UVA consider AP Stats a math course?
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The key to getting into UVA is having the stats and applying ED.
ED. ED. ED. That is the secret. |
Agree. The kids I know with a 4.0 have studiously avoided certain classes and teachers. They’re clever and very intentional. They will drop down in rigor if they know the rigorous class has a tougher teacher. They will take AP classes in things they are not necessarily interested in because it’s an easy A. Etc. Mind you, this WORKS. Colleges like to see 4.0’s. Students are smart and catch on quickly on how to play the game. |
This. And come from a state where they get fewer applications and from a school where it’s easier to be at the “top of your class” (so, not a high SES high school but something with more achievement/goal diversity) |
Top of the class is much less important than ED, OP. We know first hand. |
There are countering experiences to every thing posted like this on a range of topics. Our 4.0 UW kid had the AP Physics, AP Chem, the AP English classes and the histories. The BC Calc in 11th, the DiffEQ in 12th. So the sweeping statements are just not applicable to all successful UVA applicants. Was it unforgiving? Yes. Were there difficult graders and personalities along the way? Yes. |