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Anonymous
Again, you are alluding to one of the most famous stories in the New Testament without realizing that Jesus directly addressed this. But you think you have a “gotcha” because you are totally unaware of what is in the Bible. Amazing. |
Anonymous
Including the shrimp |
Anonymous
Are you a ScHoLAr? |
Anonymous
If you are referring to John 8:3-7, then the same way he absolved the woman of her adultery, he can absolve men who are homosexual. None of us are without sin, and in the case of most homosexuals, very few of us have actually witnessed their acts of sodomy, so we are not fit to cast the first stone or accuse those of sins. So, what makes the woman's act of adultery any less sinful or less condemned than the homosexuality? I am aware of what the Bible says in John 8:3-7 and I believe that homosexuality falls in line with many other sins, like adultery, touching the skin of a dead pig, mixing crops, eating of animals with cloven hooves and that do not chew their cud (e.g. pigs), and a host of other completely obsolete measures from the Old Testament. |
Anonymous
Here is the quote: 8 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd. 4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?” 6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust. 9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?” 11 “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.” Jesus doesn’t condemn the woman. But he doesn’t say what she did is ok. He doesn’t say that there is a new rule that makes adultery ok. He tells her to go and sin no more. Jesus was the perfect embodiment of grace AND truth (John 1:17), not just one or the other. So we have to show grace to one another, but we cannot ignore the truth. It’s a very difficult balance. |
Anonymous
Also, sexual sin is not some obsolete “Old Testament” rule. Paul makes that extremely clear in Corinthians, quoted earlier. Sexual sin is not bad because we have a rule book that says so; this is a total misunderstanding of Christianity. It is “bad” because it is destructive to the individual themselves and their connection with God. ALL sin pulls us further from God, but we don’t get to pretend that it isn’t a sin. Jesus explained the “food rules” in Mark 7:18-19, where Jesus tells His disciples, “Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him; because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” |
Anonymous
Judge not and you shall not be judged. Let him/ her/ without sin cast the first stone. Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality one way or the other but had plenty to say about injustice, hypocrisy and lack of compassion for vulnerable people. Science reveals that predisposition to homosexuality is largely genetic and many youth who are GTLBQ+ face extreme challenges due to lack of social acceptance in their families and communities. I usually say something along these lines. I have family members who are devout homophobes so this topic does come up. |
Anonymous
Very few Christians (or Jews) take the Bible literally. Also, most Christians see Paul's letters as pastoral; Paul is not speaking for Jesus. Matthew 19 is about divorce, not homosexuality. As a pp said, it's unfortunate that you think you have "gotchas" when really you just don't understand the Bible or how most Christians use authors like Paul. Also, "divine" not "devine." |
Anonymous
No, he didn't "directly address" it. He said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" . That would be good advice for all of you homophobes, BTW! But he never said the law was wrong, and theoretically if one was without sin they could have fired away! He also said "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." So there's a contradiction to your claim, right from scripture. But that's not really important. The point is there is a ton of stuff in the bible that nearly everyone alive thinks is immoral, and does not endorse, but some like to cherry pick to support their own prejudices and biases. THAT'S the fact. THAT'S the "gotcha". But nobody "gotcha". You got yourselves. You don't follow the bible to the letter. Can we talk about shrimp now? Do you think it is OK to eat shrimp? |
Anonymous
This. A handful of posters think they can pull some stuff out of the Old Testament and toss in a line from Paul, but they're completely ignorant of what Jesus actually said about OT rules and about Paul's relationship to Jesus. Jesus broke OT rules all the time. He was widely criticized for not washing up as prescribed and for hanging out with unclean folks like tax collectors and prostitutes. |
Anonymous
1. Uh oh, don't let Communion taking Catholics see that. 2. Do you not understand that whatever part of a man that goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach or his long intestine, and is eliminated? |
Anonymous
What are you actually arguing here? That the Bible is homophobic? That people who read the Bible differently from you are homophobic? That we don’t need to follow the Bible? Or that homosexuality is ok, according to the Bible? I don’t know what you are trying to say other than insulting people. |
Anonymous
You're the expert and will be first in the receiving line. Enjoy! |
Anonymous
Then I will make it clear for you: People who use the bible to defend homophobia are immoral, hypocritcal, and wrong. Clear enough? |
Anonymous
DP - and what fulfills the laws is loving God with all your heart and mind and loving others as yourself. Loving others like yourself includes gays. No exceptions. If we all followed the Golden Rule, the world would be a much calmer and happier place for straights and gays. |