The Bible and Gays

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Anonymous wrote:I think of it as adultery. It’s a nonconforming act outside marriage. I don’t hate people who are gay and I wouldn’t discriminate against them but I believe it’s a sin so I’m
certainly not going to condone it. But I’m not the one committing it, so it’s between them and God. If this offends anyone, I don’t care, because I’m still treating them with the same respect I would anyone else but I have every right to believe it’s still a sin.

What if they are married?

NP. It’s not a Christian marriage to people who believe it is a sin.

You have to recognize that sin isn’t necessarily abhorrent behavior, the Greek origin of the term is “missing the mark,” or anything that draws you further from Christ. No one is condemned because Christ died for us, so no matter HOW sinful you are God still adores you. But a sin is still a sin.

Like judging which you do.

Judging who? Some actions are sins. Theft is a sin, gossip is a sin, etc. Only Catholics have “mortal sins” and “venal sins.” In reality sin is sin and only Jesus is perfect.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

12 “Everything is permissible for me,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me,” but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 “Food is for the stomach and the stomach for food,” and God will do away with both of them. However, the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 God raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. 15 Don’t you know that your bodies are a part of Christ’s body? So should I take a part of Christ’s body and make it part of a prostitute? Absolutely not! 16 Don’t you know that anyone joined to a prostitute is one body with her? For Scripture says, The two will become one flesh. 17 But anyone joined to the Lord is one spirit with him. 18 Flee sexual immorality! Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the person who is sexually immoral sins against his own body. 19 Don’t you know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought at a price. So glorify God with your body.

1 Corinthians 6:12-20

Jesus also thought that sex in marriage was also not good. Marriage is only for the weak. The only "hit on the mark" was to be celibate.

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman...

I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.

he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.

1 Corinthians 7.

Jesus never said that. Nor does your actual quote, either by itself or in context. Paul felt that unmarried people could focus less on the world, and more on their purpose in Christ, but he understood that most people want to have a sexual relationship on their lives and that trying to live celibate would be an actual hindrance. Read the Bible before you correct others.

Yes he did

I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

So is judging, jealousy, vanity … like getting your hair dyed, speeding, … tons of things you do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

Do you agree with everything the bible says?

Such as "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

No, of course you don't. You know that is immoral even though the bible says it's OK. So apparently you DO change your beliefs in contradiction to the bible. So why not for gay marriage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

Do you agree with everything the bible says?

Such as "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

No, of course you don't. You know that is immoral even though the bible says it's OK. So apparently you DO change your beliefs in contradiction to the bible. So why not for gay marriage?

We all know the answer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

Do you agree with everything the bible says?

Such as "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

No, of course you don't. You know that is immoral even though the bible says it's OK. So apparently you DO change your beliefs in contradiction to the bible. So why not for gay marriage?

We all know the answer.

I don’t know why the choose to be bigoted do you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think of it as adultery. It’s a nonconforming act outside marriage. I don’t hate people who are gay and I wouldn’t discriminate against them but I believe it’s a sin so I’m
certainly not going to condone it. But I’m not the one committing it, so it’s between them and God. If this offends anyone, I don’t care, because I’m still treating them with the same respect I would anyone else but I have every right to believe it’s still a sin.

What if they are married?

NP. It’s not a Christian marriage to people who believe it is a sin.

You have to recognize that sin isn’t necessarily abhorrent behavior, the Greek origin of the term is “missing the mark,” or anything that draws you further from Christ. No one is condemned because Christ died for us, so no matter HOW sinful you are God still adores you. But a sin is still a sin.

Like judging which you do.

Judging who? Some actions are sins. Theft is a sin, gossip is a sin, etc. Only Catholics have “mortal sins” and “venal sins.” In reality sin is sin and only Jesus is perfect.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

12 “Everything is permissible for me,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me,” but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 “Food is for the stomach and the stomach for food,” and God will do away with both of them. However, the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 God raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. 15 Don’t you know that your bodies are a part of Christ’s body? So should I take a part of Christ’s body and make it part of a prostitute? Absolutely not! 16 Don’t you know that anyone joined to a prostitute is one body with her? For Scripture says, The two will become one flesh. 17 But anyone joined to the Lord is one spirit with him. 18 Flee sexual immorality! Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the person who is sexually immoral sins against his own body. 19 Don’t you know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought at a price. So glorify God with your body.

1 Corinthians 6:12-20

Jesus also thought that sex in marriage was also not good. Marriage is only for the weak. The only "hit on the mark" was to be celibate.

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman...

I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.

he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.

1 Corinthians 7.

Jesus never said that. Nor does your actual quote, either by itself or in context. Paul felt that unmarried people could focus less on the world, and more on their purpose in Christ, but he understood that most people want to have a sexual relationship on their lives and that trying to live celibate would be an actual hindrance. Read the Bible before you correct others.

Yes he did

I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord

DP. Way to quote Paul (1st Corinthians) and pretend Jesus said that. Either you're really dishonest, or you don't understand the New Testament at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

Do you agree with everything the bible says?

Such as "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

No, of course you don't. You know that is immoral even though the bible says it's OK. So apparently you DO change your beliefs in contradiction to the bible. So why not for gay marriage?

DP. Lots of Christians think that when Jesus got rid of purity and dietary laws, he also got rid of the other Old Testament stuff like that and also about what clothing you wear, etc. It's part of a move from the Old Testament God to a more loving and forgiving New Testament God.

(Incoming: DCUM's non-Christian who always insists that Jesus didn't actually get rid of dietary laws and there's a church in rural South Carolina with 8 members, two of whom are definitely not part of the pastor's family, to prove it. Tl;dr: you're wrong, and you're also ridiculous.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

Do you agree with everything the bible says?

Such as "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

No, of course you don't. You know that is immoral even though the bible says it's OK. So apparently you DO change your beliefs in contradiction to the bible. So why not for gay marriage?

DP. Lots of Christians think that when Jesus got rid of purity and dietary laws, he also got rid of the other Old Testament stuff like that and also about what clothing you wear, etc. It's part of a move from the Old Testament God to a more loving and forgiving New Testament God.

(Incoming: DCUM's non-Christian who always insists that Jesus didn't actually get rid of dietary laws and there's a church in rural South Carolina with 8 members, two of whom are definitely not part of the pastor's family, to prove it. Tl;dr: you're wrong, and you're also ridiculous.)

But then why be selective about old testament, and specifically Leviticus 20:13? How can you tell what Jesus got rid of and what he didn't?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

The Bible also condemns adultery. Should adulterers be forbidden to remarry? Leviticus 20:10 says that anyone who is married having sex with someone outside their marriage, should be put to death. So, does that mean you also condemn adultery and believe that the participants be put to death?

[Anonymous]

People who refused to engage their brains, and use conveniently invented "religious" "principles" to justify their terrible behavior should be shunned and mocked. You can't reason someone out of a belief they didn't reason themselves into.

Put it on blast:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of it as adultery. It’s a nonconforming act outside marriage. I don’t hate people who are gay and I wouldn’t discriminate against them but I believe it’s a sin so I’m
certainly not going to condone it. But I’m not the one committing it, so it’s between them and God. If this offends anyone, I don’t care, because I’m still treating them with the same respect I would anyone else but I have every right to believe it’s still a sin.

What if they are married?

NP. It’s not a Christian marriage to people who believe it is a sin.

You have to recognize that sin isn’t necessarily abhorrent behavior, the Greek origin of the term is “missing the mark,” or anything that draws you further from Christ. No one is condemned because Christ died for us, so no matter HOW sinful you are God still adores you. But a sin is still a sin.

Like judging which you do.

Judging who? Some actions are sins. Theft is a sin, gossip is a sin, etc. Only Catholics have “mortal sins” and “venal sins.” In reality sin is sin and only Jesus is perfect.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

12 “Everything is permissible for me,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me,” but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 “Food is for the stomach and the stomach for food,” and God will do away with both of them. However, the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 God raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. 15 Don’t you know that your bodies are a part of Christ’s body? So should I take a part of Christ’s body and make it part of a prostitute? Absolutely not! 16 Don’t you know that anyone joined to a prostitute is one body with her? For Scripture says, The two will become one flesh. 17 But anyone joined to the Lord is one spirit with him. 18 Flee sexual immorality! Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the person who is sexually immoral sins against his own body. 19 Don’t you know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought at a price. So glorify God with your body.

1 Corinthians 6:12-20

Jesus also thought that sex in marriage was also not good. Marriage is only for the weak. The only "hit on the mark" was to be celibate.

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman...

I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.

he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.

1 Corinthians 7.

Jesus never said that. Nor does your actual quote, either by itself or in context. Paul felt that unmarried people could focus less on the world, and more on their purpose in Christ, but he understood that most people want to have a sexual relationship on their lives and that trying to live celibate would be an actual hindrance. Read the Bible before you correct others.

Yes he did

I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord

DP. Way to quote Paul (1st Corinthians) and pretend Jesus said that. Either you're really dishonest, or you don't understand the New Testament at all.

The Bible is Devine so God said it through Paul, Jesus is god.

Jesus said it in Matthew 19 if you need the Jesus who walk in earth to say it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

Do you agree with everything the bible says?

Such as "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

No, of course you don't. You know that is immoral even though the bible says it's OK. So apparently you DO change your beliefs in contradiction to the bible. So why not for gay marriage?

DP. Lots of Christians think that when Jesus got rid of purity and dietary laws, he also got rid of the other Old Testament stuff like that and also about what clothing you wear, etc. It's part of a move from the Old Testament God to a more loving and forgiving New Testament God.

(Incoming: DCUM's non-Christian who always insists that Jesus didn't actually get rid of dietary laws and there's a church in rural South Carolina with 8 members, two of whom are definitely not part of the pastor's family, to prove it. Tl;dr: you're wrong, and you're also ridiculous.)

But then why be selective about old testament, and specifically Leviticus 20:13? How can you tell what Jesus got rid of and what he didn't?

I think this is where the difficulty of discussing religion on this board really comes in. The answer to this question is in the Bible, as plain as can be. You could google and the answer would be right there. But you may not believe in the Bible, which is fine, but another argument entirely. But all of these types of questions have been asked and answered- either directly in the Bible or through centuries of scholarship. So an interesting debate would be between 2 people who understand what is in the Bible. But most of the people on this thread just find it silly and stupid. So there’s nothing to debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

The Bible also condemns adultery. Should adulterers be forbidden to remarry? Leviticus 20:10 says that anyone who is married having sex with someone outside their marriage, should be put to death. So, does that mean you also condemn adultery and believe that the participants be put to death?

He also condemns the non-virgin getting married.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

Do you agree with everything the bible says?

Such as "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

No, of course you don't. You know that is immoral even though the bible says it's OK. So apparently you DO change your beliefs in contradiction to the bible. So why not for gay marriage?

DP. Lots of Christians think that when Jesus got rid of purity and dietary laws, he also got rid of the other Old Testament stuff like that and also about what clothing you wear, etc. It's part of a move from the Old Testament God to a more loving and forgiving New Testament God.

(Incoming: DCUM's non-Christian who always insists that Jesus didn't actually get rid of dietary laws and there's a church in rural South Carolina with 8 members, two of whom are definitely not part of the pastor's family, to prove it. Tl;dr: you're wrong, and you're also ridiculous.)

But then why be selective about old testament, and specifically Leviticus 20:13? How can you tell what Jesus got rid of and what he didn't?

I think this is where the difficulty of discussing religion on this board really comes in. The answer to this question is in the Bible, as plain as can be. You could google and the answer would be right there. But you may not believe in the Bible, which is fine, but another argument entirely. But all of these types of questions have been asked and answered- either directly in the Bible or through centuries of scholarship. So an interesting debate would be between 2 people who understand what is in the Bible. But most of the people on this thread just find it silly and stupid. So there’s nothing to debate.

Do you are waving the white flag in the face of your own hypocrisy.

I accept your surrender and defeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you respond to religious folks who feel that they have to condemn gay relationships because the Bible says so?

I condemn a lot of things because the Bible says so, murder, stealing, lying. How do you respond when i condemn those? Homosexual acts is just another one on the list. I’m not going to change my religious beliefs because you feel bad.

Do you agree with everything the bible says?

Such as "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

No, of course you don't. You know that is immoral even though the bible says it's OK. So apparently you DO change your beliefs in contradiction to the bible. So why not for gay marriage?

DP. Lots of Christians think that when Jesus got rid of purity and dietary laws, he also got rid of the other Old Testament stuff like that and also about what clothing you wear, etc. It's part of a move from the Old Testament God to a more loving and forgiving New Testament God.

(Incoming: DCUM's non-Christian who always insists that Jesus didn't actually get rid of dietary laws and there's a church in rural South Carolina with 8 members, two of whom are definitely not part of the pastor's family, to prove it. Tl;dr: you're wrong, and you're also ridiculous.)

But then why be selective about old testament, and specifically Leviticus 20:13? How can you tell what Jesus got rid of and what he didn't?

I think this is where the difficulty of discussing religion on this board really comes in. The answer to this question is in the Bible, as plain as can be. You could google and the answer would be right there. But you may not believe in the Bible, which is fine, but another argument entirely. But all of these types of questions have been asked and answered- either directly in the Bible or through centuries of scholarship. So an interesting debate would be between 2 people who understand what is in the Bible. But most of the people on this thread just find it silly and stupid. So there’s nothing to debate.

Do you are waving the white flag in the face of your own hypocrisy.

I accept your surrender and defeat.

Ok. 👍