Penny pincher DD wants to study in Europe

[Anonymous]

US Medical schools will be unaccredited in many states if Republicans win.

And yes this will happen. What do you all think will happen when Religious shits take over colleges. Science goes out the window.

I would let her go.

[Anonymous]

I would encourage country of origin post hS study for most subjects, but never in medicine. As others have pointed out, there are many hoops to jump thru just to become qualified in the US thereafter. Its' not worth it.

We are US citizens from the UK. Our kid is applying to UK universities next round and even paying the international fees, which we'll have to do, it will be less expensive over 3 years than paying in-state fees here I the US.

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Anonymous wrote:She's smart to be a miser. Med school debt is a major source of grief for US doctors.

The only thing that gives me pause is that you said the program starts after high school. So she wouldn't do undergrad at all? I would worry about maturity and her socio-emotional development. No one wants a Dougie Houser, MD.

In the vast majority of the world, medicine is an undergraduate degree. The US is an outlier.

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Anonymous wrote:US Medical schools will be unaccredited in many states if Republicans win.

And yes this will happen. What do you all think will happen when Religious shits take over colleges. Science goes out the window.

I would let her go.

Link?

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Are you talking about the cessation of fed funds for schools with DEI programs?

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Anonymous wrote:I would make sure it works out in terms of requirements, actually being able to do a residency in the US after. Is this easy to do? I thought there was a matching process for residency.

Im an FMG, went to top 3 residency at an ivy, granted had usmle 1 and 2 99th percentile, letters of rec
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Anonymous wrote:I would encourage country of origin post hS study for most subjects, but never in medicine. As others have pointed out, there are many hoops to jump thru just to become qualified in the US thereafter. Its' not worth it.

We are US citizens from the UK. Our kid is applying to UK universities next round and even paying the international fees, which we'll have to do, it will be less expensive over 3 years than paying in-state fees here I the US.

actually it only makes sense to study medicine in eastern europe and nothing else

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Anonymous wrote:Where does she plan to practice medicine?

In the US. The plan is to apply for residence here.

Good luck with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does she plan to practice medicine?

In the US. The plan is to apply for residence here.

Good luck with that.

Why? Nearly 70% applicants for residency who are trained abroad get them.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does she plan to practice medicine?

In the US. The plan is to apply for residence here.

Good luck with that.

Why? Nearly 70% applicants for residency who are trained abroad get them.

NP. You say that like it's a good thing? That means almost 1 in 3 of these people go all the way through medical school and then can't practice as a US doctor. A medical degree without a residency is worthless in the US. You think it's a good idea to waste 4 years of your life in school and however much money it is (even foreign medical school is not free) to run a 33% risk of not having that career? Those are actually really bad odds. And many of the residencies that take more international medical graduates suck and are low caliber training and lots of scut work. Nobody thinks it will be them until it is, and 1 in 3 to throw away years of schooling and earning and have to go in another direction with that failure on your back is not odds I like.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does she plan to practice medicine?

In the US. The plan is to apply for residence here.

Good luck with that.

Why? Nearly 70% applicants for residency who are trained abroad get them.

NP. You say that like it's a good thing? That means almost 1 in 3 of these people go all the way through medical school and then can't practice as a US doctor. A medical degree without a residency is worthless in the US. You think it's a good idea to waste 4 years of your life in school and however much money it is (even foreign medical school is not free) to run a 33% risk of not having that career? Those are actually really bad odds. And many of the residencies that take more international medical graduates suck and are low caliber training and lots of scut work. Nobody thinks it will be them until it is, and 1 in 3 to throw away years of schooling and earning and have to go in another direction with that failure on your back is not odds I like.

1. if you dont match you can get a phd and do research.
2. I am an FMG, I prepared for my usmle at Kaplan, I did an 8 week live-in residential course for part 1 and then part 2...im surprised that even 70 percent match--half couldnt speak english and 1/3 seemed to have unmedicated mental illness(nothing wrong with mental illness, however you have to treat it to be able to work LOL) , im sorry the bar is VERY low.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does she plan to practice medicine?

In the US. The plan is to apply for residence here.

Good luck with that.

Why? Nearly 70% applicants for residency who are trained abroad get them.

NP. You say that like it's a good thing? That means almost 1 in 3 of these people go all the way through medical school and then can't practice as a US doctor. A medical degree without a residency is worthless in the US. You think it's a good idea to waste 4 years of your life in school and however much money it is (even foreign medical school is not free) to run a 33% risk of not having that career? Those are actually really bad odds. And many of the residencies that take more international medical graduates suck and are low caliber training and lots of scut work. Nobody thinks it will be them until it is, and 1 in 3 to throw away years of schooling and earning and have to go in another direction with that failure on your back is not odds I like.

1. if you dont match you can get a phd and do research.
2. I am an FMG, I prepared for my usmle at Kaplan, I did an 8 week live-in residential course for part 1 and then part 2...im surprised that even 70 percent match--half couldnt speak english and 1/3 seemed to have unmedicated mental illness(nothing wrong with mental illness, however you have to treat it to be able to work LOL) , im sorry the bar is VERY low.

or you can get a business masters and do pharmaceuticals sales

[Anonymous]

a foreign medical degree without a match is better than an undergrad premed without getting into medical school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US Medical schools will be unaccredited in many states if Republicans win.

And yes this will happen. What do you all think will happen when Religious shits take over colleges. Science goes out the window.

I would let her go.

I don't think many people realize just how destructive Republican plans are for our country. As they lay out in Project 2025 and elsewhere, they plan to reshape our society and take money from private school endownents to create their own "non-woke" institute, and have their "religious" views permeate nearly everything.

[Anonymous]

An American friend’s NYC raised child is dual US/Austalian. He decided to pursue his degree in Melbourne. 6 years combo total, not 8. And the tuition is subsidized by the govt. So his total tuition costs will average about (US)$12K per year. That 6 yr total $72K fees is in the form of a loan from the govt that gets repaid thru future taxation of income. Or he can pay it upfront as he goes and have zero debt.

So a complete medical degree for the cost of one year undegraduate at a private US college of similar repute to University of Melbourne. (Hovers around #30 on the global university ranking lists. Amazing.) Recapture two years opportunity cost. This makes it absolutely worth the effort/time/exams that will need to be undertaken to then get licensed in the US. It is possible and worth it.

For social support and a “college experience”, he lives on campus in an old sandstone college with peers, meals, tutors, sports. The works. Modeled on the college system at Oxbridge. And Melbourne is a very cool city. Cost is (US)$25K and he will do this for two years, then get an apartment with friends. I think you need to pay to live/be housed/eat no matter what. So this cost is what it is.

My point? We are doing it wrong in the US. If money is even slightly an issue, and she does not want a lifetime of debt, taking advantage of her dual citizen ship is smart. That effort she will need to put in to then be recognized as a doctor in the US has a meaningful value. By my calculations, it is about (US)$600,000.

Maybe she’s a genius, not a miser? Geniuses do well in med school. Go get it!