Penny pincher DD wants to study in Europe

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Anonymous wrote:I would not advise you. It is very hard to get residency for foreign educated (even you pass all the exams). She might look into like NYU or other schools that have low tuition for doctors.

in 2023, 67% got matched:

https://www.intealth.org/Match2023Infographic.pdf?utm_source=website&utm_medium=infographic&utm_campaign=match2023

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Anonymous wrote:Go to NYU. Didn't they waive medical school costs? I remember seeing something about that.

Yes. If you think medical school is hard to get into, now try NYU with free tuition.
I mean it’s a great option IF you can get in.

perhaps i am in the wrong, but the odds of getting residency as a foreign educated MD seems to me to be much higher than the odds of getting accepted to the program such as NYU.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to NYU. Didn't they waive medical school costs? I remember seeing something about that.

Yes. If you think medical school is hard to get into, now try NYU with free tuition.
I mean it’s a great option IF you can get in.

perhaps i am in the wrong, but the odds of getting residency as a foreign educated MD seems to me to be much higher than the odds of getting accepted to the program such as NYU.

NP here - that is true, but she will know after 4 years of college if she gets into med school, and will also be able to assess how strong of a candidate she is for med school based on grades and MCAT. She won't risk throwing away 6 years at a school that is not marketable in the US, and then not matching into any residency and having to either practice abroad or switch to an entirely new career.

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Anonymous wrote:all my doctors were educated abroad. I'm sure there's some hurdles getting residency here, but she can do her homework on that. I think saving money and living in Europe are two big pluses.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not advise you. It is very hard to get residency for foreign educated (even you pass all the exams). She might look into like NYU or other schools that have low tuition for doctors.

in 2023, 67% got matched:

https://www.intealth.org/Match2023Infographic.pdf?utm_source=website&utm_medium=infographic&utm_campaign=match2023

This is probably the floor, since it doesn't include the match after the scramble (or the SOAP or whatever it's called now). Even more matches are made at that time.

OP, I would 100% let her do this. It's similar to the system in India, and in terms of the ability of the physicians, there are no differences between the ones that went to school here, and the ones that went elsewhere. On the odd chance that she doesn't match in her residency, she will have to work a year (cannot practice medicine, but can and should work in a clinical environment), pass her USMLE Step 3 during that year, and re-apply. Her odds of getting a match will go up simply because she passed Step 3.

Where I feel there is a significant drawback to being a foreign graduate, is when it comes which residencies you will match with. By and large, foreign graduates will not be competitive for the most sought after residencies (plastics, neuro, derm, etc.) so she would essentially have to be content with something like emergency medicine, internal medicine, family medicine, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:She's smart to be a miser. Med school debt is a major source of grief for US doctors.

The only thing that gives me pause is that you said the program starts after high school. So she wouldn't do undergrad at all? I would worry about maturity and her socio-emotional development. No one wants a Dougie Houser, MD.

This is how it's done in Europe. Some countries do things differently than in the U.S.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to NYU. Didn't they waive medical school costs? I remember seeing something about that.

Sure, no problem. They had a 1% admissions rate last year. OP's daughter will sign on up.

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In India, students go to medical school after 12th grade.

Go to India if you can.

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I would have her outline to you the plan, including her USMLE timeline, so that you know she’s got a good understanding of what this will take. Also have her outline what a plan might be *if* she struggles with matching or otherwise as an FMG.

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I know of many arranged marriages in the US amongst Indian-Americans where the spouse is a Dr from India and they came can got recertified here very easily.

Indian education system is very rigorous, so to come to US and retake exams and do their residency is a piece of cake.

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In the same position ---problem is socially its a huge change, misses out on the US dating /friend scene...Eastern Europe here...my son is a str8 A student with the most rigorous courses in HS currently,so could get into very good us college...*depending on sat

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You might want to pose your question on studentdoctornetwork.com.

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Do you have any trusted family there who will keep an eye on whether she's struggling or needs help?

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Anonymous wrote:Where does she plan to practice medicine?

In the US. The plan is to apply for residence here.

If that falls through, would she be willing to practice in the home country or another country that imports doctors?

no, not really. she doesn't hate it, but very much prefers to work and live in the US. she is a bit of a miser, and obviously, the cost of schooling is very significant even if she weren't. it's also a shorter program (6 years total) that starts after high school, with only one admissions cycle.

Is she certain she can get a residency in the US? It seems hard to believe she’d be 6 years past high school and be allowed. Or that those credentials would “count” in the US

we are not doctors. we do know some people from croatia who did this as immigrants. i.e. born there, went to school there, then applied for residency in the US etc. it seems to have worked for them beautifully.

the difference is, she is an american kid. i am also worried to let her live alone there. she would not be on campus, it's a different system, the exams are very demanding, there is no campus life, advisors, no sense of community, sport teams etc. there are also no general requirements or fun classes, it's all science and medicine. these are their first year textbooks (in english):

https://mse.mef.unizg.hr/app/uploads/2022/11/LIST-OF-TEXTBOOKS-1st-year-2022-2023.pdf

It may help that her medical education would be in English, so there wouldn't be any language barriers when she goes to apply for a residency.

As long as you help her understand the differences, it's really her decision to forego the American college experience in order to reach her goal, right? Some kids are just built differently, and yours may be one of them. Does she speak Croatian? I gather fluency wouldn't be strictly necessary in Zagreb, but being comfortable with the language might help her feel a bit more at home, and open up some options to fill what little free time she'll have with something fun.

I'd look into the international reputation of the school, though. Is it considered rigorous and/or prestigious enough that a US residency program would have no hesitation about her preparation? Is there enough overlap in the curriculum that she'll be prepared for certification in the US, or will she need additional coursework or prep classes to fill in gaps?

The school probably has data on where their graduates end up, so I'd start there. Ask whether they've had graduates obtain residency in the US, and what the timeline for that looks like (in other words, were they able to go straight into a residency, or was there a gap?).

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LOLing at the people who said getting a residency will be tough and then proposing NYU for med school, which is about the hardest to get into now.