What am I missing about White Lotus?

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Anonymous wrote:I think some shows are a little slow to get going, so it’s fair to ask if you should stick with it. I don’t think this is one of those shows though. It’s a slow-paced social satire that asks you to study the human behavior of wealthy people like you might study gorillas or something. I think you’re either fascinated by what Mike White is going for here or you’re not.

It's fair to ask if you should stick with it - but probably not after saying you think it's bad, childish, boring, and only for Gen Z. You're just insulting everyone who likes the show while also waiting for us all to say, "you're so much smarter than we are, you should just go read some shakespeare instead of watching this show we all love because we are mush-brained idiots."

If you don't like a show you don't like a show. I gave up on Shogun halfway through the first ep because I got so disturbed by the torture scene. I know - it's a great show! Andor, too, I just can't get into. But I'm not going to come on here and insult everyone who likes it while demanding they tell me if I should keep going with this beloved property that I can certainly see that a lot of people enjoy a lot more than I do.

It's ok if something is not for you. It doesn't make you better or worse than the people who like it.

You are WAY too triggered. It’s okay to like entertaining garbage, but it’s silly to think that someone else pointing out that it’s garbage is a personal insult. I also gave up on Shogun, because it’s in the same vein as White Lotus - it’s a turd wrapped in shiny gift wrap. Same with Squid Game.

I actually find it disturbing that the general population seems to be losing its collective ability to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to art.

you are so elevated. so elevated. you should just program our lives, good brilliant one. tell us the wheat from the chaff - we're too stupid, too limited, to do it ourselves.

The PP shows up on various threads to make sure to tell everyone how stupid and uncultured they are - unlike her, of course. It's pretty amusing.

You do realize that many people recognize shows like White Lotus as the vapid garbage that they are, don’t you?

Or do you really believe that there is just one person on all of DCUM who thinks you have shitty taste?

It's so curious how you always show up on threads about shows you find "beneath you." When I don't like a show, I skip any discussion of it. Not you though!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t have to like everything that is popular. I have seen people post on here numerous times about how good Schitts Creek is. I tried twice; couldn’t get past the 3rd episode. I hated it. It’s just wasn’t for me.

Exactly. I HATED Schitt's Creek, and tried so hard to get into it. Awful. But I loved The Leftovers so much - some of the best TV I've ever seen - and I know a lot of people hated that. So...

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Season 1 has the best writing.

One theme of season 1 is about how people delude themselves and compromie. Some interesting conversations which bring up surprises and inconvenient truths; for instance, Alexandria Daddario's conversation with Connie Britton about the article she wrote. It's satirical and the people are not likeable.

I didn't like season 2.

I'm enjoying season 3 but I don't think it's as good as season 1. I do really like many of the actors and think they're giving amazing performances. The three women are very funny.

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Anonymous wrote:I loved it from the first episode. It may not be for you.

I travelled a lot in high end places when I was dating someone who made a lot of money. If you haven't done that, or worked in one of these places, it may not resonate as much with you.

Good god you status obsessed strivers are so transparent. Yes, people who don’t “get” your cringy soap opera written by a gay man must be proles who’ve never been anywhere. lol

What does the writer being gay have anything to do with anything? Wut

Same reason SATC was rubbish. What does a childless gay bachelor know about about relationships, marriages, kids, and families? Absolutely nothing. The show is nothing but degenerate rubbish. But it’s always humorous to see the nitwit proles convince themselves they’re watching genius.

Rubbish! Rubbish, I tell you!

--a nitwit prole

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think some shows are a little slow to get going, so it’s fair to ask if you should stick with it. I don’t think this is one of those shows though. It’s a slow-paced social satire that asks you to study the human behavior of wealthy people like you might study gorillas or something. I think you’re either fascinated by what Mike White is going for here or you’re not.

It's fair to ask if you should stick with it - but probably not after saying you think it's bad, childish, boring, and only for Gen Z. You're just insulting everyone who likes the show while also waiting for us all to say, "you're so much smarter than we are, you should just go read some shakespeare instead of watching this show we all love because we are mush-brained idiots."

If you don't like a show you don't like a show. I gave up on Shogun halfway through the first ep because I got so disturbed by the torture scene. I know - it's a great show! Andor, too, I just can't get into. But I'm not going to come on here and insult everyone who likes it while demanding they tell me if I should keep going with this beloved property that I can certainly see that a lot of people enjoy a lot more than I do.

It's ok if something is not for you. It doesn't make you better or worse than the people who like it.

You are WAY too triggered. It’s okay to like entertaining garbage, but it’s silly to think that someone else pointing out that it’s garbage is a personal insult. I also gave up on Shogun, because it’s in the same vein as White Lotus - it’s a turd wrapped in shiny gift wrap. Same with Squid Game.

I actually find it disturbing that the general population seems to be losing its collective ability to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to art.

you are so elevated. so elevated. you should just program our lives, good brilliant one. tell us the wheat from the chaff - we're too stupid, too limited, to do it ourselves.

The PP shows up on various threads to make sure to tell everyone how stupid and uncultured they are - unlike her, of course. It's pretty amusing.

You do realize that many people recognize shows like White Lotus as the vapid garbage that they are, don’t you?

Or do you really believe that there is just one person on all of DCUM who thinks you have shitty taste?

It's so curious how you always show up on threads about shows you find "beneath you." When I don't like a show, I skip any discussion of it. Not you though!

I have never posted about a show before. You must be beyond stupid to think that you can positively identify a single poster on an anonymous message board. I guess that explains why you find White Lotus intellectually stimulating.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some shows are a little slow to get going, so it’s fair to ask if you should stick with it. I don’t think this is one of those shows though. It’s a slow-paced social satire that asks you to study the human behavior of wealthy people like you might study gorillas or something. I think you’re either fascinated by what Mike White is going for here or you’re not.

It's fair to ask if you should stick with it - but probably not after saying you think it's bad, childish, boring, and only for Gen Z. You're just insulting everyone who likes the show while also waiting for us all to say, "you're so much smarter than we are, you should just go read some shakespeare instead of watching this show we all love because we are mush-brained idiots."

If you don't like a show you don't like a show. I gave up on Shogun halfway through the first ep because I got so disturbed by the torture scene. I know - it's a great show! Andor, too, I just can't get into. But I'm not going to come on here and insult everyone who likes it while demanding they tell me if I should keep going with this beloved property that I can certainly see that a lot of people enjoy a lot more than I do.

It's ok if something is not for you. It doesn't make you better or worse than the people who like it.

You are WAY too triggered. It’s okay to like entertaining garbage, but it’s silly to think that someone else pointing out that it’s garbage is a personal insult. I also gave up on Shogun, because it’s in the same vein as White Lotus - it’s a turd wrapped in shiny gift wrap. Same with Squid Game.

I actually find it disturbing that the general population seems to be losing its collective ability to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to art.

you are so elevated. so elevated. you should just program our lives, good brilliant one. tell us the wheat from the chaff - we're too stupid, too limited, to do it ourselves.

The PP shows up on various threads to make sure to tell everyone how stupid and uncultured they are - unlike her, of course. It's pretty amusing.

You do realize that many people recognize shows like White Lotus as the vapid garbage that they are, don’t you?

Or do you really believe that there is just one person on all of DCUM who thinks you have shitty taste?

It's so curious how you always show up on threads about shows you find "beneath you." When I don't like a show, I skip any discussion of it. Not you though!

I have never posted about a show before. You must be beyond stupid to think that you can positively identify a single poster on an anonymous message board. I guess that explains why you find White Lotus intellectually stimulating.

Riiiiiight... Nice try!

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have to like everything that is popular. I have seen people post on here numerous times about how good Schitts Creek is. I tried twice; couldn’t get past the 3rd episode. I hated it. It’s just wasn’t for me.

I love White Lotus but felt the same way about Schitts Creek. A lot of people I knew raved about it so I really tried to get into it because it's fun to be into the same shows your friends and family are watching. I just couldn't do it.

Yet I really enjoyed White Lotus from the jump. I think it's funny and interesting and I like how it shows aspects of relationships that don't get depicted onscreen very often. Like I liked that the newlyweds in S1 focused on her discovering he has this really problematic character trait (incredibly petty and thin skinned) and realizing she kind of rushed into this marriage, and having to figure out how to deal with that. Or how in S2 there were the two guys who had been friends since college and had this subtle rivalry that was now complicated by the "beta" friend suddenly becoming very, very rich. I just find that stuff thought provoking because those nuanced situations rarely get featured in a TV show -- usually relationships are drawn more broadly than that. It reminded me of how some of my favorite books portray very complicated relationships between multidimensional people.

And then in addition to that, I find the show really laugh out loud funny sometimes. So just enjoyable all around. Whereas Schitt's Creek, which was actually written as a comedy, never made me laugh. But again, lots of people whose opinions I respect love that show. Different strokes for different folks.

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Anonymous wrote:I loved it from the first episode. It may not be for you.

I travelled a lot in high end places when I was dating someone who made a lot of money. If you haven't done that, or worked in one of these places, it may not resonate as much with you.

Good god you status obsessed strivers are so transparent. Yes, people who don’t “get” your cringy soap opera written by a gay man must be proles who’ve never been anywhere. lol

What does the writer being gay have anything to do with anything? Wut

Same reason SATC was rubbish. What does a childless gay bachelor know about about relationships, marriages, kids, and families? Absolutely nothing. The show is nothing but degenerate rubbish. But it’s always humorous to see the nitwit proles convince themselves they’re watching genius.

I agree on SATC, which I found deeply unrealistic about both dating and female friendships -- a strange fantasy.

But Mike White is a thoughtful observer of relationships, marriages, kids and families. He has a really interesting background and upbringing, which I think is a big part of it. His dad was an evangelical preacher who came out as gay, late in life. White was actually one of the first people to learn his dad was gay, because he read some of his dad's journals as a kid. Later on, White watched his dad come out publicly, and the impact on his career as a preacher and relationships with people from the evangelical community. Then also watching his parents divorce over this (amicably) and then his dad beginning to date men in midlife. I think through all of this, Mike White was observing how everyone in his family and community reacted to these events, with curiosity and not judgment. Growing up in a family with those kind of dramatic shifts in relationships and identity, but still retaining a loving, supportive family (from the sound of it) I think helped White develop his style as a filmmaker and storyteller, where he is often looking for the raw truth at the heart of a relationship, underneath what people might say or present to the world publicly, but he isn't judgmental or shaming about it.

His show Enlightened has a similar outlook to White Lotus but, IMO, a much more optimistic tone. Also he is able to dive in deeper on the characters because it's focused on one woman and then the handful of people in her orbit, instead of a large and varied ensemble whose stories only overlap in minimal ways.

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It’s a soap opera full of smut filmed in pretty places. Acting as if it’s high brow and you “get it” because you’re so high caste and live such decadent life is hilarious. It’s not “prestige TV,” it’s gutter trash literally full of lying, drugs, sexual deviancy, prostitution, profanity, and various smut.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a soap opera full of smut filmed in pretty places. Acting as if it’s high brow and you “get it” because you’re so high caste and live such decadent life is hilarious. It’s not “prestige TV,” it’s gutter trash literally full of lying, drugs, sexual deviancy, prostitution, profanity, and various smut.

So just watch Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood, you sanctimonious prat.

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have to like everything that is popular. I have seen people post on here numerous times about how good Schitts Creek is. I tried twice; couldn’t get past the 3rd episode. I hated it. It’s just wasn’t for me.

I love White Lotus but felt the same way about Schitts Creek. A lot of people I knew raved about it so I really tried to get into it because it's fun to be into the same shows your friends and family are watching. I just couldn't do it.

Yet I really enjoyed White Lotus from the jump. I think it's funny and interesting and I like how it shows aspects of relationships that don't get depicted onscreen very often. Like I liked that the newlyweds in S1 focused on her discovering he has this really problematic character trait (incredibly petty and thin skinned) and realizing she kind of rushed into this marriage, and having to figure out how to deal with that. Or how in S2 there were the two guys who had been friends since college and had this subtle rivalry that was now complicated by the "beta" friend suddenly becoming very, very rich. I just find that stuff thought provoking because those nuanced situations rarely get featured in a TV show -- usually relationships are drawn more broadly than that. It reminded me of how some of my favorite books portray very complicated relationships between multidimensional people.

And then in addition to that, I find the show really laugh out loud funny sometimes. So just enjoyable all around. Whereas Schitt's Creek, which was actually written as a comedy, never made me laugh. But again, lots of people whose opinions I respect love that show. Different strokes for different folks.

+100
Well said! I feel exactly the same way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I loved it from the first episode. It may not be for you.

I travelled a lot in high end places when I was dating someone who made a lot of money. If you haven't done that, or worked in one of these places, it may not resonate as much with you.

Good god you status obsessed strivers are so transparent. Yes, people who don’t “get” your cringy soap opera written by a gay man must be proles who’ve never been anywhere. lol

What does the writer being gay have anything to do with anything? Wut

Same reason SATC was rubbish. What does a childless gay bachelor know about about relationships, marriages, kids, and families? Absolutely nothing. The show is nothing but degenerate rubbish. But it’s always humorous to see the nitwit proles convince themselves they’re watching genius.

I agree on SATC, which I found deeply unrealistic about both dating and female friendships -- a strange fantasy.

But Mike White is a thoughtful observer of relationships, marriages, kids and families. He has a really interesting background and upbringing, which I think is a big part of it. His dad was an evangelical preacher who came out as gay, late in life. White was actually one of the first people to learn his dad was gay, because he read some of his dad's journals as a kid. Later on, White watched his dad come out publicly, and the impact on his career as a preacher and relationships with people from the evangelical community. Then also watching his parents divorce over this (amicably) and then his dad beginning to date men in midlife. I think through all of this, Mike White was observing how everyone in his family and community reacted to these events, with curiosity and not judgment. Growing up in a family with those kind of dramatic shifts in relationships and identity, but still retaining a loving, supportive family (from the sound of it) I think helped White develop his style as a filmmaker and storyteller, where he is often looking for the raw truth at the heart of a relationship, underneath what people might say or present to the world publicly, but he isn't judgmental or shaming about it.

His show Enlightened has a similar outlook to White Lotus but, IMO, a much more optimistic tone. Also he is able to dive in deeper on the characters because it's focused on one woman and then the handful of people in her orbit, instead of a large and varied ensemble whose stories only overlap in minimal ways.

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I had forgotten about Mike White's dad - did you ever watch them compete as a team on The Amazing Race?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a soap opera full of smut filmed in pretty places. Acting as if it’s high brow and you “get it” because you’re so high caste and live such decadent life is hilarious. It’s not “prestige TV,” it’s gutter trash literally full of lying, drugs, sexual deviancy, prostitution, profanity, and various smut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t have to like everything that is popular. I have seen people post on here numerous times about how good Schitts Creek is. I tried twice; couldn’t get past the 3rd episode. I hated it. It’s just wasn’t for me.

Exactly. I HATED Schitt's Creek, and tried so hard to get into it. Awful. But I loved The Leftovers so much - some of the best TV I've ever seen - and I know a lot of people hated that. So...

Me too! And I adore all of the actors, I love watching clips of the show. But I just CAN'T watch the whole series. Glad to know it's not just me.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a soap opera full of smut filmed in pretty places. Acting as if it’s high brow and you “get it” because you’re so high caste and live such decadent life is hilarious. It’s not “prestige TV,” it’s gutter trash literally full of lying, drugs, sexual deviancy, prostitution, profanity, and various smut.

I mean, you say potato, I say pot"ah"to. I don't really choose my show by whether or not it's "prestige TV." Do you?