Just how much effort did the Middletons make to ensure Kate married William?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The new season of the Crown seems to shed light on the Kate and Wills story again and I’m curious what people think. Just how much of a social climber was Kate?

It’s called fictionalization. She just attended the same school which is not abnormal for her social class and destiny did the rest. You can’t force someone to fall for you!
Meanwhile the other brothers spouse hunted him down like a wounded wildebeest with friends and more plotting out the set up!!! Don’t be fooled.

In case no one in your life will tell you this….

This type of thinking and posting is not rational.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Carole Middleton spent a LOT of money trying to impress the castle-owning set for years throughout Kate's pursuit of William.

She would turn up at aristo picnics with a really luxe hamper from Harrods, while all the other aristos were eating basic ham-and-cheese sandwiches and sneered at her try-hard Harrods hamper.

At one point, when Kate didn't get an invite from William to stay with his family for Christmas (this was well after the college years), Carole Middleton RENTED A STATELY HOME for the Middletons to have their own desperate Castle Christmas.

This is just some of the stuff we know about. But it's absolutely clear to be that this match was engineered and manipulated into happening. William broke up with Kate multiple times to chase after other girls, including girls who actually came from royal or noble families. For whatever reason, those attempts didn't work out.

But there was Kate, always willing to be the puppet he wanted, always willing to zealously watch his polo matches even though she was allergic to horses and then give him a play-by-play breakdown of his athletic feats after the match. This is the kind of attention he wants from his wife, and people who attended these polo matches reported that Kate didn't even take breaks to eat food.

She said she had to notice everything about William's game so she could have a conversation about it with him afterwards.

Some f**king love story.

Kate and her mother have always been pathetic social strivers.

Now Kate is stuck in a marriage with an ill-tempered cheater.

She's definitely earning her paycheck, so to speak.

[Anonymous]

Are those pics from her mooning era?

I think she’s perfect for the job, in that she wants to be queen. She works well with William and a good portion of their life is just appearing happy for the public.

Her fans really want to think that they have the greatest love story. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with how she (and Carole) increased the chances she’d get close to William, but it definitely happened. If they didn’t get along, obviously that would have been the end of it. But she wouldn’t have had the chance at all if she went to that other college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are those pics from her mooning era?

I think she’s perfect for the job, in that she wants to be queen. She works well with William and a good portion of their life is just appearing happy for the public.

Her fans really want to think that they have the greatest love story. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with how she (and Carole) increased the chances she’d get close to William, but it definitely happened. If they didn’t get along, obviously that would have been the end of it. But she wouldn’t have had the chance at all if she went to that other college.

It actually just occurred to me that celebrity matchmaking is a LOT like traditional "arranged marriages" in Asian and Arab culture. The focus is on protecting money and status. In the old world, rich families were "the celebrities" - the big houses in the local villages. So they had to arrange matches for their heirs to protect their status.

I think something very similar happens in the celebrity world - not just BRF but Hollywood too. It's all about appearances. In the old world, that meant the house, the jewelry, and the best camels. In our so-called empowered new age, it's about beauty (status), fashion (status), generating good publicity (status) for more wealth-creating opportunities (status).

What Kate Middleton and Prince William did is really standard procedure IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The new season of the Crown seems to shed light on the Kate and Wills story again and I’m curious what people think. Just how much of a social climber was Kate?

It’s called fictionalization. She just attended the same school which is not abnormal for her social class and destiny did the rest. You can’t force someone to fall for you!
Meanwhile the other brothers spouse hunted him down like a wounded wildebeest with friends and more plotting out the set up!!! Don’t be fooled.

In case no one in your life will tell you this….

This type of thinking and posting is not rational.

Girl, you can't argue with them. Either they are paid bots for the BRF, or they're deranged fans who can't fall in love in RL so they need to project fantasies onto celebrity marriages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone assume Kate was her mom's pawn? Can't she just be a young woman who thought it would be fun if she went to the same university as a prince? Then they turn out to to have a lot in common, become friends and then more than friends?

I have no doubt Carole was a social climber. So are a lot of people (DCUM is most definitely no exception). I can't imagine English society is easy to navigate and she probably got cut down a few times along the way. But



to suggest she has the ability to orchestrate her daughter becoming queen is silly. The best thing they did to orchestrate Kate and William was to have a great set of genes and raise a good daughter. The Middletons seem like decent people who have handled the scrutiny of public life gracefully.

Yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The new season of the Crown seems to shed light on the Kate and Wills story again and I’m curious what people think. Just how much of a social climber was Kate?

It’s called fictionalization. She just attended the same school which is not abnormal for her social class and destiny did the rest. You can’t force someone to fall for you!
Meanwhile the other brothers spouse hunted him down like a wounded wildebeest with friends and more plotting out the set up!!! Don’t be fooled.

In case no one in your life will tell you this….

This type of thinking and posting is not rational.

Girl, you can't argue with them. Either they are paid bots for the BRF, or they're deranged fans who can't fall in love in RL so they need to project fantasies onto celebrity marriages.

I know…. It’s just….

That one was especially deranged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t it be both an advantages marriage but also one where love blossomed? If you’ve done any research at all, you’d learn that even the more reputable sources ( Tina Brown) have discovered that Carole and Kate aggressively pursued William. It is also well known, that despite gossip to the contrary, William appears to be incredibly fond of the Middletons and loves Kate. Did he reportedly have a wandering eye when they were younger? Allegedly, but, he would always come back to Kate and felt safe and loved in the close-knit package of her family. His attraction to Kate had a lot to do with her normal and happy upbringing. It also helped that she and her family were accepting of and in fact perhaps keen to do whatever needed to be done for their daughter to marry a prince!

The aristos like Diana herself would be too self important to take the job seriously or put up with the limelight and pressure. Kate has a sense of humility and gratefulness about her role and plays her part admirably and with great intensity.

Lastly, Kate is beautiful, mentally stable, smart, ambitious and a good mom. All the qualities I’m sure made her a good match for William.

This is a case of both can be true. Either way, they seem happy.

You have never experienced real love if you write something like this.

This response is silly.

DP. No it's not.

Let me just tell you one thing: if you actually fall in love with someone, you will never admire a celebrity marriage again. You will see through it for what it is. Because now you know what real love is, and you see through the illusions that desperate, lonely celebrity fans cannot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I also find fascinating about Kate is that when I discovered she was William's girlfriend, I was shocked at how...normal and down to earth looking she was.





She is not a prissy glossy glamour girl. She has no makeup, unstyled look with rugged jeans and comfortable shoes.

I'd never have thought a prince would go for that!!

I loved Kate in this era

Prince Harry says in his book that what people do not know about Kate is that she has a crazy and silly sense of humor. Looking at her college pictures, I can see it.




So fun and unassuming. Love that she doesn't have processed hair and heavy makeup and contouring.

I wish we could see more of this side of her. I think I remember reading she even helped find a drinking cub campus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t it be both an advantages marriage but also one where love blossomed? If you’ve done any research at all, you’d learn that even the more reputable sources ( Tina Brown) have discovered that Carole and Kate aggressively pursued William. It is also well known, that despite gossip to the contrary, William appears to be incredibly fond of the Middletons and loves Kate. Did he reportedly have a wandering eye when they were younger? Allegedly, but, he would always come back to Kate and felt safe and loved in the close-knit package of her family. His attraction to Kate had a lot to do with her normal and happy upbringing. It also helped that she and her family were accepting of and in fact perhaps keen to do whatever needed to be done for their daughter to marry a prince!

The aristos like Diana herself would be too self important to take the job seriously or put up with the limelight and pressure. Kate has a sense of humility and gratefulness about her role and plays her part admirably and with great intensity.

Lastly, Kate is beautiful, mentally stable, smart, ambitious and a good mom. All the qualities I’m sure made her a good match for William.

This is a case of both can be true. Either way, they seem happy.

You have never experienced real love if you write something like this.

“Real love” can be highly overrated.

It's hard, but it's worth it. DH and I are not very rich - we both left affluent but abusive families to be together. We had to give up a lot of ego to open our hearts and we are still learning, every day, how to be better people for each other. We have to break through a lot of childhood conditioning and although our marriage is not glamorous, it's also definitely not built on appearances. I am loved for who I am with all my flaws and inadequacies, even if I don't look as hot as Kate Middleton does in a dress. And I love my DH for who he is, even though he sometimes feels less than because he's a college dropout and I have 2 degrees. I'll take my flawed and annoying DH over Prince William any day.

Good for you. What does that have to do with Kate?

[Anonymous]

Don’t understand the Kate and Will hate.

[Anonymous]

Who actually cares? Fairy tale romances are fiction. There was no love potion or Imperius curse forcing William under a spell to marry her. Whatever she brought to the table, he was attracted to it, and it's not like he's a knave who's never heard of the concept of gold-digging. He chose her, he wanted to marry her, and nobody could force him, not Carole Middleton or anyone else. They seem happy and stable together and have normal children and Kate knows her role and plays it well. What else matters?

120 years ago William would have been forced to choose from a queen-determined menu of Protestant aristocracy or matched up with one of Nicholas II's daughters when they were all still children or something. The last vestiges of those strictures doomed his own parents to misery. However he and Kate started, it's become real, or she's doing such an excellent job at the fakery that there's no functional difference. Women have tried to make matches like this literally since human history began to assure their own security and that of their offspring, I'm not going to condemn Kate for doing the same thing. They're trucking along fine, so more power to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t it be both an advantages marriage but also one where love blossomed? If you’ve done any research at all, you’d learn that even the more reputable sources ( Tina Brown) have discovered that Carole and Kate aggressively pursued William. It is also well known, that despite gossip to the contrary, William appears to be incredibly fond of the Middletons and loves Kate. Did he reportedly have a wandering eye when they were younger? Allegedly, but, he would always come back to Kate and felt safe and loved in the close-knit package of her family. His attraction to Kate had a lot to do with her normal and happy upbringing. It also helped that she and her family were accepting of and in fact perhaps keen to do whatever needed to be done for their daughter to marry a prince!

The aristos like Diana herself would be too self important to take the job seriously or put up with the limelight and pressure. Kate has a sense of humility and gratefulness about her role and plays her part admirably and with great intensity.

Lastly, Kate is beautiful, mentally stable, smart, ambitious and a good mom. All the qualities I’m sure made her a good match for William.

This is a case of both can be true. Either way, they seem happy.

You have never experienced real love if you write something like this.

“Real love” can be highly overrated.

It's hard, but it's worth it. DH and I are not very rich - we both left affluent but abusive families to be together. We had to give up a lot of ego to open our hearts and we are still learning, every day, how to be better people for each other. We have to break through a lot of childhood conditioning and although our marriage is not glamorous, it's also definitely not built on appearances. I am loved for who I am with all my flaws and inadequacies, even if I don't look as hot as Kate Middleton does in a dress. And I love my DH for who he is, even though he sometimes feels less than because he's a college dropout and I have 2 degrees. I'll take my flawed and annoying DH over Prince William any day.

Good for you. What does that have to do with Kate?

Because I was pointing out to the PP (the post that starts with "Why can’t it be both an advantages marriage...") that there's no such thing as an "advantageous marriage" and "love". That simply isn't how love works. Love is not strategic, love does not evaluate pros and cons. Real love might not be easy but it's also not what PP thinks it is. If you disagree with me, that's ok. But people who have known real love know what I am talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t understand the Kate and Will hate.

+1 I like them both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t understand the Kate and Will hate.

There’s been absolutely no hate in this thread. I think it’s so odd that you think anything less than complete adoration of this couple to be hate.