Trump warns that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country

[Anonymous]

How people can hear him talk and see his life values are NOT Christ like and still vote for him is beyond me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Given in context of his other behavior, misrepresentations and alliances with autocrats and fascist values - it is a very credible analogy..


December 17, 2023
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON (US historian)

It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.

Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.

The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”

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Notes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/16/trump-authoritarians-putin-orban-poisoning-blood/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/russia-ramps-ups-attacks-on-lgbt-groups-for-an-international-far-right-audience

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/what-mike-johnsons-stint-representing-a-creationist-museum-in-court-reveals-about-his-politics

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/16/biden-trump-remarks-immigration-00132161

https://theconversation.com/as-russia-ramps-up-traditional-values-rhetoric-especially-against-lgbtq-groups-its-won-putin-far-right-fans-abroad-219102

Heather Cox Richardson is a propagandist, nothing more.

She writes:
Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

This is patently false. Watch the video on C-SPAN:

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c5098436

If she can’t get basic quotes right, imagine all the other stuff she’s getting wrong.

F off with your attempt to cast doubt on the veracity of what can be easily verified with a quick Google search. I literally just googled the sentence “Trump called Orbán the man who can save the western world” and immediately got a bunch of links to news articles that refer to the same quote, including the Washington post, the telegraph, 8P news, and many others. Try it yourself. HCR doesn’t need to make anything up – – Trump is a goldmine of toxic malignant quotes that spill out of him every day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How people can hear him talk and see his life values are NOT Christ like and still vote for him is beyond me

Clearly being Christlike is not at the top of their agenda. They must value something else more, and I suspect it’s power and a certain view of the world they share with Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Man, the cope is strong. Hitler also wasn't German and wasn't particularly Aryan in appearance. Stalin wasn't Russian, etc. There are always exceptions for the in-group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Even this explanation sounds sinister to my ears.

That's because it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Given in context of his other behavior, misrepresentations and alliances with autocrats and fascist values - it is a very credible analogy..


December 17, 2023
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON (US historian)

It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.

Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.

The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”

—

Notes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/16/trump-authoritarians-putin-orban-poisoning-blood/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/russia-ramps-ups-attacks-on-lgbt-groups-for-an-international-far-right-audience

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/what-mike-johnsons-stint-representing-a-creationist-museum-in-court-reveals-about-his-politics

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/16/biden-trump-remarks-immigration-00132161

https://theconversation.com/as-russia-ramps-up-traditional-values-rhetoric-especially-against-lgbtq-groups-its-won-putin-far-right-fans-abroad-219102

Heather Cox Richardson is a propagandist, nothing more.

She writes:
Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

This is patently false. Watch the video on C-SPAN:

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c5098436

If she can’t get basic quotes right, imagine all the other stuff she’s getting wrong.

F off with your attempt to cast doubt on the veracity of what can be easily verified with a quick Google search. I literally just googled the sentence “Trump called Orbán the man who can save the western world” and immediately got a bunch of links to news articles that refer to the same quote, including the Washington post, the telegraph, 8P news, and many others. Try it yourself. HCR doesn’t need to make anything up – – Trump is a goldmine of toxic malignant quotes that spill out of him every day.

Trump did not call Orban the man who can save the western world.

Trump said that Orban called Trump the man who can save the western world.

See the difference? Accuracy matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.

Naturalized American immigrants can have their citizenship revoked by the DOJ

People are sleepwalking if they don’t realize that this is what Trump is going to do - he’s going to try to do mass denaturalization of naturalized American citizens (and their kids!) for “lying” on immigration forms. Of course, it will be completely trumped up reasons based on ridiculous interpretations of laws/policies, but the naturalized citizens will have no recourse and be tossed out the country ASAP. My guess is that they go after Mexicans, Persians, and Palestinians first.

https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html#:~:text=Under%20the%2014th%20Amendment%20to,deportation)%20from%20the%20United%20States.

This is the biggest fear in my house if Trump gets re-elected. My DH was naturalized in the 1990s. Trump and Trump supporters are horrifying.

And, you are falling for the fear mongering by the left.

Fear mongering is also done by the right.

We are always being told that the Dems want "open borders". However, Obama was deporting more illegals than Trump.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/21/ice-claims-more-illegals-were-deported-under-obama-than-trump/

I'm always very suspicious of people who want to go after "illegals". They are the type of people who were probably against the 14th Ammendment, or against allowing Native Americans citizenship years after African Americans.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How people can hear him talk and see his life values are NOT Christ like and still vote for him is beyond me

Clearly being Christlike is not at the top of their agenda. They must value something else more, and I suspect it’s power and a certain view of the world they share with Trump.

Completely agree - have never seen or heard a less Christ like politician. It boggles my mind that white evangelicals get behind him. I think they are turning many of our young people off religion because they are the cynical hypocrisy and lack of love for fellow humans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How people can hear him talk and see his life values are NOT Christ like and still vote for him is beyond me

Clearly being Christlike is not at the top of their agenda. They must value something else more, and I suspect it’s power and a certain view of the world they share with Trump.

Completely agree - have never seen or heard a less Christ like politician. It boggles my mind that white evangelicals get behind him. I think they are turning many of our young people off religion because they are the cynical hypocrisy and lack of love for fellow humans.

See not are - our youth are not stupid and see the exploitation of religion for political purposes.

# separation of church and state protects the integrity of both …

[Anonymous]

Read that whole twitter thread by Byron York that I linked above. It puts the WaPo article in context.

The media literally don’t care what Trump ACTUALLY said.

They just spin and spin and spin!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How people can hear him talk and see his life values are NOT Christ like and still vote for him is beyond me

Clearly being Christlike is not at the top of their agenda. They must value something else more, and I suspect it’s power and a certain view of the world they share with Trump.

Completely agree - have never seen or heard a less Christ like politician. It boggles my mind that white evangelicals get behind him. I think they are turning many of our young people off religion because they are the cynical hypocrisy and lack of love for fellow humans.

They are prosperity Christians and will twist themselves as needed to make themselves think that god loves them more and therefore they’re rich. Also white supremacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read that whole twitter thread by Byron York that I linked above. It puts the WaPo article in context.

The media literally don’t care what Trump ACTUALLY said.

They just spin and spin and spin!

The right wing media is just the same as the lefties. They too try to spin and spin. Neither side is blameless.

[Anonymous]

That’s really something for a guy who married two immigrants himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s really something for a guy who married two immigrants himself.

And who is the son and grandson of immigrants.

And whose third wife brought her entire family in via chain migration after her boyfriend helped her get an "Einstein" visa.