Trump warns that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country

Anonymous
Why is this a surprise? Mein Kampf is probably the only book Trump has ever read.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.


Naturalized American immigrants can have their citizenship revoked by the DOJ

People are sleepwalking if they don’t realize that this is what Trump is going to do - he’s going to try to do mass denaturalization of naturalized American citizens (and their kids!) for “lying” on immigration forms. Of course, it will be completely trumped up reasons based on ridiculous interpretations of laws/policies, but the naturalized citizens will have no recourse and be tossed out the country ASAP. My guess is that they go after Mexicans, Persians, and Palestinians first.

https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html#:~:text=Under%20the%2014th%20Amendment%20to,deportation)%20from%20the%20United%20States.



This is the biggest fear in my house if Trump gets re-elected. My DH was naturalized in the 1990s. Trump and Trump supporters are horrifying.


And, you are falling for the fear mongering by the left.

Are you denying that Trump said what he did?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.


Naturalized American immigrants can have their citizenship revoked by the DOJ

People are sleepwalking if they don’t realize that this is what Trump is going to do - he’s going to try to do mass denaturalization of naturalized American citizens (and their kids!) for “lying” on immigration forms. Of course, it will be completely trumped up reasons based on ridiculous interpretations of laws/policies, but the naturalized citizens will have no recourse and be tossed out the country ASAP. My guess is that they go after Mexicans, Persians, and Palestinians first.

https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html#:~:text=Under%20the%2014th%20Amendment%20to,deportation)%20from%20the%20United%20States.



This is the biggest fear in my house if Trump gets re-elected. My DH was naturalized in the 1990s. Trump and Trump supporters are horrifying.


And, you are falling for the fear mongering by the left.


I agree. If Trump is elected, they will go for the lowest hanging fruit first. They are not going to be touching anyone who naturalized in the 90s. You can’t just blanket label those cases as fraud and kick everyone out. There will be due process. No Trump administration truly wants to see that through.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.


The last time they were in power they did everything they could to restrict legal immigration too.

Economically the country NEEDS immigrants.
Anonymous
Trump says whatever he determines necessary to keep himself in the headlines and feed his malignant narcissism.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.


Naturalized American immigrants can have their citizenship revoked by the DOJ

People are sleepwalking if they don’t realize that this is what Trump is going to do - he’s going to try to do mass denaturalization of naturalized American citizens (and their kids!) for “lying” on immigration forms. Of course, it will be completely trumped up reasons based on ridiculous interpretations of laws/policies, but the naturalized citizens will have no recourse and be tossed out the country ASAP. My guess is that they go after Mexicans, Persians, and Palestinians first.

https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html#:~:text=Under%20the%2014th%20Amendment%20to,deportation)%20from%20the%20United%20States.



This is the biggest fear in my house if Trump gets re-elected. My DH was naturalized in the 1990s. Trump and Trump supporters are horrifying.


And, you are falling for the fear mongering by the left.


Strongly disagree and you are in denial

He has already invited a violent insurrection and came close to pulling off a coup.

His rallies often make threats against anyone who disagrees with him or gets in his way and his cult followers often make death threats or violence against anyone who expresses grievances against .

Attacks on POC increased in unprecedented ways durinf his last term in office.

He has already promised he will be a dictator on day one .

He is aligned with Putin over allies and has Demonstrated this allegiance time and time again . Putin has already expressed desire to help get him get re-elected and vows any enemy of Trump is his enemy. Trump
Often used sour in talking points about NATO when in office.

30 k verified lies and his lies about election fraud continue.

Anonymous
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Legal versus illegal is a human construct. The blood of either, in biological terms, are the same. Ergo, if one feels the blood of one taints, then the blood of all taints.

Face it, it is a racist troupe that should never be acceptable rhetoric in the United States of America.


Good Lord.

Take a look at Chicago or New York, or any one of many American cities that has been overrun with migrants who have entered illegally.
These cities are in dire straits because of the burden these migrants have on these cities. Don't try to conflate legal with illegal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.


Naturalized American immigrants can have their citizenship revoked by the DOJ

People are sleepwalking if they don’t realize that this is what Trump is going to do - he’s going to try to do mass denaturalization of naturalized American citizens (and their kids!) for “lying” on immigration forms. Of course, it will be completely trumped up reasons based on ridiculous interpretations of laws/policies, but the naturalized citizens will have no recourse and be tossed out the country ASAP. My guess is that they go after Mexicans, Persians, and Palestinians first.

https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html#:~:text=Under%20the%2014th%20Amendment%20to,deportation)%20from%20the%20United%20States.



This is the biggest fear in my house if Trump gets re-elected. My DH was naturalized in the 1990s. Trump and Trump supporters are horrifying.


And, you are falling for the fear mongering by the left.


Strongly disagree and you are in denial

He has already invited a violent insurrection and came close to pulling off a coup.

His rallies often make threats against anyone who disagrees with him or gets in his way and his cult followers often make death threats or violence against anyone who expresses grievances against .

Attacks on POC increased in unprecedented ways durinf his last term in office.

He has already promised he will be a dictator on day one .

He is aligned with Putin over allies and has Demonstrated this allegiance time and time again . Putin has already expressed desire to help get him get re-elected and vows any enemy of Trump is his enemy. Trump
Often used sour in talking points about NATO when in office.

30 k verified lies and his lies about election fraud continue.



This statement alone tells me that you are indeed falling for fear mongering.

He stated that he would be a dictator ONLY on day one.... and the actions he would take would be to overturn all of Biden's EOs that have cause the crises we are dealing with now. So, I guess that by issuing those destructive EOs on Day 1 makes Biden a dictator.
Anonymous
Imagine if the Democrats did anything about illegal immigrants and closed ridiculously flimsy and stupid asylum claims. They'd have elections locked up for basically forever.

Yet they are incapable of seeing how insanely stupid their open borders policies are. People hate their open borders so much they're now left with having no other options except ton vote for Trump, because he's the only one who will address the issue.

The UK was broken and left the entire EU in large part to a number of illegal immigrants equivalent to what the US gets in only a few months. We get the most illegal immigrants in the world and people are sick and tired of it. No country in earth can sustain its sovereignty and benefits for its own citizens when there are more illegal immigrants per year flowing in than some states have for entire populations. The only thing voters ever hear from Democrats is that they'll double down on more illegal immigration. How well did that idea work out in the UK?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Legal versus illegal is a human construct. The blood of either, in biological terms, are the same. Ergo, if one feels the blood of one taints, then the blood of all taints.

Face it, it is a racist troupe that should never be acceptable rhetoric in the United States of America.


Good Lord.

Take a look at Chicago or New York, or any one of many American cities that has been overrun with migrants who have entered illegally.
These cities are in dire straits because of the burden these migrants have on these cities. Don't try to conflate legal with illegal.

Don’t conflate rational discourse about undocumented immigrants with Nazt rhetoric. Saying they “poison our blood” is Hitler 101, and it’s coming from someone who kept “My New Order,” a book of Hitler’s speeches, in a cabinet at his bedside and occasionally read them, per Ivana.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.



Given in context of his other behavior, misrepresentations and alliances with autocrats and fascist values - it is a very credible analogy..


December 17, 2023
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON (US historian)

It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.

Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.

The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”



Notes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/16/trump-authoritarians-putin-orban-poisoning-blood/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/russia-ramps-ups-attacks-on-lgbt-groups-for-an-international-far-right-audience

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/what-mike-johnsons-stint-representing-a-creationist-museum-in-court-reveals-about-his-politics

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/16/biden-trump-remarks-immigration-00132161

https://theconversation.com/as-russia-ramps-up-traditional-values-rhetoric-especially-against-lgbtq-groups-its-won-putin-far-right-fans-abroad-219102
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Imagine if the Democrats did anything about illegal immigrants and closed ridiculously flimsy and stupid asylum claims. They'd have elections locked up for basically forever.

Yet they are incapable of seeing how insanely stupid their open borders policies are. People hate their open borders so much they're now left with having no other options except ton vote for Trump, because he's the only one who will address the issue.

The UK was broken and left the entire EU in large part to a number of illegal immigrants equivalent to what the US gets in only a few months. We get the most illegal immigrants in the world and people are sick and tired of it. No country in earth can sustain its sovereignty and benefits for its own citizens when there are more illegal immigrants per year flowing in than some states have for entire populations. The only thing voters ever hear from Democrats is that they'll double down on more illegal immigration. How well did that idea work out in the UK?


Good analogy but wrong conclusion. Brexit was driven by fears of illegal immigrants taking over to some extent but more about fears about being exploited by EU, being strangled by EU rules and giving more than they got back .
Turns out a lot of those fears were filed by Russian misinformation stoking right wing bogeymen.

The UK has been regretting Brexit ever since. They were getting far more benefits in farm subsidies, access to labor and sweet trade deals than they lost. Bring the former head of the commonwealth has not been enough to create a comparable trade base to what they had. Their kids no longer have citizen, work and study rights in over 30 countries .

There was a huge divide between rural and urban voters and even rural voted jow regret Brexit.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.



Given in context of his other behavior, misrepresentations and alliances with autocrats and fascist values - it is a very credible analogy..


December 17, 2023
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON (US historian)

It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.

Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.

The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”



Notes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/16/trump-authoritarians-putin-orban-poisoning-blood/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/russia-ramps-ups-attacks-on-lgbt-groups-for-an-international-far-right-audience

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/what-mike-johnsons-stint-representing-a-creationist-museum-in-court-reveals-about-his-politics

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/16/biden-trump-remarks-immigration-00132161

https://theconversation.com/as-russia-ramps-up-traditional-values-rhetoric-especially-against-lgbtq-groups-its-won-putin-far-right-fans-abroad-219102


You can stop posting this article from Heather Cox Richardson.
You seem to be the only person who reads her drivel.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Legal versus illegal is a human construct. The blood of either, in biological terms, are the same. Ergo, if one feels the blood of one taints, then the blood of all taints.

Face it, it is a racist troupe that should never be acceptable rhetoric in the United States of America.


Good Lord.

Take a look at Chicago or New York, or any one of many American cities that has been overrun with migrants who have entered illegally.
These cities are in dire straits because of the burden these migrants have on these cities. Don't try to conflate legal with illegal.


Poisoned blood is poisoned blood. Has nothing to do with legality.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump says immigrants poison our blood.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141

No, that's not facist at all.


The term “blood poisoning” was used by Hitler in his manifesto “Mein Kampf,” in which he criticized immigration and the mixing of races. “All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning,” Hitler wrote.


Trump is not using it like Hitler did.

Trump knows his audience. He knows juuuust how far he can go and have different people hear what they want to hear. Neo Nazis hear it as an endorsement of Nazism. Garden variety xenophobes hear it as anti immigration. People who are concerned about the level of illegal immigration hear it as simply anti illegal immigration. People who are appalled by Trump hear it as Nazi rhetoric. People who don’t follow politics closely probably don’t know all that much Nazi rhetoric, don’t know what Trump actually says, and may assume comparing Trump to Hitler is hyperbole.

If sounding like Hitler is the last thing Trump would ever want to do, why does he do it so much? Why does he idolize fascist dictators?
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