Trump warns that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Even this explanation sounds sinister to my ears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Given in context of his other behavior, misrepresentations and alliances with autocrats and fascist values - it is a very credible analogy..


December 17, 2023
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON (US historian)

It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.

Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.

The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”

—

Notes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/16/trump-authoritarians-putin-orban-poisoning-blood/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/russia-ramps-ups-attacks-on-lgbt-groups-for-an-international-far-right-audience

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/what-mike-johnsons-stint-representing-a-creationist-museum-in-court-reveals-about-his-politics

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/16/biden-trump-remarks-immigration-00132161

https://theconversation.com/as-russia-ramps-up-traditional-values-rhetoric-especially-against-lgbtq-groups-its-won-putin-far-right-fans-abroad-219102

A candidate for president of the United States of America (indeed, a former US president!), praised Hungary’s dictator as “the man who can save the Western world.” If that doesn’t concern you, I don’t know what else to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Given in context of his other behavior, misrepresentations and alliances with autocrats and fascist values - it is a very credible analogy..


December 17, 2023
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON (US historian)

It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.

Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.

The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”

—

Notes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/16/trump-authoritarians-putin-orban-poisoning-blood/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/russia-ramps-ups-attacks-on-lgbt-groups-for-an-international-far-right-audience

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/what-mike-johnsons-stint-representing-a-creationist-museum-in-court-reveals-about-his-politics

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/16/biden-trump-remarks-immigration-00132161

https://theconversation.com/as-russia-ramps-up-traditional-values-rhetoric-especially-against-lgbtq-groups-its-won-putin-far-right-fans-abroad-219102

You can stop posting this article from Heather Cox Richardson.
You seem to be the only person who reads her drivel.

It is clear you don’t read intelligent research with ample credible sources. She is a Harvard educated historian and knows how to place current events in broader historical context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Given in context of his other behavior, misrepresentations and alliances with autocrats and fascist values - it is a very credible analogy..


December 17, 2023
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON (US historian)

It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.

Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.

The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”

—

Notes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/16/trump-authoritarians-putin-orban-poisoning-blood/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/russia-ramps-ups-attacks-on-lgbt-groups-for-an-international-far-right-audience

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/what-mike-johnsons-stint-representing-a-creationist-museum-in-court-reveals-about-his-politics

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/16/biden-trump-remarks-immigration-00132161

https://theconversation.com/as-russia-ramps-up-traditional-values-rhetoric-especially-against-lgbtq-groups-its-won-putin-far-right-fans-abroad-219102

You can stop posting this article from Heather Cox Richardson.
You seem to be the only person who reads her drivel.




t is clear you don’t read intelligent research with ample credible sources. HCR is a Harvard educated historian and knows how to place current events in broader historical context.

It is tragic that Trump cult followers are willing to justify and normalize whatever he lies and does.

Trump belongs in jail and needs to be treated by mental health care professionals as he is criminally insane. He takes no responsibility for his reckless words or actions and neither do his cult followers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump says whatever he determines necessary to keep himself in the headlines and feed his malignant narcissism.

Precisely this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Legal versus illegal is a human construct. The blood of either, in biological terms, are the same. Ergo, if one feels the blood of one taints, then the blood of all taints.

Face it, it is a racist troupe that should never be acceptable rhetoric in the United States of America.

Good Lord.

Take a look at Chicago or New York, or any one of many American cities that has been overrun with migrants who have entered illegally.
These cities are in dire straits because of the burden these migrants have on these cities. Don't try to conflate legal with illegal.

And blood poisoning has exactly what kind of relevance to this discussion? Creepy at the least sinister.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every Anglosphere country is simultaneously undergoing massive, historically-unprecedented non-white immigration.

What before elicited polite demurral all of a sudden seems like a pressing, indeed a vital issue - and it's likely to remain that way from here on out.

The Anglosphere is the only place that ever sincerely cared about "racism.”

The millions of third-worlders and Asians migrating in do not give a shit about "racism".

Anglos (whites) are just finally realizing they've been playing with a self-inflicted handicap and are done with it.

Did you know there are many of us whites who are not Anglos?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Legal versus illegal is a human construct. The blood of either, in biological terms, are the same. Ergo, if one feels the blood of one taints, then the blood of all taints.

Face it, it is a racist troupe that should never be acceptable rhetoric in the United States of America.

Good Lord.

Take a look at Chicago or New York, or any one of many American cities that has been overrun with migrants who have entered illegally.
These cities are in dire straits because of the burden these migrants have on these cities. Don't try to conflate legal with illegal.

The point is, in the mind of Donald trump and thus the GOP, there is no difference. They want "American" blood only in this country, whatever that means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.

Naturalized American immigrants can have their citizenship revoked by the DOJ

People are sleepwalking if they don’t realize that this is what Trump is going to do - he’s going to try to do mass denaturalization of naturalized American citizens (and their kids!) for “lying” on immigration forms. Of course, it will be completely trumped up reasons based on ridiculous interpretations of laws/policies, but the naturalized citizens will have no recourse and be tossed out the country ASAP. My guess is that they go after Mexicans, Persians, and Palestinians first.

https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html#:~:text=Under%20the%2014th%20Amendment%20to,deportation)%20from%20the%20United%20States.

This is the biggest fear in my house if Trump gets re-elected. My DH was naturalized in the 1990s. Trump and Trump supporters are horrifying.

And, you are falling for the fear mongering by the left.

Strongly disagree and you are in denial

He has already invited a violent insurrection and came close to pulling off a coup.

His rallies often make threats against anyone who disagrees with him or gets in his way and his cult followers often make death threats or violence against anyone who expresses grievances against .

Attacks on POC increased in unprecedented ways durinf his last term in office.

He has already promised he will be a dictator on day one .

He is aligned with Putin over allies and has Demonstrated this allegiance time and time again . Putin has already expressed desire to help get him get re-elected and vows any enemy of Trump is his enemy. Trump
Often used sour in talking points about NATO when in office.

30 k verified lies and his lies about election fraud continue.

This statement alone tells me that you are indeed falling for fear mongering.

He stated that he would be a dictator ONLY on day one.... and the actions he would take would be to overturn all of Biden's EOs that have cause the crises we are dealing with now. So, I guess that by issuing those destructive EOs on Day 1 makes Biden a dictator.

DP, this is what he said over the weekend:

Trump to a crowd of cultists in Reno, NV tonight:

"We're going to win four more years in the White House, then after that we'll negotiate. Based on the way I was treated; we're probably entitled to another four after that."


So, how do you parse that statement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if the Democrats did anything about illegal immigrants and closed ridiculously flimsy and stupid asylum claims. They'd have elections locked up for basically forever.

Yet they are incapable of seeing how insanely stupid their open borders policies are. People hate their open borders so much they're now left with having no other options except ton vote for Trump, because he's the only one who will address the issue.

The UK was broken and left the entire EU in large part to a number of illegal immigrants equivalent to what the US gets in only a few months. We get the most illegal immigrants in the world and people are sick and tired of it. No country in earth can sustain its sovereignty and benefits for its own citizens when there are more illegal immigrants per year flowing in than some states have for entire populations. The only thing voters ever hear from Democrats is that they'll double down on more illegal immigration. How well did that idea work out in the UK?

Imagine if the GOP would actually negotiate in good faith? They are holding Ukraine funding ransom for immigration and the White House is negotiating, but the GOP isn't. They are standing on areas where there is room to move and they are refusing. That isn't a negotiation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every Anglosphere country is simultaneously undergoing massive, historically-unprecedented non-white immigration.

What before elicited polite demurral all of a sudden seems like a pressing, indeed a vital issue - and it's likely to remain that way from here on out.

The Anglosphere is the only place that ever sincerely cared about "racism.”

The millions of third-worlders and Asians migrating in do not give a shit about "racism".

Anglos (whites) are just finally realizing they've been playing with a self-inflicted handicap and are done with it.

Much of this has to do with climate change and some areas becoming literally inhospitalable. Other aspects of this are related, literally, to Russia causing mayhem (see Middle East, Venezuela, Parts of Africa) thus forcing people to migrate. Cut the problems at the root - Putin and Carbon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Trump is not using it like Hitler did.

You keep telling yourself that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not remotely comparable. Trump is talking about "blood" as a synonym of societal culture and strength. Hitler is talking about "race" in a broad enough sense to include any form of heritage. By Hitler standards almost the entire Trump family is inferior mixed blood, including Trump's wife, four of his five children and all of his grandchildren. His entire family is part Slavic or part Jewish and in Hitler's mind are inferior by blood.

Given in context of his other behavior, misrepresentations and alliances with autocrats and fascist values - it is a very credible analogy..


December 17, 2023
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON (US historian)

It seems that former president Donald Trump is aligning his supporters with a global far-right movement to destroy democracy.

On Saturday, in Durham, New Hampshire, Trump echoed Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s attacks on immigrants, saying they are “poisoning the blood of our country”—although two of his three wives were immigrants—and quoted Russian president Vladimir Putin’s attacks on American democracy. Trump went on to praise North Korean autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and align himself with Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, the darling of the American right wing, who has destroyed Hungary’s democracy and replaced it with a dictatorship.

Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

Dr. Sarah Riccardi-Swartz, a professor of religion and anthropology at Northeastern University, explained in The Conversation what Trump is talking about. Autocrats like Orbán and Putin—and budding autocrats like Trump—are building a global movement by fighting back against the expansion of rights to women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people.

Russian leaders have been cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights for a decade with the help of the Russian Orthodox Church, claiming that they are protecting “traditional values.” This vision of heteronormativity rewrites the real history of human sexuality, but it is powerful in this moment. Orbán insists that immigrants ruin the purity of a country, and has undermined women’s rights.

Riccardi-Swartz explains that this rhetoric appeals to those in far-right movements around the world. In the United States, “family values” became tied to patriotism after World War II, when Chinese and Soviet communists appeared to be erasing traditional gender roles. Those people defined as anti-family—LGBTQ+ people and women who challenged patriarchy—seemed to be undermining society. Now, as dictators like Putin and Orbán promise to take away LGBTQ+ rights, hurt immigrants, and return power to white men, they seem to many to be protecting traditional society.

In the United States, that undercurrent has created a movement of people who are willing to overthrow democracy if it means reinforcing their traditional vision. Christian nationalists believe that the secular values of democracy are destroying Christianity and traditional values. They want to get rid of LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, immigration, and the public schools they believe teach such values. And if that means handing power to a dictator who promises to restore their vision of a traditional society, they’re in.

It is an astonishing rejection of everything the United States has always stood for.

The White House today responded to Trump’s speech. White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said: “Echoing the grotesque rhetoric of fascists and violent white supremacists and threatening to oppress those who disagree with the government are dangerous attacks on the dignity and rights of all Americans, on our democracy, and on public safety…. It’s the opposite of everything we stand for as Americans.”

—

Notes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/16/trump-authoritarians-putin-orban-poisoning-blood/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/russia-ramps-ups-attacks-on-lgbt-groups-for-an-international-far-right-audience

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/what-mike-johnsons-stint-representing-a-creationist-museum-in-court-reveals-about-his-politics

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/16/biden-trump-remarks-immigration-00132161

https://theconversation.com/as-russia-ramps-up-traditional-values-rhetoric-especially-against-lgbtq-groups-its-won-putin-far-right-fans-abroad-219102

Heather Cox Richardson is a propagandist, nothing more.

She writes:
Trump called Orbán “the man who can save the Western world.”

This is patently false. Watch the video on C-SPAN:

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c5098436

If she can’t get basic quotes right, imagine all the other stuff she’s getting wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.

So it's okay to demonize fellow human beings by dredging up Nazi rhetoric, because they do not have their papers?

Four of his five children were borne by immigrants. Two out of his three wives were immigrants. His mother was an immigrant who came here as an uneducated house maid. His paternal grandfather was an immigrant. He has no relatives who had any involvement with the founding of this country. Most African Americans have more connection to the early days of the United States. Most arrived before 1830. It's absurd that he's going all blood and soil when it's not the Trump family's soil.

It's the same old same old - it's fine for me but not for thee. Just like abortion.

He can marry all the (right kind) of foreigners he wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate Trump and think he is racist as f*ck but to be fair he said ILLEGAL immigrants not immigrants.

Naturalized American immigrants can have their citizenship revoked by the DOJ

People are sleepwalking if they don’t realize that this is what Trump is going to do - he’s going to try to do mass denaturalization of naturalized American citizens (and their kids!) for “lying” on immigration forms. Of course, it will be completely trumped up reasons based on ridiculous interpretations of laws/policies, but the naturalized citizens will have no recourse and be tossed out the country ASAP. My guess is that they go after Mexicans, Persians, and Palestinians first.

https://www.findlaw.com/immigration/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html#:~:text=Under%20the%2014th%20Amendment%20to,deportation)%20from%20the%20United%20States.

This is the biggest fear in my house if Trump gets re-elected. My DH was naturalized in the 1990s. Trump and Trump supporters are horrifying.

And, you are falling for the fear mongering by the left.

Fear mongering? How is it fear mongering to point out WHAT HE IS ACTUALLY SAYING