America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?

[Anonymous]

Way to twist it all. I can't say why it is so, if it's not true.
The countries banning religion ban everything else too. I can see why you only stand up for religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Slavery is older than the first human records.
Slavery is virtually a universal institution; it is never been limited to Western Civilization.
War was historically the most significant source of enslavement.

Slavery is not practiced the United States, but is still practiced throughout the world.

The 10 countries with the highest prevalence of modern slavery are:

North Korea
Eritrea
Mauritania
Saudi Arabia
Türkiye
Tajikistan
United Arab Emirates
Russia
Afghanistan
Kuwait

Four of the five world regions — Africa, Arab States, Asia and the Pacific, and Europe and Central Asia — are represented in the list of countries with highest prevalence, which underscores the global reach of modern slavery.

Why are people who are concerned with slavery ignoring these facts?

Slavery is a deplorable and cruel practice, and still exists. Just not in our country.

Slavery doesn’t exist in our country because the federal government stopped the southern states from oppressing others. Will it take another civil war for women to gain their freedom from their religious oppressors in the south?

The distinction is that the slaves had no choice in the condition of slavery, while women have a choice in becoming pregnant. In most cases slavery was a life-long condition, and pregnancy is of limited duration.

You are oppressing yourself while enjoying the highest quality of life and freedom possible in a Christian country.

Atheist martyrs are so funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slavery is older than the first human records.
Slavery is virtually a universal institution; it is never been limited to Western Civilization.
War was historically the most significant source of enslavement.

Slavery is not practiced the United States, but is still practiced throughout the world.

The 10 countries with the highest prevalence of modern slavery are:

North Korea
Eritrea
Mauritania
Saudi Arabia
Türkiye
Tajikistan
United Arab Emirates
Russia
Afghanistan
Kuwait

Four of the five world regions — Africa, Arab States, Asia and the Pacific, and Europe and Central Asia — are represented in the list of countries with highest prevalence, which underscores the global reach of modern slavery.

Why are people who are concerned with slavery ignoring these facts?

Slavery is a deplorable and cruel practice, and still exists. Just not in our country.

Slavery doesn’t exist in our country because the federal government stopped the southern states from oppressing others. Will it take another civil war for women to gain their freedom from their religious oppressors in the south?

The distinction is that the slaves had no choice in the condition of slavery, while women have a choice in becoming pregnant. In most cases slavery was a life-long condition, and pregnancy is of limited duration.

You are oppressing yourself while enjoying the highest quality of life and freedom possible in a Christian country.

Atheist martyrs are so funny.

Rape vicitims do not have a choice.
A woman does not choose for their fetus to be non-viable.

You are the reason people hate religion. You are ignorant, close minded, uneducated and push your religion on others.

Sadly there is no place in heaven for people like, you are doing the exact thing you think will get you into heaven that will damn you for eternity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

There are lots of areas where the federal government supersedes states rights, and appropriately so. The abolition of slavery comes to mind — that’s what the Civil War was about. The south even tried to frame that as a “states’ rights” issue.

One reason is because when states like Ohio overwhelmingly vote to keep abortion legal, religious fanatics who got into the state legislature due to gerrymandering announce they will attempt to find workarounds.

Well said. Maybe OP could take a 5 minute break from proselytizing to actually read the news.

Abortion is a state issue, and not the topic of this thread.

The topic is: why people who dislike religion, think religion is evil, want to ban religion, etc, live in the most Christian populated country in the world and enjoy the most freedom in the world, and don’t acknowledge the most religiously restrictive countries in the world are authoritarian and oppressive to their citizens.

It’s a question people posting here are avoiding answering and are defaulting to slavery (which is no longer allowed in our country and abortion (which has been given back to each state to decide.)

Abortion is a human rights issue. Women are human and they have the right to bodily autonomy and health care.

But you keep ignoring the fact that when states do let their citizens decide on abortion they overwhelmingly approve enshrining abortion rights. And that makes anti-abortionists suddenly against letting states decide that issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slavery is older than the first human records.
Slavery is virtually a universal institution; it is never been limited to Western Civilization.
War was historically the most significant source of enslavement.

Slavery is not practiced the United States, but is still practiced throughout the world.

The 10 countries with the highest prevalence of modern slavery are:

North Korea
Eritrea
Mauritania
Saudi Arabia
Türkiye
Tajikistan
United Arab Emirates
Russia
Afghanistan
Kuwait

Four of the five world regions — Africa, Arab States, Asia and the Pacific, and Europe and Central Asia — are represented in the list of countries with highest prevalence, which underscores the global reach of modern slavery.

Why are people who are concerned with slavery ignoring these facts?

Slavery is a deplorable and cruel practice, and still exists. Just not in our country.

Slavery doesn’t exist in our country because the federal government stopped the southern states from oppressing others. Will it take another civil war for women to gain their freedom from their religious oppressors in the south?

The distinction is that the slaves had no choice in the condition of slavery, while women have a choice in becoming pregnant. In most cases slavery was a life-long condition, and pregnancy is of limited duration.

You are oppressing yourself while enjoying the highest quality of life and freedom possible in a Christian country.

Atheist martyrs are so funny.

Pregnancy can have life long consequences for women and girls and their bodies. Ask me how I know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP pleaee see share links to posts on DCUM calling for the banning of religion in the US. I can’t find any. Thanks.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1170605.page

Which page of that thread is there a post calling for the ban of religion? Didn’t see one on the first page. Thanks

you can’t read beyond page 1?

So OP is a full of crap. Just some good ole Friday morning trolling!

[Anonymous]

OP disliking religion is not the same thing as calling for it to be banned. You are trying to force people to like your religious beliefs? How very unAmerican of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slavery is older than the first human records.
Slavery is virtually a universal institution; it is never been limited to Western Civilization.
War was historically the most significant source of enslavement.

Slavery is not practiced the United States, but is still practiced throughout the world.

The 10 countries with the highest prevalence of modern slavery are:

North Korea
Eritrea
Mauritania
Saudi Arabia
Türkiye
Tajikistan
United Arab Emirates
Russia
Afghanistan
Kuwait

Four of the five world regions — Africa, Arab States, Asia and the Pacific, and Europe and Central Asia — are represented in the list of countries with highest prevalence, which underscores the global reach of modern slavery.

Why are people who are concerned with slavery ignoring these facts?

Slavery is a deplorable and cruel practice, and still exists. Just not in our country.

Slavery doesn’t exist in our country because the federal government stopped the southern states from oppressing others. Will it take another civil war for women to gain their freedom from their religious oppressors in the south?

The distinction is that the slaves had no choice in the condition of slavery, while women have a choice in becoming pregnant. In most cases slavery was a life-long condition, and pregnancy is of limited duration.

You are oppressing yourself while enjoying the highest quality of life and freedom possible in a Christian country.

Atheist martyrs are so funny.

And false Christians are so Not.

[Anonymous]

Atheist here who feels very positively about the founding fathers attention to religious Liberty because it also gave non-believers a place in society. Freedom from religion is an important aspect of religious freedom

So OP that is my answer to your specific question about how atheists “feel about our forefathers (who thought religious freedom was extremely important) and the emphasis our laws place on religious freedom and liberty” - I too believe in religious freedom for all!

[Anonymous]

No atheist I know wants to ban organized religion. I also don't recall any content I have seen calling for that.

So you are lying and should be ignored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

Exactly. Freedom of religion means that the government shouldn’t force religion on others. Religious people have unethically - and unconstitutionally - been using the government to force their beliefs on others.

If anyone should be complaining about religious freedom right now, it’s the millions of oppressed people who’ve had their rights taken away from them by religious extremists.

You are wrong and live in a country where you are allowed complete freedom because we are a Christian nation. You ignore millions of slaves worldwide in non-Christian countries and the authoritarian anti- religious countries you would never want to live in for 10 minutes.

Great! So we both disagree with the Christian bible, which endorses slavery and provides instructions on how to manage slaves.

We both agree that is 100% immoral. Even though it is in the bible.

Thanks, Friend!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No atheist I know wants to ban organized religion. I also don't recall any content I have seen calling for that.

So you are lying and should be ignored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

Exactly. Freedom of religion means that the government shouldn’t force religion on others. Religious people have unethically - and unconstitutionally - been using the government to force their beliefs on others.

If anyone should be complaining about religious freedom right now, it’s the millions of oppressed people who’ve had their rights taken away from them by religious extremists.

You are wrong and live in a country where you are allowed complete freedom because we are a Christian nation. You ignore millions of slaves worldwide in non-Christian countries and the authoritarian anti- religious countries you would never want to live in for 10 minutes.

Great! So we both disagree with the Christian bible, which endorses slavery and provides instructions on how to manage slaves.

We both agree that is 100% immoral. Even though it is in the bible.

Thanks, Friend!

Oh look, it’s the intellectually dishonest poster who who declares that everyone agrees with their opinion, despite the inaccuracy of said declaration.

If someone suddenly declares you agree with them, even though you don’t, and calls you “friend,” they are supremely intellectually dishonest untrustworthy.

It’s the same poster that declares their opinion as facts that everyone suddenly is in complete agreement with, out of nowhere.

For the record, I do not agree with you. And you should refrain from pretending anyone agrees with you.

The Christian Bible details how the Jewish people were to treat their slaves.

Are Jewish people currently slaveholders? Are you implying that?

[Anonymous]

Don’t proselytize. It’s that simple. Do whatever you want, but don’t come to my door trying t convert me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

Exactly. Freedom of religion means that the government shouldn’t force religion on others. Religious people have unethically - and unconstitutionally - been using the government to force their beliefs on others.

If anyone should be complaining about religious freedom right now, it’s the millions of oppressed people who’ve had their rights taken away from them by religious extremists.

You are wrong and live in a country where you are allowed complete freedom because we are a Christian nation. You ignore millions of slaves worldwide in non-Christian countries and the authoritarian anti- religious countries you would never want to live in for 10 minutes.

Great! So we both disagree with the Christian bible, which endorses slavery and provides instructions on how to manage slaves.

We both agree that is 100% immoral. Even though it is in the bible.

Thanks, Friend!

Oh look, it’s the intellectually dishonest poster who who declares that everyone agrees with their opinion, despite the inaccuracy of said declaration.

If someone suddenly declares you agree with them, even though you don’t, and calls you “friend,” they are supremely intellectually dishonest untrustworthy.

It’s the same poster that declares their opinion as facts that everyone suddenly is in complete agreement with, out of nowhere.

For the record, I do not agree with you. And you should refrain from pretending anyone agrees with you.

The Christian Bible details how the Jewish people were to treat their slaves.

Are Jewish people currently slaveholders? Are you implying that?

Do you think slaves should follow these instructions?
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.“