America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

To add: I don’t view “non-Christian” countries as a meaningful category, so there’s no accurate or meaningful way for me to answer your questions. I already live in a “non-Christian “ country.

Roughly 48.9% of Americans are Protestants, 23.0% are Catholics, 1.8% are Mormons (members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Christianity was introduced during the period of European colonization. The United States has the world's largest Christian population.

In the Declaration of Independence, there are three references to God.

Still not a Xian country.

About the same % of people supported slavery, so?

81% of Americans believe in God, according to Pew.

Guess you aren’t bLeSsEd with logic or reasoning.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

So you think a state should be able to make laws on their own and if they want to bring slavery back they should be allowed to.

Exactly.

In case you missed it, our country fought a war over state’s rights and slavery, and abolished slavery. You might want to research that issue. It has been definitively decided in the US.

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/modern-slavery/

However, non-Christian countries worldwide have millions of slaves.

And what was the outcome of the war? States can’t do whatever TF they want to do - including oppressing others. No one in our country should have their liberty crushed by people forcing their religion on others.

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I think religion has done more harm then good throughout history. People can have morals and ethics without religion. I wouldnt ban it. People can believe whatever they want, just as you cant force me to believe or follow your weird religious laws.

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OP pleaee see share links to posts on DCUM calling for the banning of religion in the US. I can’t find any. Thanks.

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Most atheists do not want to ban religion but it’s ignorant to say that religion has not been used as a great evil in this world. I say that as a deeply religious person, it’s sad but true. Many people have weaponized organized religion and caused great suffering.

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This thread is not about making people follow religion; it’s about the atheists and anti-theists here who post that religion is evil and religion should be banned. No one in our country is forced to be religious. However many people have espoused the belief that religion is stupid and should be banned, which is directly in opposition to our laws and traditions.

Yes people are forced to follow xian religions when laws are created by religious groups and forced upon everyone else.

Not letting gay people marry, limiting abortion, refusing to make cakes, refusing birth control, etc

https://www.jurist.org/features/2023/04/05/rule-of-law-chronicles-americas-shadow-theocrats/

Every religion has evil, not every religious person is evil. YOU need to check your own religion and speak up when they are being evil, but you don’t you just give them money to make laws to infringe on our rights.

Unfortunately in the USA we can’t ban the KKK, or any group including religion.

Yes we think it ridiculous that you believe that some dude died on the cross for your sins, or tfat god has called to kill a group of people or that god gave you a piece of land. It’s all ludicrous.

I don’t want to ban you from believing but I do want to ban you from the govt which is my constitutional right.

You do not have the right to “ban” religious people from “government.”

What do you even mean by that?

We do have the right to ban you from making laws that are based in religious beliefs.

Stop forcing your religion on others.

This. No one would GAF about what you do if you weren’t trying to force your religion on everyone else. And took unethical steps to do so.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There are no laws allowed to be made prohibiting the free exercise of religion in the US. The government can’t establish an official religion; and it cannot prohibit any American from freely exercising their religion.

States have every right and responsibility to hold free elections and pass laws that protect their interests.

Slavery doesn’t exist in America because we abolished it.

Again- why do atheists and anti-theists hate living in the freest country in the world? Yes, America has the largest percentage of population in the world that identify as Christian, and people are flooding our borders to come to our country.

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Anonymous wrote:So many posts here attack organized religion and call it evil and the source of evil in the world. People as recently as yesterday have posted they wish they could ban organized religion.

Why do these posters (atheists, anti-theists) not realize our entire country is based upon religious freedom? They are admitting openly they are in direct opposition of the express wishes of our country’s founders and our constitution and laws? Or do they realize and just don’t care?

Also, if you look at countries that limit religious freedom, you see a pattern of government control that makes said country extremely dangerous and authoritarian to live in, it’s not good. If you think organized religion is evil, why are the countries that limit or basically outlaw religion such terrible places to live?

If you are an atheist or anti- theist who thinks organized religion is evil, and you would like to ban organized religion, how do you feel about our forefathers (who thought religious freedom was extremely important) and the emphasis our laws place on religious freedom and liberty?

That’s quite the straw man you erected there. Didn’t all that lifting make you tired?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

To add: I don’t view “non-Christian” countries as a meaningful category, so there’s no accurate or meaningful way for me to answer your questions. I already live in a “non-Christian “ country.

America is predominantly Christian and Christian abolitionists were the driving force behind abolishing slavery.

As recently as the early 1990s, about 90% of U.S. adults identified as Christians. Today, about two-thirds of adults are Christians.

I see a distinction that you don’t. That many Americans identify in surveys as being some sort of Christian does not make the US a “Christian country “.

Yes, many abolitionists were “Christian “. Many enslavers and politicians who supported slavery, racial segregation, and Jim Crow laws also represented themselves as “Christian “. Identifying as “Christian “ and actually living according to the actual teachings of Christ are not the same.

You are living in a Christian country and have the ability to live in a country that is not Christian. Why do you not take that opportunity?

It’s a Protestant country. Catholics and Orthodox Christians and non Christians (same thing) can leave if they don’t like it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

To add: I don’t view “non-Christian” countries as a meaningful category, so there’s no accurate or meaningful way for me to answer your questions. I already live in a “non-Christian “ country.

Roughly 48.9% of Americans are Protestants, 23.0% are Catholics, 1.8% are Mormons (members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Christianity was introduced during the period of European colonization. The United States has the world's largest Christian population.

In the Declaration of Independence, there are three references to God.

Still not a Xian country.

About the same % of people supported slavery, so?

81% of Americans believe in God, according to Pew.

And reporting a belief “in God” says nothing about whether or not the people reporting such a belief view themselves as Christians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

Exactly. Freedom of religion means that the government shouldn’t force religion on others. Religious people have unethically - and unconstitutionally - been using the government to force their beliefs on others.

If anyone should be complaining about religious freedom right now, it’s the millions of oppressed people who’ve had their rights taken away from them by religious extremists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP pleaee see share links to posts on DCUM calling for the banning of religion in the US. I can’t find any. Thanks.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1170605.page

[Anonymous]

Enjoy!
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/07/1217855568/7-in-10-u-s-adults-consider-themselves-spiritual

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This thread is not about making people follow religion; it’s about the atheists and anti-theists here who post that religion is evil and religion should be banned. No one in our country is forced to be religious. However many people have espoused the belief that religion is stupid and should be banned, which is directly in opposition to our laws and traditions.

Yes people are forced to follow xian religions when laws are created by religious groups and forced upon everyone else.

Not letting gay people marry, limiting abortion, refusing to make cakes, refusing birth control, etc

https://www.jurist.org/features/2023/04/05/rule-of-law-chronicles-americas-shadow-theocrats/

Every religion has evil, not every religious person is evil. YOU need to check your own religion and speak up when they are being evil, but you don’t you just give them money to make laws to infringe on our rights.

Unfortunately in the USA we can’t ban the KKK, or any group including religion.

Yes we think it ridiculous that you believe that some dude died on the cross for your sins, or tfat god has called to kill a group of people or that god gave you a piece of land. It’s all ludicrous.

I don’t want to ban you from believing but I do want to ban you from the govt which is my constitutional right.

You do not have the right to “ban” religious people from “government.”

What do you even mean by that?

We do have the right to ban you from making laws that are based in religious beliefs.

Stop forcing your religion on others.

This. No one would GAF about what you do if you weren’t trying to force your religion on everyone else. And took unethical steps to do so.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There are no laws allowed to be made prohibiting the free exercise of religion in the US. The government can’t establish an official religion; and it cannot prohibit any American from freely exercising their religion.

States have every right and responsibility to hold free elections and pass laws that protect their interests.

Slavery doesn’t exist in America because we abolished it.

Again- why do atheists and anti-theists hate living in the freest country in the world? Yes, America has the largest percentage of population in the world that identify as Christian, and people are flooding our borders to come to our country.

I don’t hate the US. I just hate the ignorant, religious wackos trying to force their ignorant, wacko beliefs on everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:OP pleaee see share links to posts on DCUM calling for the banning of religion in the US. I can’t find any. Thanks.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1170605.page

Which page of that thread is there a post calling for the ban of religion? Didn’t see one on the first page. Thanks

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

Exactly. Freedom of religion means that the government shouldn’t force religion on others. Religious people have unethically - and unconstitutionally - been using the government to force their beliefs on others.

If anyone should be complaining about religious freedom right now, it’s the millions of oppressed people who’ve had their rights taken away from them by religious extremists.

You are wrong and live in a country where you are allowed complete freedom because we are a Christian nation. You ignore millions of slaves worldwide in non-Christian countries and the authoritarian anti- religious countries you would never want to live in for 10 minutes.