America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

There are lots of areas where the federal government supersedes states rights, and appropriately so. The abolition of slavery comes to mind — that’s what the Civil War was about. The south even tried to frame that as a “states’ rights” issue.

One reason is because when states like Ohio overwhelmingly vote to keep abortion legal, religious fanatics who got into the state legislature due to gerrymandering announce they will attempt to find workarounds.

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Anonymous wrote:OP pleaee see share links to posts on DCUM calling for the banning of religion in the US. I can’t find any. Thanks.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1170605.page

Which page of that thread is there a post calling for the ban of religion? Didn’t see one on the first page. Thanks

you can’t read beyond page 1?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

To add: I don’t view “non-Christian” countries as a meaningful category, so there’s no accurate or meaningful way for me to answer your questions. I already live in a “non-Christian “ country.

Roughly 48.9% of Americans are Protestants, 23.0% are Catholics, 1.8% are Mormons (members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Christianity was introduced during the period of European colonization. The United States has the world's largest Christian population.

In the Declaration of Independence, there are three references to God.

Still not a Xian country.

About the same % of people supported slavery, so?

81% of Americans believe in God, according to Pew.

And like half believe angels are real.

Humans are superstitious, silly creatures.

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Anonymous wrote:OP pleaee see share links to posts on DCUM calling for the banning of religion in the US. I can’t find any. Thanks.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1170605.page

Which page of that thread is there a post calling for the ban of religion? Didn’t see one on the first page. Thanks

you can’t read beyond page 1?

You imply you know of a single post of someone saying religion should be banned. But you won’t say where it is for some reason. Strange.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

Exactly. Freedom of religion means that the government shouldn’t force religion on others. Religious people have unethically - and unconstitutionally - been using the government to force their beliefs on others.

If anyone should be complaining about religious freedom right now, it’s the millions of oppressed people who’ve had their rights taken away from them by religious extremists.

You are wrong and live in a country where you are allowed complete freedom because we are a Christian nation. You ignore millions of slaves worldwide in non-Christian countries and the authoritarian anti- religious countries you would never want to live in for 10 minutes.

Wow. It’s must be truly freeing for you to go through life totally unencumbered by facts or logic. Or ethics.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

To add: I don’t view “non-Christian” countries as a meaningful category, so there’s no accurate or meaningful way for me to answer your questions. I already live in a “non-Christian “ country.

Roughly 48.9% of Americans are Protestants, 23.0% are Catholics, 1.8% are Mormons (members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Christianity was introduced during the period of European colonization. The United States has the world's largest Christian population.

In the Declaration of Independence, there are three references to God.

Still not a Xian country.

About the same % of people supported slavery, so?

81% of Americans believe in God, according to Pew.

And like half believe angels are real.

Humans are superstitious, silly creatures.

What % won’t walk under a ladder?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

So you think a state should be able to make laws on their own and if they want to bring slavery back they should be allowed to.

The United States has the largest Christian population in the world, and we have abolished slavery.

Non-Christian countries still have slaves.

Percentages are your friends.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-christian-countries

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Anonymous wrote:OP pleaee see share links to posts on DCUM calling for the banning of religion in the US. I can’t find any. Thanks.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1170605.page

Which page of that thread is there a post calling for the ban of religion? Didn’t see one on the first page. Thanks

you can’t read beyond page 1?

You imply you know of a single post of someone saying religion should be banned. But you won’t say where it is for some reason. Strange.

Also you seem to equate religion with Christianity. Religion refers to a wide variety of beliefs and practices and is not confined to Christianity. Judaism is a religion Wicca is a religion. Buddhism is a religion. Hinduism is a religion. Islam is a religion. Zoroaster is a religion. Paganism is a religion.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

Exactly. Freedom of religion means that the government shouldn’t force religion on others. Religious people have unethically - and unconstitutionally - been using the government to force their beliefs on others.

If anyone should be complaining about religious freedom right now, it’s the millions of oppressed people who’ve had their rights taken away from them by religious extremists.

You are wrong and live in a country where you are allowed complete freedom because we are a Christian nation. You ignore millions of slaves worldwide in non-Christian countries and the authoritarian anti- religious countries you would never want to live in for 10 minutes.

Lol. Your repeating perseveratively that “we are a Christian nation” does not make it so. Your association of slavery with “non-Christian countries” is spurious. You’re not representing “Christians” well here. You might want to spend more time with Jesuits and less time apparently believing that repeating the same incorrect things multiple times somehow make them real.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

There are lots of areas where the federal government supersedes states rights, and appropriately so. The abolition of slavery comes to mind — that’s what the Civil War was about. The south even tried to frame that as a “states’ rights” issue.

One reason is because when states like Ohio overwhelmingly vote to keep abortion legal, religious fanatics who got into the state legislature due to gerrymandering announce they will attempt to find workarounds.

Well said. Maybe OP could take a 5 minute break from proselytizing to actually read the news.

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This thread is not about making people follow religion; it’s about the atheists and anti-theists here who post that religion is evil and religion should be banned. No one in our country is forced to be religious. However many people have espoused the belief that religion is stupid and should be banned, which is directly in opposition to our laws and traditions.

Yes people are forced to follow xian religions when laws are created by religious groups and forced upon everyone else.

Not letting gay people marry, limiting abortion, refusing to make cakes, refusing birth control, etc

https://www.jurist.org/features/2023/04/05/rule-of-law-chronicles-americas-shadow-theocrats/

Every religion has evil, not every religious person is evil. YOU need to check your own religion and speak up when they are being evil, but you don’t you just give them money to make laws to infringe on our rights.

Unfortunately in the USA we can’t ban the KKK, or any group including religion.

Yes we think it ridiculous that you believe that some dude died on the cross for your sins, or tfat god has called to kill a group of people or that god gave you a piece of land. It’s all ludicrous.

I don’t want to ban you from believing but I do want to ban you from the govt which is my constitutional right.

You do not have the right to “ban” religious people from “government.”

What do you even mean by that?

We do have the right to ban you from making laws that are based in religious beliefs.

Stop forcing your religion on others.

This. No one would GAF about what you do if you weren’t trying to force your religion on everyone else. And took unethical steps to do so.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There are no laws allowed to be made prohibiting the free exercise of religion in the US. The government can’t establish an official religion; and it cannot prohibit any American from freely exercising their religion.

States have every right and responsibility to hold free elections and pass laws that protect their interests.

Slavery doesn’t exist in America because we abolished it.

Again- why do atheists and anti-theists hate living in the freest country in the world? Yes, America has the largest percentage of population in the world that identify as Christian, and people are flooding our borders to come to our country.

Slavery doesn't exist in America because WE DID NOT LEAVE IT UP TO STATES.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

There are lots of areas where the federal government supersedes states rights, and appropriately so. The abolition of slavery comes to mind — that’s what the Civil War was about. The south even tried to frame that as a “states’ rights” issue.

One reason is because when states like Ohio overwhelmingly vote to keep abortion legal, religious fanatics who got into the state legislature due to gerrymandering announce they will attempt to find workarounds.

Well said. Maybe OP could take a 5 minute break from proselytizing to actually read the news.

Abortion is a state issue, and not the topic of this thread.

The topic is: why people who dislike religion, think religion is evil, want to ban religion, etc, live in the most Christian populated country in the world and enjoy the most freedom in the world, and don’t acknowledge the most religiously restrictive countries in the world are authoritarian and oppressive to their citizens.

It’s a question people posting here are avoiding answering and are defaulting to slavery (which is no longer allowed in our country and abortion (which has been given back to each state to decide.)

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Anonymous wrote:OP pleaee see share links to posts on DCUM calling for the banning of religion in the US. I can’t find any. Thanks.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1170605.page

Which page of that thread is there a post calling for the ban of religion? Didn’t see one on the first page. Thanks

you can’t read beyond page 1?

You imply you know of a single post of someone saying religion should be banned. But you won’t say where it is for some reason. Strange.

She doesn't have to prove it she just needs to believe. lol

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

There are lots of areas where the federal government supersedes states rights, and appropriately so. The abolition of slavery comes to mind — that’s what the Civil War was about. The south even tried to frame that as a “states’ rights” issue.

One reason is because when states like Ohio overwhelmingly vote to keep abortion legal, religious fanatics who got into the state legislature due to gerrymandering announce they will attempt to find workarounds.

Well said. Maybe OP could take a 5 minute break from proselytizing to actually read the news.

Abortion is a state issue, and not the topic of this thread.

The topic is: why people who dislike religion, think religion is evil, want to ban religion, etc, live in the most Christian populated country in the world and enjoy the most freedom in the world, and don’t acknowledge the most religiously restrictive countries in the world are authoritarian and oppressive to their citizens.

It’s a question people posting here are avoiding answering and are defaulting to slavery (which is no longer allowed in our country and abortion (which has been given back to each state to decide.)

Abortion is a human issue. Women should lose their liberty because they are in a different state.

It was only “given back to the states” because the religious right has been plotting for decades to unethically take over the SCOTUS.

We dislike religion because the religious right is trying to force their religion on everyone else against their will.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

There are lots of areas where the federal government supersedes states rights, and appropriately so. The abolition of slavery comes to mind — that’s what the Civil War was about. The south even tried to frame that as a “states’ rights” issue.

One reason is because when states like Ohio overwhelmingly vote to keep abortion legal, religious fanatics who got into the state legislature due to gerrymandering announce they will attempt to find workarounds.

Well said. Maybe OP could take a 5 minute break from proselytizing to actually read the news.

Abortion is a state issue, and not the topic of this thread.

The topic is: why people who dislike religion, think religion is evil, want to ban religion, etc, live in the most Christian populated country in the world and enjoy the most freedom in the world, and don’t acknowledge the most religiously restrictive countries in the world are authoritarian and oppressive to their citizens.

It’s a question people posting here are avoiding answering and are defaulting to slavery (which is no longer allowed in our country and abortion (which has been given back to each state to decide.)

Abortion is the topic of this thread because the abortion laws are based in theocracy which forces your religious beliefs onto others.

You and your ilk are pushing your religious beliefs on others under the guise of "the majority want it", when 1) it's not the majority 2) it doesn't matter what the majority want, you can't for religion on anybody in the US.