America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?

[Anonymous]

So many posts here attack organized religion and call it evil and the source of evil in the world. People as recently as yesterday have posted they wish they could ban organized religion.

Why do these posters (atheists, anti-theists) not realize our entire country is based upon religious freedom? They are admitting openly they are in direct opposition of the express wishes of our country’s founders and our constitution and laws? Or do they realize and just don’t care?

Also, if you look at countries that limit religious freedom, you see a pattern of government control that makes said country extremely dangerous and authoritarian to live in, it’s not good. If you think organized religion is evil, why are the countries that limit or basically outlaw religion such terrible places to live?

If you are an atheist or anti- theist who thinks organized religion is evil, and you would like to ban organized religion, how do you feel about our forefathers (who thought religious freedom was extremely important) and the emphasis our laws place on religious freedom and liberty?

[Anonymous]

Our country has a lot of things at its founding. Slaves. Only men getting to vote. Just because it was there in the beginning doesn’t make it right.

Also, it was founded as freedom from government imposed religion. I’m sure nobody actually wants to ban you from doing whatever stupid ish you want to do on your own time. But keep it to yourself.

[Anonymous]

I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

[Anonymous]

Christian abolitionists were behind the movement to stop and then abolish slavery in the US.

Slavery exists now throughout the world in greater numbers than any time in recorded history, mostly women and children.

Christian countries don’t have slaves anymore, but countries that limit religious freedom/aren’t Christian do have slaves in present day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our country has a lot of things at its founding. Slaves. Only men getting to vote. Just because it was there in the beginning doesn’t make it right.

Also, it was founded as freedom from government imposed religion. I’m sure nobody actually wants to ban you from doing whatever stupid ish you want to do on your own time. But keep it to yourself.

No; lots of constant comments about religion being evil, Christians being evil, organized religion should be banned.

And you believe religion is stupid $hit? Just Christianity? Or are Jewish people stupid $hit too? What about UU? Episcopal churches and members, $hit?

Who is stupid $hit? All religions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

To add: I don’t view “non-Christian” countries as a meaningful category, so there’s no accurate or meaningful way for me to answer your questions. I already live in a “non-Christian “ country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

This thread is not about making people follow religion; it’s about the atheists and anti-theists here who post that religion is evil and religion should be banned. No one in our country is forced to be religious. However many people have espoused the belief that religion is stupid and should be banned, which is directly in opposition to our laws and traditions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

To add: I don’t view “non-Christian” countries as a meaningful category, so there’s no accurate or meaningful way for me to answer your questions. I already live in a “non-Christian “ country.

America is predominantly Christian and Christian abolitionists were the driving force behind abolishing slavery.

As recently as the early 1990s, about 90% of U.S. adults identified as Christians. Today, about two-thirds of adults are Christians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

States decide their own stances on abortion, and have done so legislatively and through elections.

You don’t agree that each state should be allowed to do that? Why do you think your opinion about abortion is more important than the right of states to have free elections and states to make their own decisions and laws about any issue?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not an atheist. I am extremely concerned that many people now believe that their own freedom of religion can be used politically and legally to limit the freedoms of those of us who do not share their particular brand of religious beliefs. This is both dangerous and contrary to the freedoms that the founders of this country intended. Many religious beliefs and behaviors are indeed evil — and parts of this country are rapidly becoming, as you put it, terrible places to live for many of us.

Your appeals to “our” forefathers don’t move me very much. The ideals that this country was founded upon are extremely important. As a Black female, though, I get that my freedom and Liberty and that of most of MY forefathers — on any level, from physical to religious— wasn’t on their list of priorities. Evil is still evil — no matter how many flags you wave or Bibles you clutch.

What parts of the country are becoming terrible places to live because of religion?

What do you think of the pervasiveness of predominantly female and child slavery in non- christian countries?

Are you concerned for the women and children worldwide who will live short miserable lives as slaves while you have complete freedom in America and complain about Christianity?

Would you trade places with them to live a life free from Christianity?

https://states.guttmacher.org/policies/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxcD2uNf_ggMVh4JaBR1Y3gDUEAAYASAAEgKcQPD_BwE

To add: I don’t view “non-Christian” countries as a meaningful category, so there’s no accurate or meaningful way for me to answer your questions. I already live in a “non-Christian “ country.

America is predominantly Christian and Christian abolitionists were the driving force behind abolishing slavery.

As recently as the early 1990s, about 90% of U.S. adults identified as Christians. Today, about two-thirds of adults are Christians.

I see a distinction that you don’t. That many Americans identify in surveys as being some sort of Christian does not make the US a “Christian country “.

Yes, many abolitionists were “Christian “. Many enslavers and politicians who supported slavery, racial segregation, and Jim Crow laws also represented themselves as “Christian “. Identifying as “Christian “ and actually living according to the actual teachings of Christ are not the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This thread is not about making people follow religion; it’s about the atheists and anti-theists here who post that religion is evil and religion should be banned. No one in our country is forced to be religious. However many people have espoused the belief that religion is stupid and should be banned, which is directly in opposition to our laws and traditions.

Yes people are forced to follow xian religions when laws are created by religious groups and forced upon everyone else.

Not letting gay people marry, limiting abortion, refusing to make cakes, refusing birth control, etc

https://www.jurist.org/features/2023/04/05/rule-of-law-chronicles-americas-shadow-theocrats/

Every religion has evil, not every religious person is evil. YOU need to check your own religion and speak up when they are being evil, but you don’t you just give them money to make laws to infringe on our rights.

Unfortunately in the USA we can’t ban the KKK, or any group including religion.

Yes we think it ridiculous that you believe that some dude died on the cross for your sins, or tfat god has called to kill a group of people or that god gave you a piece of land. It’s all ludicrous.

I don’t want to ban you from believing but I do want to ban you from the govt which is my constitutional right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This thread is not about making people follow religion; it’s about the atheists and anti-theists here who post that religion is evil and religion should be banned. No one in our country is forced to be religious. However many people have espoused the belief that religion is stupid and should be banned, which is directly in opposition to our laws and traditions.

Yes people are forced to follow xian religions when laws are created by religious groups and forced upon everyone else.

Not letting gay people marry, limiting abortion, refusing to make cakes, refusing birth control, etc

https://www.jurist.org/features/2023/04/05/rule-of-law-chronicles-americas-shadow-theocrats/

Every religion has evil, not every religious person is evil. YOU need to check your own religion and speak up when they are being evil, but you don’t you just give them money to make laws to infringe on our rights.

Unfortunately in the USA we can’t ban the KKK, or any group including religion.

Yes we think it ridiculous that you believe that some dude died on the cross for your sins, or tfat god has called to kill a group of people or that god gave you a piece of land. It’s all ludicrous.

I don’t want to ban you from believing but I do want to ban you from the govt which is my constitutional right.

You do not have the right to “ban” religious people from “government.”

What do you even mean by that?