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When is the first year MV kids aren't "guaranteed" DCI access?
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Anonymous
Ok but why are the other kids testing so poorly?Thanks for that awesome single data point! Calle Ocho is nowhere near as bad as P St btw. |
Anonymous
Nope, I wouldn’t say kids are doing poorly at all at CO. Math is good. ELA is lower but MV is the only school that is truly 100% immersion in the early years and truly 50% immersion in the upper grades. |
Anonymous
It isn't great, relative to demographics, but it isn't terrible. But also, small data set, just one year of data, and 5th grade is when a lot of smart kids leave for BASIS and Latin. So Calle Ocho might do worse. P St. scores are embarrassing. |
Anonymous
LOL, so first you say kids are testing poorly. Then you say it’s not terrible. Then you try to justify with demographics. Then you say it’s a small data set. I could care less about demographics or at risk. I could care less about race or SES. I say that as a minority who grew up on FARMS. I care about peer groups. Math is what you want to look at and close to 1/2 the kids are getting 4 and 5’s. BTW let’s circle back here when CO gets data for all of 3rd to 5th. Lastly it’s obvious you don’t know what you are talking about and you have not seen the data with how many kids from MV actually track to DCI. |
Anonymous
Calle Ocho has a small data set, both in number of kids and number of years to look at. Calle Ocho's test scores are not terrible-- almost half the kids are passing math! Super wow, what an astonishing achievement! But only 27% passed the ELA PARCC. It's funny how a school of mostly high-income kids is still seeing so much failure... P St.'s test scores are bad, and they're terrible relative to demographics. I do care about it because I think it shouldn't be that hard to get decent test scores on mostly high-income kids. If you have data on MV kids choosing DCI, feel free to share. Meanwhile, why don't you explain to us why P St is clearing almost all of its waitlists. It wasn't like that a few years ago. And the total population of the school district is growing. So you tell me. |
Anonymous
NP, why do you care if it is obvious that you have no experience with the school? Get a hobby! |
Anonymous
The reality is that the overwhelming majority of immersion families, especially those in the Spanish tracks, are not going to Latin or Basis. Latin straight out at their open house this year said so when the question was asked. DCI is a good viable option and getting better every year. The IB program at the high school is pretty good. The families desperate to get into Latin and Basis are the ones who are not in immersion and don’t have a viable middle/high school option. |
Anonymous
Forgot to add, we are a feeder with a high performing kid and looked at both Latin and Basis and not considering either at all. We are far from the only family in this situation tracking to DCI. |
Anonymous
With which of my comments do you disagree? |
Anonymous
PP here. It’s obvious you have absolutely no kids at the school, are triggered, and have a chip on your shoulder.It’s also obvious you make these blank statements that data proves you wrong. First, 50% kids in upper elementary performing at or above grade level is pretty good. Why don’t you tell us which school you are at and what your percentages are. Why don’t you tell us which schools are performing better with 60% or greater at or above grade level? Second, I’m sorry but you are clueless. Just because there are middle class families doesn’t mean everyone is performing at or above grade level. Some kids are not, some have IEP, dyslexia, etc… Academic performance is a bell shape curve with ideally majority at grade level and then under-performers and over performers. But that’s not how it is in DC. That curve is shifted way left with majority performing below grade level, some schools way below grade level. Thirdly, studies have shown that kids in immersion perform lower on ELA than kids in traditional curriculum because they get less ELA. Kids at MV get none, 0, until 1st grade and only then 50% of traditional curriculum. Immersion kids do catch up in later elementary and you will see this in the next few years as more data becomes available for CO. Feel free to care about demographics all you want. Most of us don’t. What we care about is majority performing at or above grade level for the teaching to occur at least at grade level and then differentiation can occur for both above and below in small group work. Lastly, the data is right there on the waitlist with how many kids from each feeder are tracking to DCI. All kids from all the Spanish immersion feeders are going to DCI. I don’t really care about waitlist and can’t comment on P st since we are not there. I care that my kid is learning and continues to learn and improve, that he loves his teachers, that there are consequences for behavior issues in the classroom, and the great, involved parent community. |
Anonymous
1) Calle Ocho does not have the majority of kids scoring on or above grade level (47% in math and 27% in ELA) and neither does P St (29% in math and 40% in ELA). Why do you think you have that when you clearly don't? Not even close. 2) If kids catch up in ELA over time, why are only 40% of the P St. kids passing the ELA PARCC? 3) Some schools with 60% or better at grade level on at least one PARCC include Brent, Maury, Oyster, Ross, Shepherd, and Ward 3 schools. As well as Yu Ying. Yes, it's hard to get over 60%. But it's not very hard to do better than MV P St! Some schools with better PARCC scores than P St in both subjects include, in addition to those listed above, Bruce-Monroe, DCB, Stokes Brookland, Garrison, ITDS, LAMB, Ludlow-Taylor, SWW@FS, SWS, and Watkins. My kids are at one of these schools, and we're so happy we turned down an offer from MV a few years ago. 4) Saying you don't care about demographics or the waitlist doesn't make those things go away. The lack of a waitlist at P St. in most grades is a huge red flag. They used to have a very long waitlist for ECE. What happened? And poor performance relative to demographics is a red flag for quality whether you care about it or not. 5) Yes people from feeder elementaries do opt not to attend DCI. It looks like the number of admits matches the number of seats, but that's just a quirk of the data-- it's set to be equal, and you don't get to see how many people actually enroll. People opt out of DCI early by going to Latin/BASIS/ITDS or by getting into a JR feeder for 4th or 5th-- I know Oyster is a popular destination for kids who can pass the test. You can view data here on where kids from Mundo went in a particular year: https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways. |
Anonymous
I am not Pp, but I am going to help you with Hobby ideas: Learn a new language, learn to play an instrument, join gym, read a book, volunteer, etc. Any of these will help your body and mind and you won’t waste time thinking about a school that your kids don’t attend. |
Anonymous
+1. No kids at MV and know almost nothing about the school because why would I. |
Anonymous
You specifically said why are the kids at CO testing so poorly. I’m the PP, and I stand by my statement that CO math scores are pretty good. 1. You have a reading comprehension problem, I never said majority are at grade level. I said about 50% kids on or above grade level and that not many schools can beat that with 60%. Then I talked about the bell shape curve and majority in the middle. When a school has a critical mass of kids at and above grade level, teachers can actually teach grade level content. BTW, math and all subjects are taught in Spanish 50% of the time because MV has a truly immersion model. So out of all the schools EOTP that you listed above and many more that you did not, only a handful has 60% or greater, many of which are not even immersion/bilingual schools and math is taught in all English. Don’t try to detract from the issue. We are talking about CO, and I have already said I can’t comment on P St since I have no kids there, different principals, admin, teachers, and staff. 2. Like I said, kids do better later elementary. I will say one reason CO is low is because last year 3rd graders who took PARCC were actually in 1st when schools were closed, a big and important year for phonics and reading. Then add that they had 50% less ELA on top of that than a traditional curriculum. I predict much better numbers in the next 2years as the kids coming up don’t lose over a year of in person schooling. 3. See #1 4. No I don’t give a s”hit about waitlist. Try to stay focus here, we are talking about Calle Ocho, not P. BTW if you want to die on this hill about waitlist, the majority of schools you mentioned above have no waitlist in one or multiple grades, and again I don’t care. Feel free to base your judgement of schools by waitlist popularity. 5. The most recent waitlist data shows how many spots for each school and how many kids at the school took the spots. It is not a quirk and the number of admits don’t match the number seats. You can clearly see if you look at previous years that the numbers were not equal. Lastly, PP. Why the evasiveness? We are still waiting to hear where your kids go to school. Then we can judge your school from afar and disregard that your kid is happy and doing well there. But really the bottom line of all this is that you are not confident in your choice and insecure, or else you wouldn’t be so invested in putting down a school where your kids don’t even go. That’s why the comment below from multiple posters. Best to put your energy into making your school better, because if you were really happy there, you wouldn’t spend all your time here. |
Anonymous
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From what I can tell, the vast majority of parents posting negative things about the school are either venting about very current frustrations ( like the parents who protested and MV called the cops on them) or they are parents who left the school in the past 5 years in extreme frustration, and are trying to warn others.
These waves of complaints are typically countered by 1 or 2 Calle Ocho parents who offer a single anecdote about how their one kid managed to dodge all of the bullets (the repeated and systemic issues raised by the negative parents) and is doing fine. |