When is the first year MV kids aren't "guaranteed" DCI access?

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Anonymous wrote:I notice this doesn't say anything about sibling preference within the feeder school preference. And I see that on the waitlist data page it reports how many matched students were siblings and how many were not, but does that indicate a ranked preference or is that more just a description of the data set?

https://www.mundoverdepcs.org/dci-school-preference

Transfer Preference
All Mundo Verde 5th grade students will continue to be eligible for a transfer preference.

If there are more students interested in transferring to DC International than we have spaces, the spaces will be assigned via lottery among the Mundo Verde students with preference (still using MySchoolDC platform).

We estimate having 130 5th grade graduates interested in transfer spaces - resulting in a 60 percent chance of being offered a space at DC International.

Each school has its own lottery results for DCI. Within those results is data within preference categories.

So do MV graduates get sibling preference at DCI or not?

Call the school and ask? It is clear that DCUM doesn't know.

I called and asked last fall.

My children were both at a feeder, and older child got a spot at BASIS. One (of many) factors was if this would impact younger child's likelihood of getting into DCI (older child was in a class guaranteed a spot, younger child was not, but if older child turned down BASIS and went to DCI, younger child could have both Feeder + Sibling preference if that was a thing). The lovely people I spoke with (I called two separate times) said: "DCI has not yet decided how it would handle this situation." I realize that is not a satisfying answer, but I do think that part of the reason for the confusion and uncertainty, is that there is not yet a decision as to how this will be addressed.

Thank you. Stokes has 5th grade classes at both locations for the first time this year, so I hope they will figure it out soon.

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Anonymous wrote:How were MV PARCC scores this past year? Does anyone know? I am rooting for that school, but it often seems to get in its own way.

https://osse.dc.gov/assessmentresults2023

Choose "School Level". At P St, less than 30% of the kids were on grade level in math, and less than 40% in ELA.

But IMMERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Says someone that has no idea about the brain benefits of bilingual education.

+1. Imagine how bad the scores would be without immersion.

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Anonymous wrote:How were MV PARCC scores this past year? Does anyone know? I am rooting for that school, but it often seems to get in its own way.

https://osse.dc.gov/assessmentresults2023

Choose "School Level". At P St, less than 30% of the kids were on grade level in math, and less than 40% in ELA.

But IMMERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Says someone that has no idea about the brain benefits of bilingual education.

To summarize: Someone commented on how bad the PARCC scores were. Another poster sarcastically replied to scream IMMERSION as a joke about people who are willing to write off and ignore academic failures in the name of immersion. To which you replied...that immersion is so special and important that people should write off and ignore academic failures in the name of immersion.

If that was comedy....No notes.

The funny part is that these scores are still higher than the DCPS average.

They're godawful relative to demographics, obviously.

+1. MV is 11% at-risk across both campuses, versus 45.6% at-risk in DCPS. A school with such a low at-risk population should be doing much better, immersion or not.

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Anonymous wrote:How were MV PARCC scores this past year? Does anyone know? I am rooting for that school, but it often seems to get in its own way.

https://osse.dc.gov/assessmentresults2023

Choose "School Level". At P St, less than 30% of the kids were on grade level in math, and less than 40% in ELA.

But IMMERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Says someone that has no idea about the brain benefits of bilingual education.

To summarize: Someone commented on how bad the PARCC scores were. Another poster sarcastically replied to scream IMMERSION as a joke about people who are willing to write off and ignore academic failures in the name of immersion. To which you replied...that immersion is so special and important that people should write off and ignore academic failures in the name of immersion.

If that was comedy....No notes.

The funny part is that these scores are still higher than the DCPS average.

45.6 percent of all DCPS students are identified as at risk (qualify for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), have been identified as homeless during the academic year, who under the care of the Child and Family Services Agency (CFSA or “foster care”), and who are high school students at least one year older than the expected age for their grade.)

The best you can say for a school that is 11% at-risk and self selects with lottery applications is that it "better than the DCPS average"?

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Let's see... so MV P St (using just one campus for simplicity) has 19% at-risk, 20% ELLs, and 14.5% SWD. And using the OSSE PARCC scores for Approaching/Meeting/Exceeding, has 58% of kids scoring a 3/4/5 on PARCC for ELA, and 54.5% for Math.
https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard/schoolsnapshot

So now to compare to other elementary schools. Powell has test scores almost as good as MV's despite 37% at-risk and 67% ELLs. Test scores at Bruce-Monroe are also similar to Mundo's-- PARCC scores in the 50s and 60s-- but 33% at-risk and 65 ELLs. Other DCPS schools with similar test scores include Barnard (46% at-risk and 46% ELLs), LaSalle-Backus (56% at-risk and 46% ELLs), Marie Reed (30% at-risk and 43% ELLs).

DCI feeders: LAMB's test scores are massively better-- in the 70s-- and the demographics are a little more favorable (8% at-risk and 17% ELL). Stokes Brookland similarly much better PARCC scores, 9% at-risk and 16% ELL). Similarly DCB has PARCC sccores in the 70s, yet 17% at-risk and 34% ELLs.

This is so much worse than I realized! Lordy...

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I wonder why this school bring so many emotions to DCUM?

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Many people have been burned by the school because it overpromised in its early days and it massively under-delivered. When parents first raised concerns, they were called elitist or racist by some on this board. Last year, the school called the cops on a group of parents who dared to demand something better than a revolving door of substitute teachers. Those are fresh wounds that can lead to strong feelings.

It is a big deal to uproot and move an elementary school child, and those who did -- I'm one of them -- distill resent the experience. Many are still trying to get their kids back on track academically, several years later.

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Anonymous wrote:Many people have been burned by the school because it overpromised in its early days and it massively under-delivered. When parents first raised concerns, they were called elitist or racist by some on this board. Last year, the school called the cops on a group of parents who dared to demand something better than a revolving door of substitute teachers. Those are fresh wounds that can lead to strong feelings.

It is a big deal to uproot and move an elementary school child, and those who did -- I'm one of them -- distill resent the experience. Many are still trying to get their kids back on track academically, several years later.

This. And because of the great school that could have been-- that almost was. Because it makes me furious that the so-called "charter movement" will tolerate such terrible performance in the name of "flexibility" and "innovation".

Because I feel sad when I see all those little kids being marched through Trauma Circle and witnessing things kids shouldn't see, just so they can not learn Spanish very well and not learn ELA very well either.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see... so MV P St (using just one campus for simplicity) has 19% at-risk, 20% ELLs, and 14.5% SWD. And using the OSSE PARCC scores for Approaching/Meeting/Exceeding, has 58% of kids scoring a 3/4/5 on PARCC for ELA, and 54.5% for Math.
https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard/schoolsnapshot

So now to compare to other elementary schools. Powell has test scores almost as good as MV's despite 37% at-risk and 67% ELLs. Test scores at Bruce-Monroe are also similar to Mundo's-- PARCC scores in the 50s and 60s-- but 33% at-risk and 65 ELLs. Other DCPS schools with similar test scores include Barnard (46% at-risk and 46% ELLs), LaSalle-Backus (56% at-risk and 46% ELLs), Marie Reed (30% at-risk and 43% ELLs).

DCI feeders: LAMB's test scores are massively better-- in the 70s-- and the demographics are a little more favorable (8% at-risk and 17% ELL). Stokes Brookland similarly much better PARCC scores, 9% at-risk and 16% ELL). Similarly DCB has PARCC sccores in the 70s, yet 17% at-risk and 34% ELLs.

This is so much worse than I realized! Lordy...

My kids aren’t at MV, but I worked at one of the schools you mention. The test prep is unreal. It is not hard to do well on a test when you prep for it all year. It’s one of the reasons I left.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why this school bring so many emotions to DCUM?

+1. It’s really weird. My kids go to another charter that is well loved here and I don’t think it’s that great. I have friends with kids at Mv Calle ocho and it doesn’t seem that different.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see... so MV P St (using just one campus for simplicity) has 19% at-risk, 20% ELLs, and 14.5% SWD. And using the OSSE PARCC scores for Approaching/Meeting/Exceeding, has 58% of kids scoring a 3/4/5 on PARCC for ELA, and 54.5% for Math.
https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard/schoolsnapshot

So now to compare to other elementary schools. Powell has test scores almost as good as MV's despite 37% at-risk and 67% ELLs. Test scores at Bruce-Monroe are also similar to Mundo's-- PARCC scores in the 50s and 60s-- but 33% at-risk and 65 ELLs. Other DCPS schools with similar test scores include Barnard (46% at-risk and 46% ELLs), LaSalle-Backus (56% at-risk and 46% ELLs), Marie Reed (30% at-risk and 43% ELLs).

DCI feeders: LAMB's test scores are massively better-- in the 70s-- and the demographics are a little more favorable (8% at-risk and 17% ELL). Stokes Brookland similarly much better PARCC scores, 9% at-risk and 16% ELL). Similarly DCB has PARCC sccores in the 70s, yet 17% at-risk and 34% ELLs.

This is so much worse than I realized! Lordy...

My kids aren’t at MV, but I worked at one of the schools you mention. The test prep is unreal. It is not hard to do well on a test when you prep for it all year. It’s one of the reasons I left.

Not at Bruce Monroe. My child is terrible at standardized tests and when I asked about how he could prepare more, I got a speech about what’s important to focus on in school and how those skills will come in time (it was actual learning, not taking the test). Which I appreciate, but he really is terrible despite being an excellent student and bright kid.

And yes, a school like Bruce Monroe has a lot of very at-risk kids that aren’t prepared for testing or keeping up with grade level expectations, particularly if they’re not Spanish dominant. They differentiate very well, for all levels of learning (top and bottom of the class), but a school with a high risk percentage is just not going to be able to have the same overall scores as a school with a lower at-risk population.

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Surely there's a middle ground between excessive test prep and having most kids fail the PARCC despite not being at-risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see... so MV P St (using just one campus for simplicity) has 19% at-risk, 20% ELLs, and 14.5% SWD. And using the OSSE PARCC scores for Approaching/Meeting/Exceeding, has 58% of kids scoring a 3/4/5 on PARCC for ELA, and 54.5% for Math.
https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard/schoolsnapshot

So now to compare to other elementary schools. Powell has test scores almost as good as MV's despite 37% at-risk and 67% ELLs. Test scores at Bruce-Monroe are also similar to Mundo's-- PARCC scores in the 50s and 60s-- but 33% at-risk and 65 ELLs. Other DCPS schools with similar test scores include Barnard (46% at-risk and 46% ELLs), LaSalle-Backus (56% at-risk and 46% ELLs), Marie Reed (30% at-risk and 43% ELLs).

DCI feeders: LAMB's test scores are massively better-- in the 70s-- and the demographics are a little more favorable (8% at-risk and 17% ELL). Stokes Brookland similarly much better PARCC scores, 9% at-risk and 16% ELL). Similarly DCB has PARCC sccores in the 70s, yet 17% at-risk and 34% ELLs.

This is so much worse than I realized! Lordy...

My kids aren’t at MV, but I worked at one of the schools you mention. The test prep is unreal. It is not hard to do well on a test when you prep for it all year. It’s one of the reasons I left.

Not at Bruce Monroe. My child is terrible at standardized tests and when I asked about how he could prepare more, I got a speech about what’s important to focus on in school and how those skills will come in time (it was actual learning, not taking the test). Which I appreciate, but he really is terrible despite being an excellent student and bright kid.

And yes, a school like Bruce Monroe has a lot of very at-risk kids that aren’t prepared for testing or keeping up with grade level expectations, particularly if they’re not Spanish dominant. They differentiate very well, for all levels of learning (top and bottom of the class), but a school with a high risk percentage is just not going to be able to have the same overall scores as a school with a lower at-risk population.

Except that Bruce-Monroe actually does have overall scores very similar to MV P St. So what does that say about MV?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why this school bring so many emotions to DCUM?

+1. It’s really weird. My kids go to another charter that is well loved here and I don’t think it’s that great. I have friends with kids at Mv Calle ocho and it doesn’t seem that different.

Calle Ocho's stats are in some ways better than P St's, and people are still going easy on Calle Ocho because the upper grades are new or didn't exist for last year's PARCC. And the stats aren't as meaningful because it has less kids taking the PARCC total.

I agree that DCUM isn't a very objective source of reviews, that's why I try to offer actual data and base my analysis on the data.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see... so MV P St (using just one campus for simplicity) has 19% at-risk, 20% ELLs, and 14.5% SWD. And using the OSSE PARCC scores for Approaching/Meeting/Exceeding, has 58% of kids scoring a 3/4/5 on PARCC for ELA, and 54.5% for Math.
https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard/schoolsnapshot

So now to compare to other elementary schools. Powell has test scores almost as good as MV's despite 37% at-risk and 67% ELLs. Test scores at Bruce-Monroe are also similar to Mundo's-- PARCC scores in the 50s and 60s-- but 33% at-risk and 65 ELLs. Other DCPS schools with similar test scores include Barnard (46% at-risk and 46% ELLs), LaSalle-Backus (56% at-risk and 46% ELLs), Marie Reed (30% at-risk and 43% ELLs).

DCI feeders: LAMB's test scores are massively better-- in the 70s-- and the demographics are a little more favorable (8% at-risk and 17% ELL). Stokes Brookland similarly much better PARCC scores, 9% at-risk and 16% ELL). Similarly DCB has PARCC sccores in the 70s, yet 17% at-risk and 34% ELLs.

This is so much worse than I realized! Lordy...

My kids aren’t at MV, but I worked at one of the schools you mention. The test prep is unreal. It is not hard to do well on a test when you prep for it all year. It’s one of the reasons I left.

Not at Bruce Monroe. My child is terrible at standardized tests and when I asked about how he could prepare more, I got a speech about what’s important to focus on in school and how those skills will come in time (it was actual learning, not taking the test). Which I appreciate, but he really is terrible despite being an excellent student and bright kid.

And yes, a school like Bruce Monroe has a lot of very at-risk kids that aren’t prepared for testing or keeping up with grade level expectations, particularly if they’re not Spanish dominant. They differentiate very well, for all levels of learning (top and bottom of the class), but a school with a high risk percentage is just not going to be able to have the same overall scores as a school with a lower at-risk population.

Is your kid in an upper grade?