Teen Driver Intentionally Hits Officer on 270 - October 18

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you drive 136 mph on a busy public highway (which he was arrested for previously) it should be treated the same from a legal standpoint as indiscriminately firing a gun in public place like a shopping mall. This piece of sh*t should have been in prison a long time ago for his recklessness.

Yes, it should be, but it isn't.

Another question is why it's legal to have cars that you can drive 136 mph. Why aren't cars speed-limited to a maximum of 80 mph?

Because it’s rare that anyone actually drives like this.

First of all, it's not at all rare for people to drive at dangerous speeds on 270. There have been several times in just the past week where I was driving on 270 and someone zoomed past me and all the other cars on the road.

Second of all, so what? What would we lose, if cars were speed-limited to a maximum of 80 mph? Compare to the police officer, who lost his legs.

This idiot is orders of magnitude worse than any of the people driving faster than you would like on 270. Even the most lead footed beltway slalom driver is not well known by police because they try to instigate a pursuit.

Beltway slalom drivers are not well known to police because they avoid police. That doesn't help the rest of us stay safe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is where the death penalty would come in handy.

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Would this stop other people? I hope he’s in jail forever at least.

No, I do NOT want this animal to be in jail forever. I do not want tax resources to pay one dollar for this kid who has no respect for anyone else's life. The death penalty is well deserved in this case.
And here is a thought: let's take the hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions over the course of a lifetime) that would be spent keeping this criminal in jail and instead give it to the officer who's life is now forever altered; who did nothing wrong other than their job.
I am so tired of all the resources going to the criminals and nothing being done for the victims.

Ok, I’m probably the biggest death penalty advocate on this board, and I cannot support capital punishment for a non-lethal offense.

Sorry, but the punishment does not fit the crime. If no one died through deliberate malicious intent, then that doesn’t deserve taking a life as punishment.

+1

These posts are a glimpse into the dark psyche of those around us. consider these people equally as deranged as this stupid criminal. I don’t want to be around people like that in my daily life.

You’re right. I think a big hug and acknowledgment of how Raphael has been the victim of systemic oppression should do it.

J/k. He deserves to fry. He is literally a waste of space.

I’m serious that you are sick. The death penalty has never applied to a situation just because you feel like someone “is a waste of space”. That is twisted (and unconstitutional, like you give a damn lol) logic. I am stone cold serious that I fear people like you just like I would another criminal. Should I call for your arrest and punishment just because of my personal feelings or would you rather be protected by the rule of law?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is where the death penalty would come in handy.

[phone]

Would this stop other people? I hope he’s in jail forever at least.

No, I do NOT want this animal to be in jail forever. I do not want tax resources to pay one dollar for this kid who has no respect for anyone else's life. The death penalty is well deserved in this case.
And here is a thought: let's take the hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions over the course of a lifetime) that would be spent keeping this criminal in jail and instead give it to the officer who's life is now forever altered; who did nothing wrong other than their job.
I am so tired of all the resources going to the criminals and nothing being done for the victims.

Ok, I’m probably the biggest death penalty advocate on this board, and I cannot support capital punishment for a non-lethal offense.

Sorry, but the punishment does not fit the crime. If no one died through deliberate malicious intent, then that doesn’t deserve taking a life as punishment.

+1

These posts are a glimpse into the dark psyche of those around us. consider these people equally as deranged as this stupid criminal. I don’t want to be around people like that in my daily life.

You’re right. I think a big hug and acknowledgment of how Raphael has been the victim of systemic oppression should do it.

J/k. He deserves to fry. He is literally a waste of space.

I’m serious that you are sick. The death penalty has never applied to a situation just because you feel like someone “is a waste of space”. That is twisted (and unconstitutional, like you give a damn lol) logic. I am stone cold serious that I fear people like you just like I would another criminal. Should I call for your arrest and punishment just because of my personal feelings or would you rather be protected by the rule of law?

He’s a waste of space because it’s just a matter of time before he actually kills an innocent victim. But it appears you are ok with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you drive 136 mph on a busy public highway (which he was arrested for previously) it should be treated the same from a legal standpoint as indiscriminately firing a gun in public place like a shopping mall. This piece of sh*t should have been in prison a long time ago for his recklessness.

Yes, it should be, but it isn't.

Another question is why it's legal to have cars that you can drive 136 mph. Why aren't cars speed-limited to a maximum of 80 mph?

Because it’s rare that anyone actually drives like this.

First of all, it's not at all rare for people to drive at dangerous speeds on 270. There have been several times in just the past week where I was driving on 270 and someone zoomed past me and all the other cars on the road.

Second of all, so what? What would we lose, if cars were speed-limited to a maximum of 80 mph? Compare to the police officer, who lost his legs.

This idiot is orders of magnitude worse than any of the people driving faster than you would like on 270. Even the most lead footed beltway slalom driver is not well known by police because they try to instigate a pursuit.

Beltway slalom drivers are not well known to police because they avoid police. That doesn't help the rest of us stay safe.

Thanks for acknowledging the clear difference between this lunatic and an average Virginia tesla driver. We are definitely more at risk from a crazy 19yo with no license who tries to run over LEO. Case in point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to say it, but this sounds like a road design issue.

Care to explain your logic?

It's bad protocol at least.

The police officer was there trying to physically stop the speeding car of a known extremely reckless driver. Protocol should be such that the police officers's bodies are not exposed to the threat they are trying to stop.

This guy should have been arrested years ago, and whenever he was detected on the roads, followed by a helicopter not a police car, and have his car impounded each time. Then jailed for refusal to pay fines.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This area deserves everything it gets based on the elected officials who are soft on crime and want to reduce any police involvement further. This criminal should have already been in jail based on the number of citations alone.

Since when have people been jailed for traffic citations? They're not jailable offenses.

DP. He's got a couple citations that are. Knowingly driving without insurance and fleeing and eluding can both carry jail time. Why he wasn't arrested on those is a question for the police who issued the citations, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is where the death penalty would come in handy.

[phone]

Would this stop other people? I hope he’s in jail forever at least.

No, I do NOT want this animal to be in jail forever. I do not want tax resources to pay one dollar for this kid who has no respect for anyone else's life. The death penalty is well deserved in this case.
And here is a thought: let's take the hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions over the course of a lifetime) that would be spent keeping this criminal in jail and instead give it to the officer who's life is now forever altered; who did nothing wrong other than their job.
I am so tired of all the resources going to the criminals and nothing being done for the victims.

Ok, I’m probably the biggest death penalty advocate on this board, and I cannot support capital punishment for a non-lethal offense.

Sorry, but the punishment does not fit the crime. If no one died through deliberate malicious intent, then that doesn’t deserve taking a life as punishment.

+1

These posts are a glimpse into the dark psyche of those around us. consider these people equally as deranged as this stupid criminal. I don’t want to be around people like that in my daily life.

You’re right. I think a big hug and acknowledgment of how Raphael has been the victim of systemic oppression should do it.

J/k. He deserves to fry. He is literally a waste of space.

I’m serious that you are sick. The death penalty has never applied to a situation just because you feel like someone “is a waste of space”. That is twisted (and unconstitutional, like you give a damn lol) logic. I am stone cold serious that I fear people like you just like I would another criminal. Should I call for your arrest and punishment just because of my personal feelings or would you rather be protected by the rule of law?

He’s a waste of space because it’s just a matter of time before he actually kills an innocent victim. But it appears you are ok with that.

He will do hard time for sure. What makes you think in such a binary that only death or allowing more reckless behavior are the only options? Binary thinking is an indicator of mental illness.

Wow you’re good! I actually do have mental illness. Well managed by meds.
Thanks for your concern!

Looking at this case individually, I am in favor of the death penalty (fully knowing that will never happen). But I guess that means binary thinking rules every area of my life. Since you’re posting on DCUM you must be right!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is where the death penalty would come in handy.

Truly awful new! I wonder what the CE has in mind.


At a joint news conference with police on Wednesday afternoon, County Executive Marc Elrich called for action to stop repeat reckless drivers and pursue “criminalizing this in a different way.”

ie jail time?

This guy had already committed several crimes over several years. Criminalization wasn't the gap. Enforcement was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is where the death penalty would come in handy.

[phone]

Would this stop other people? I hope he’s in jail forever at least.

No, I do NOT want this animal to be in jail forever. I do not want tax resources to pay one dollar for this kid who has no respect for anyone else's life. The death penalty is well deserved in this case.
And here is a thought: let's take the hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions over the course of a lifetime) that would be spent keeping this criminal in jail and instead give it to the officer who's life is now forever altered; who did nothing wrong other than their job.
I am so tired of all the resources going to the criminals and nothing being done for the victims.

Ok, I’m probably the biggest death penalty advocate on this board, and I cannot support capital punishment for a non-lethal offense.

Sorry, but the punishment does not fit the crime. If no one died through deliberate malicious intent, then that doesn’t deserve taking a life as punishment.

+1

These posts are a glimpse into the dark psyche of those around us. consider these people equally as deranged as this stupid criminal. I don’t want to be around people like that in my daily life.

You’re right. I think a big hug and acknowledgment of how Raphael has been the victim of systemic oppression should do it.

J/k. He deserves to fry. He is literally a waste of space.

I’m serious that you are sick. The death penalty has never applied to a situation just because you feel like someone “is a waste of space”. That is twisted (and unconstitutional, like you give a damn lol) logic. I am stone cold serious that I fear people like you just like I would another criminal. Should I call for your arrest and punishment just because of my personal feelings or would you rather be protected by the rule of law?

He’s a waste of space because it’s just a matter of time before he actually kills an innocent victim. But it appears you are ok with that.

He will do hard time for sure. What makes you think in such a binary that only death or allowing more reckless behavior are the only options? Binary thinking is an indicator of mental illness.

Wow you’re good! I actually do have mental illness. Well managed by meds.
Thanks for your concern!

Looking at this case individually, I am in favor of the death penalty (fully knowing that will never happen). But I guess that means binary thinking rules every area of my life. Since you’re posting on DCUM you must be right!

Wishing for things that you know will never happen isn't helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you drive 136 mph on a busy public highway (which he was arrested for previously) it should be treated the same from a legal standpoint as indiscriminately firing a gun in public place like a shopping mall. This piece of sh*t should have been in prison a long time ago for his recklessness.

Yes, it should be, but it isn't.

Another question is why it's legal to have cars that you can drive 136 mph. Why aren't cars speed-limited to a maximum of 80 mph?

Because it’s rare that anyone actually drives like this.

First of all, it's not at all rare for people to drive at dangerous speeds on 270. There have been several times in just the past week where I was driving on 270 and someone zoomed past me and all the other cars on the road.

Second of all, so what? What would we lose, if cars were speed-limited to a maximum of 80 mph? Compare to the police officer, who lost his legs.

This idiot is orders of magnitude worse than any of the people driving faster than you would like on 270. Even the most lead footed beltway slalom driver is not well known by police because they try to instigate a pursuit.

Beltway slalom drivers are not well known to police because they avoid police. That doesn't help the rest of us stay safe.

Thanks for acknowledging the clear difference between this lunatic and an average Virginia tesla driver. We are definitely more at risk from a crazy 19yo with no license who tries to run over LEO. Case in point.

Not really. There are not a lot of 19-year-olds in expensive muscle cars who treat interactions with the police like video games. There are a lot of dangerous Beltway slalom drivers, including ones from Virginia in Teslas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to say it, but this sounds like a road design issue.

Care to explain your logic?

It's bad protocol at least.

The police officer was there trying to physically stop the speeding car of a known extremely reckless driver. Protocol should be such that the police officers's bodies are not exposed to the threat they are trying to stop.

This guy should have been arrested years ago, and whenever he was detected on the roads, followed by a helicopter not a police car, and have his car impounded each time. Then jailed for refusal to pay fines.

He's 19. Until April of this year, he had two tickets; one for speeding (51 in a 35) and one for failing to display his license. He paid both (he paid them late so they briefly suspended his license then recalled the suspension which is done after payment is made).

The rest of his tickets are all from this year and he hasn't gone to court on any of them. He obviously should go to jail NOW (and he will) and he probably should have been arrested and held in April when he got his first round of serious tickets, but "he should have been arrested years ago" wasn't even possible. You don't get arrested for going 16 miles per hour over the speed limit.

[Anonymous]

The problem with the death penalty isn't just about if anyone ever deserves it (although there is a moral case about that.) It's also about innocent people who would also face it, as the prohibitive cost of of preventing those mistakes. At that point it ends up being less expensive to use 20-years to life imprisonment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting to me that hitting a police officer with a car is a crime but if some rando did this to me the police would collectively shrug.

Hardly. Hitting you with a car is a crime, too. If a car going 110mph intentionally hit you, it would still be news.

If intentional, why isn’t this something like attempted murder?

It is, as stated in the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is where the death penalty would come in handy.

Truly awful new! I wonder what the CE has in mind.


At a joint news conference with police on Wednesday afternoon, County Executive Marc Elrich called for action to stop repeat reckless drivers and pursue “criminalizing this in a different way.”

ie jail time?

This guy had already committed several crimes over several years. Criminalization wasn't the gap. Enforcement was.

Traffic offenses are generally not criminal offenses. He does have some criminal charges from this summer, including charges related to his dangerous driving, but I don't know if those charges would typically include jail time. I seriously doubt people are routinely receive jail time for misdemeanor theft. Maybe felony theft, but that charge is even more recent, just last month.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you drive 136 mph on a busy public highway (which he was arrested for previously) it should be treated the same from a legal standpoint as indiscriminately firing a gun in public place like a shopping mall. This piece of sh*t should have been in prison a long time ago for his recklessness.

Yes, it should be, but it isn't.

Another question is why it's legal to have cars that you can drive 136 mph. Why aren't cars speed-limited to a maximum of 80 mph?

Because it’s rare that anyone actually drives like this.

First of all, it's not at all rare for people to drive at dangerous speeds on 270. There have been several times in just the past week where I was driving on 270 and someone zoomed past me and all the other cars on the road.

Second of all, so what? What would we lose, if cars were speed-limited to a maximum of 80 mph? Compare to the police officer, who lost his legs.

This idiot is orders of magnitude worse than any of the people driving faster than you would like on 270. Even the most lead footed beltway slalom driver is not well known by police because they try to instigate a pursuit.

Beltway slalom drivers are not well known to police because they avoid police. That doesn't help the rest of us stay safe.

Thanks for acknowledging the clear difference between this lunatic and an average Virginia tesla driver. We are definitely more at risk from a crazy 19yo with no license who tries to run over LEO. Case in point.

Not really. There are not a lot of 19-year-olds in expensive muscle cars who treat interactions with the police like video games. There are a lot of dangerous Beltway slalom drivers, including ones from Virginia in Teslas.

Is that what the statistics show? I thought teen drivers (not necessarily teen drivers going 100+ mph) are by far involved in the most crashes and injuries and fatalities.