MLS Next Weekend Wrap-up 10/14, 10/15

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Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

We played a West Virginia Soccer team last season in NCSL Division 3. Are you saying they are the SAME team that went from NCSL to MLSNext?

I think so. But I guess the idea is that they'll draw from a wide area as the only local high(est) level team? I'm from around there so I've been trying to keep tabs on them via Facebook and Instagram. They've had tryouts in Leesburg, VA; Martinsburg, WV; a sports complex in southern Frederick County, MD; and Hood College in Frederick. There's another one this Sunday at Hood. That's a pretty wide net, geographically. The home games I've seen on the MLS Next schedule are in Charles Town, WV and Martinsburg, WV. I can't see how they'd make that geography work. Some folks would have to drive a really long way.

Some people from the dmv are driving that far.

NVA kids heading out their for tryouts.

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Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

We played a West Virginia Soccer team last season in NCSL Division 3. Are you saying they are the SAME team that went from NCSL to MLSNext?

I think so. But I guess the idea is that they'll draw from a wide area as the only local high(est) level team? I'm from around there so I've been trying to keep tabs on them via Facebook and Instagram. They've had tryouts in Leesburg, VA; Martinsburg, WV; a sports complex in southern Frederick County, MD; and Hood College in Frederick. There's another one this Sunday at Hood. That's a pretty wide net, geographically. The home games I've seen on the MLS Next schedule are in Charles Town, WV and Martinsburg, WV. I can't see how they'd make that geography work. Some folks would have to drive a really long way.

Some people from the dmv are driving that far.

NVA kids heading out their for tryouts.

Makes since. Syc is the only mls club in nva (not counting dcu).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

We played a West Virginia Soccer team last season in NCSL Division 3. Are you saying they are the SAME team that went from NCSL to MLSNext?

I think so. But I guess the idea is that they'll draw from a wide area as the only local high(est) level team? I'm from around there so I've been trying to keep tabs on them via Facebook and Instagram. They've had tryouts in Leesburg, VA; Martinsburg, WV; a sports complex in southern Frederick County, MD; and Hood College in Frederick. There's another one this Sunday at Hood. That's a pretty wide net, geographically. The home games I've seen on the MLS Next schedule are in Charles Town, WV and Martinsburg, WV. I can't see how they'd make that geography work. Some folks would have to drive a really long way.

Some people from the dmv are driving that far.

NVA kids heading out their for tryouts.

Makes since. Syc is the only mls club in nva (not counting dcu).

Plus alexandria but only 2 teams for a large population.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

We played a West Virginia Soccer team last season in NCSL Division 3. Are you saying they are the SAME team that went from NCSL to MLSNext?

I think so. But I guess the idea is that they'll draw from a wide area as the only local high(est) level team? I'm from around there so I've been trying to keep tabs on them via Facebook and Instagram. They've had tryouts in Leesburg, VA; Martinsburg, WV; a sports complex in southern Frederick County, MD; and Hood College in Frederick. There's another one this Sunday at Hood. That's a pretty wide net, geographically. The home games I've seen on the MLS Next schedule are in Charles Town, WV and Martinsburg, WV. I can't see how they'd make that geography work. Some folks would have to drive a really long way.

Some people from the dmv are driving that far.

NVA kids heading out their for tryouts.

Makes since. Syc is the only mls club in nva (not counting dcu).

What about Alexandria?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

We played a West Virginia Soccer team last season in NCSL Division 3. Are you saying they are the SAME team that went from NCSL to MLSNext?

I think so. But I guess the idea is that they'll draw from a wide area as the only local high(est) level team? I'm from around there so I've been trying to keep tabs on them via Facebook and Instagram. They've had tryouts in Leesburg, VA; Martinsburg, WV; a sports complex in southern Frederick County, MD; and Hood College in Frederick. There's another one this Sunday at Hood. That's a pretty wide net, geographically. The home games I've seen on the MLS Next schedule are in Charles Town, WV and Martinsburg, WV. I can't see how they'd make that geography work. Some folks would have to drive a really long way.

Some people from the dmv are driving that far.

NVA kids heading out their for tryouts.

Makes since. Syc is the only mls club in nva (not counting dcu).

I think PP meant Loudoun (NVA)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the first half of this. Probably 4-1??
SYC is such a frustrating team to watch. I've seen them several times over the past three years. They have excellent individual players. I'm sure some of that is due to coaching and some is definitely due to recruiting. They are a physically imposing team. In this case, they are bigger and faster than Achilles at almost every position. But they don't play well together. Their goals aren't created by coordinated play. They rely heavily on consistently strong man marking, deep goal kicks, winning second balls, corners and crosses. How many times in that video did I hear "put it in the box" or "second ball." They shoot everything near the box and if they have it wide in the midfield either fire a deep diagonal pass or carry it down the line for a cross. This is all fine, and effective, if you're physically superior. But only if you're physically superior.

Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.
Technical + IQ Superiority beats just Physical.
Technical + Game Intelligence beats just Physical.
(See: Philly Union for example or old Barcelona)

If the Just Physical beats and dominates you, then you're not doing what you should with and without the ball, especially as a team.

'Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.'
This first line makes sense but does it also apply at u14? I'm not confident in that. The second and third line are hard to have at that age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

They'll be fine. They will need a few years to get up to speed but will have a pretty exclusive draw for talent that does not have an alternative, and will become more competitive over time. Don't assume that kids cannot develop outside of metro bubbles simply because of misconceptions you may have about particular areas and their interest in soccer. Salt Lake, anybody?

How is it "fine" to enter the highest competitive youth league in the country if you are obviously way way below the level of your competition?
Seems you have an Appalachia sized chip on your shoulder. Who insinuated only large metropolitan areas can produce soccer players?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the first half of this. Probably 4-1??
SYC is such a frustrating team to watch. I've seen them several times over the past three years. They have excellent individual players. I'm sure some of that is due to coaching and some is definitely due to recruiting. They are a physically imposing team. In this case, they are bigger and faster than Achilles at almost every position. But they don't play well together. Their goals aren't created by coordinated play. They rely heavily on consistently strong man marking, deep goal kicks, winning second balls, corners and crosses. How many times in that video did I hear "put it in the box" or "second ball." They shoot everything near the box and if they have it wide in the midfield either fire a deep diagonal pass or carry it down the line for a cross. This is all fine, and effective, if you're physically superior. But only if you're physically superior.

Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.
Technical + IQ Superiority beats just Physical.
Technical + Game Intelligence beats just Physical.
(See: Philly Union for example or old Barcelona)

If the Just Physical beats and dominates you, then you're not doing what you should with and without the ball, especially as a team.

'Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.'
This first line makes sense but does it also apply at u14? I'm not confident in that. The second and third line are hard to have at that age.

Why wouldn't it apply at U14 or U13 or U12?
Kids that are technically proficient with proper touch and control along with coaching/training that emphasizes decision making in game-like scenarios have a distinct advantage over large size dependent opponents.

IQ and game awareness intelligence isn't either None or Kevin De Bruyne. There are levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

They'll be fine. They will need a few years to get up to speed but will have a pretty exclusive draw for talent that does not have an alternative, and will become more competitive over time. Don't assume that kids cannot develop outside of metro bubbles simply because of misconceptions you may have about particular areas and their interest in soccer. Salt Lake, anybody?

Real Salt Lake Academy's U15 roster is posted on their website. Here are the hometowns of the players: Las Vegas, NV; Phoenix, AZ; Lindsay, CA; Portland, OR; Salerno, Italy; Salt Lake City, UT; Ann Arbor, MI; Troy, MI; Scottsdale, AZ; San Diego, CA; Laguna Niguel, CA; West Jordan, UT; Kaneohe, HI; Huntington Beach, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Orlando, FL; Ogden, UT; and Sandy, UT.

Probably not the best comparison. Plus DC United and Loudoun, in Leesburg, are more convenient for high level players. I can't imagine a truly high level player travelling past those two to get to WV soccer. And a very good player has lots of options in NVA. That leaves Frederick (just as close to Bethesda), Shepherdstown, Martinsburg, Hagerstown, Winchester, and Charles Town as the major sources for players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

They'll be fine. They will need a few years to get up to speed but will have a pretty exclusive draw for talent that does not have an alternative, and will become more competitive over time. Don't assume that kids cannot develop outside of metro bubbles simply because of misconceptions you may have about particular areas and their interest in soccer. Salt Lake, anybody?

Real Salt Lake Academy's U15 roster is posted on their website. Here are the hometowns of the players: Las Vegas, NV; Phoenix, AZ; Lindsay, CA; Portland, OR; Salerno, Italy; Salt Lake City, UT; Ann Arbor, MI; Troy, MI; Scottsdale, AZ; San Diego, CA; Laguna Niguel, CA; West Jordan, UT; Kaneohe, HI; Huntington Beach, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Orlando, FL; Ogden, UT; and Sandy, UT.

Probably not the best comparison. Plus DC United and Loudoun, in Leesburg, are more convenient for high level players. I can't imagine a truly high level player travelling past those two to get to WV soccer. And a very good player has lots of options in NVA. That leaves Frederick (just as close to Bethesda), Shepherdstown, Martinsburg, Hagerstown, Winchester, and Charles Town as the major sources for players.

RSL operates more like a European Academy than most.

++Indoor and outdoor training facilities are complemented by the onsite RSL Academy High School and a live-in Academy dormitory, thus completing the most ambitious soccer-specific developmental facility in the country++

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched the first half of this. Probably 4-1??
SYC is such a frustrating team to watch. I've seen them several times over the past three years. They have excellent individual players. I'm sure some of that is due to coaching and some is definitely due to recruiting. They are a physically imposing team. In this case, they are bigger and faster than Achilles at almost every position. But they don't play well together. Their goals aren't created by coordinated play. They rely heavily on consistently strong man marking, deep goal kicks, winning second balls, corners and crosses. How many times in that video did I hear "put it in the box" or "second ball." They shoot everything near the box and if they have it wide in the midfield either fire a deep diagonal pass or carry it down the line for a cross. This is all fine, and effective, if you're physically superior. But only if you're physically superior.

Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.
Technical + IQ Superiority beats just Physical.
Technical + Game Intelligence beats just Physical.
(See: Philly Union for example or old Barcelona)

If the Just Physical beats and dominates you, then you're not doing what you should with and without the ball, especially as a team.

'Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.'
This first line makes sense but does it also apply at u14? I'm not confident in that. The second and third line are hard to have at that age.

Why wouldn't it apply at U14 or U13 or U12?
Kids that are technically proficient with proper touch and control along with coaching/training that emphasizes decision making in game-like scenarios have a distinct advantage over large size dependent opponents.

IQ and game awareness intelligence isn't either None or Kevin De Bruyne. There are levels.

I agree. I said it was hard have at that age, because there are levels. One reason why the score was 9-2 with kids twice their size.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

They'll be fine. They will need a few years to get up to speed but will have a pretty exclusive draw for talent that does not have an alternative, and will become more competitive over time. Don't assume that kids cannot develop outside of metro bubbles simply because of misconceptions you may have about particular areas and their interest in soccer. Salt Lake, anybody?

Real Salt Lake Academy's U15 roster is posted on their website. Here are the hometowns of the players: Las Vegas, NV; Phoenix, AZ; Lindsay, CA; Portland, OR; Salerno, Italy; Salt Lake City, UT; Ann Arbor, MI; Troy, MI; Scottsdale, AZ; San Diego, CA; Laguna Niguel, CA; West Jordan, UT; Kaneohe, HI; Huntington Beach, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Orlando, FL; Ogden, UT; and Sandy, UT.

Probably not the best comparison. Plus DC United and Loudoun, in Leesburg, are more convenient for high level players. I can't imagine a truly high level player travelling past those two to get to WV soccer. And a very good player has lots of options in NVA. That leaves Frederick (just as close to Bethesda), Shepherdstown, Martinsburg, Hagerstown, Winchester, and Charles Town as the major sources for players.

I wonder if salt lake has a boarding option like red bulls used to have. Or a program set up that helps find families for the boys to live with. Some mls next clubs have that and that could be why the hometowns are so far.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Virginia u14s seems to have the most trouble
9-0 loss to Red Bull
7-0 loss to Bethesda
5-0 loss to cedar stars
4-1 loss to Baltimore armour
They lost to Achilles too but I forgot score

Sounds like WV jumped (or were pushed) into the deep end with a sink or swim approach.
I'm almost sure they were in NCSL last season.

They'll be fine. They will need a few years to get up to speed but will have a pretty exclusive draw for talent that does not have an alternative, and will become more competitive over time. Don't assume that kids cannot develop outside of metro bubbles simply because of misconceptions you may have about particular areas and their interest in soccer. Salt Lake, anybody?

Real Salt Lake Academy's U15 roster is posted on their website. Here are the hometowns of the players: Las Vegas, NV; Phoenix, AZ; Lindsay, CA; Portland, OR; Salerno, Italy; Salt Lake City, UT; Ann Arbor, MI; Troy, MI; Scottsdale, AZ; San Diego, CA; Laguna Niguel, CA; West Jordan, UT; Kaneohe, HI; Huntington Beach, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Orlando, FL; Ogden, UT; and Sandy, UT.

Probably not the best comparison. Plus DC United and Loudoun, in Leesburg, are more convenient for high level players. I can't imagine a truly high level player travelling past those two to get to WV soccer. And a very good player has lots of options in NVA. That leaves Frederick (just as close to Bethesda), Shepherdstown, Martinsburg, Hagerstown, Winchester, and Charles Town as the major sources for players.

RSL operates more like a European Academy than most.

++Indoor and outdoor training facilities are complemented by the onsite RSL Academy High School and a live-in Academy dormitory, thus completing the most ambitious soccer-specific developmental facility in the country++

Commented above before I read this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched the first half of this. Probably 4-1??
SYC is such a frustrating team to watch. I've seen them several times over the past three years. They have excellent individual players. I'm sure some of that is due to coaching and some is definitely due to recruiting. They are a physically imposing team. In this case, they are bigger and faster than Achilles at almost every position. But they don't play well together. Their goals aren't created by coordinated play. They rely heavily on consistently strong man marking, deep goal kicks, winning second balls, corners and crosses. How many times in that video did I hear "put it in the box" or "second ball." They shoot everything near the box and if they have it wide in the midfield either fire a deep diagonal pass or carry it down the line for a cross. This is all fine, and effective, if you're physically superior. But only if you're physically superior.

Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.
Technical + IQ Superiority beats just Physical.
Technical + Game Intelligence beats just Physical.
(See: Philly Union for example or old Barcelona)

If the Just Physical beats and dominates you, then you're not doing what you should with and without the ball, especially as a team.

'Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.'
This first line makes sense but does it also apply at u14? I'm not confident in that. The second and third line are hard to have at that age.

Why wouldn't it apply at U14 or U13 or U12?
Kids that are technically proficient with proper touch and control along with coaching/training that emphasizes decision making in game-like scenarios have a distinct advantage over large size dependent opponents.

IQ and game awareness intelligence isn't either None or Kevin De Bruyne. There are levels.

I agree. I said it was hard have at that age, because there are levels. One reason why the score was 9-2 with kids twice their size.

1 SYC didn't show up with a U17 sized squad. They have a couple above average size biological early bloomers, like Bethesda and everyone else.
2 Achilles based on their results in all age groups against all opponents over the past few years are clearly lacking more than size disadvantage. Saying ALL the other teams are winning with giants has run it's propaganda course.
(btw, if Size won soccer, Spain, Italy, Brazil, Argentina wouldn't have International trophies)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched the first half of this. Probably 4-1??
SYC is such a frustrating team to watch. I've seen them several times over the past three years. They have excellent individual players. I'm sure some of that is due to coaching and some is definitely due to recruiting. They are a physically imposing team. In this case, they are bigger and faster than Achilles at almost every position. But they don't play well together. Their goals aren't created by coordinated play. They rely heavily on consistently strong man marking, deep goal kicks, winning second balls, corners and crosses. How many times in that video did I hear "put it in the box" or "second ball." They shoot everything near the box and if they have it wide in the midfield either fire a deep diagonal pass or carry it down the line for a cross. This is all fine, and effective, if you're physically superior. But only if you're physically superior.

Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.
Technical + IQ Superiority beats just Physical.
Technical + Game Intelligence beats just Physical.
(See: Philly Union for example or old Barcelona)

If the Just Physical beats and dominates you, then you're not doing what you should with and without the ball, especially as a team.

'Technically Superior beats Physically Superior.'
This first line makes sense but does it also apply at u14? I'm not confident in that. The second and third line are hard to have at that age.

Why wouldn't it apply at U14 or U13 or U12?
Kids that are technically proficient with proper touch and control along with coaching/training that emphasizes decision making in game-like scenarios have a distinct advantage over large size dependent opponents.

IQ and game awareness intelligence isn't either None or Kevin De Bruyne. There are levels.

I agree. I said it was hard have at that age, because there are levels. One reason why the score was 9-2 with kids twice their size.

1 SYC didn't show up with a U17 sized squad. They have a couple above average size biological early bloomers, like Bethesda and everyone else.
2 Achilles based on their results in all age groups against all opponents over the past few years are clearly lacking more than size disadvantage. Saying ALL the other teams are winning with giants has run it's propaganda course.
(btw, if Size won soccer, Spain, Italy, Brazil, Argentina wouldn't have International trophies)

Your generalizing. No one said all. Everyone except you is referring to one game and video posted. Good day.