Why the conspiracies about 15 minute cities?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Man, memories are short here.

I can remember during the throes of the pandemic, how many people were opining about living in an area that isn't so populated with people living on top of each other. I am lucky enough to live in an area like that. Yes, we have to drive a bit to get places, but I wouldn't trade my life of space and greenery and nature with a "15 minute city" ever.

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I see zero appeal in living near or even close to a city. No thanks.

The people in rural areas are economically much less productive.

Many of them grow your food, silly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man, memories are short here.

I can remember during the throes of the pandemic, how many people were opining about living in an area that isn't so populated with people living on top of each other. I am lucky enough to live in an area like that. Yes, we have to drive a bit to get places, but I wouldn't trade my life of space and greenery and nature with a "15 minute city" ever.

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I see zero appeal in living near or even close to a city. No thanks.

The people in rural areas are economically much less productive.

Many of them grow your food, silly.

Most of the food comes from agri-business, not small family farms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm confused why people are so upset. This is about moving people from dense urban hells into smaller towns. A 15 minute city is called a town. And living in a town vs a city really improves your life, your community bonds, your time management, etc.

Because some activists are taking that concept and pushing to eliminate cars and parking. Like with many things nowadays the broad based non-poliyical non-controversial idea gets latched onto by the loud politicized morons in the back and used as a figleaf for their radical and stupid hobbyhorses. These morons then provide the ammunition for others to make it a political issue.

To paraphrase Yeats, the best lack conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity.

No one is taking away your cars, and it isn't up to government to identify public space to store your car. The bottom line is that for most people under 30, the cost to own, insure and operate a car are prohibitive, and renting or buying a place that adds additional cost for parking is also prohibitive. That is why so many younger people are flocking to cities where the can bike, bus, subway, uber to places as opposed to driving. They are saving close to $10,000 a year in costs.

Cities are responding to that and to the climate crisis.

The bottom line is that we did it the way of an auto-centric country from the 1920's to the 2020's and all it got us was sprawl, more carbon in the air we breathe and a built environment that is generally hostile to humans. There is a reason people love going to old cities in Europe and the middle east, and to the older neighborhoods in the US. They were designed before cars, they stand the test of time, they are walkable and interesting, unlike most of what has been built since 1945.

Defend the morons however you want but banning cars and parking is electoral suicide.

No one is banning cars. As it relates to parking, it isn't the government's job to facilitate free storage in front if your house.

[Anonymous]

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Ah, the quiet joy of living above a busy storefront. /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused why people are so upset. This is about moving people from dense urban hells into smaller towns. A 15 minute city is called a town. And living in a town vs a city really improves your life, your community bonds, your time management, etc.

Because some activists are taking that concept and pushing to eliminate cars and parking. Like with many things nowadays the broad based non-poliyical non-controversial idea gets latched onto by the loud politicized morons in the back and used as a figleaf for their radical and stupid hobbyhorses. These morons then provide the ammunition for others to make it a political issue.

To paraphrase Yeats, the best lack conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity.

No one is taking away your cars, and it isn't up to government to identify public space to store your car. The bottom line is that for most people under 30, the cost to own, insure and operate a car are prohibitive, and renting or buying a place that adds additional cost for parking is also prohibitive. That is why so many younger people are flocking to cities where the can bike, bus, subway, uber to places as opposed to driving. They are saving close to $10,000 a year in costs.

Cities are responding to that and to the climate crisis.

The bottom line is that we did it the way of an auto-centric country from the 1920's to the 2020's and all it got us was sprawl, more carbon in the air we breathe and a built environment that is generally hostile to humans. There is a reason people love going to old cities in Europe and the middle east, and to the older neighborhoods in the US. They were designed before cars, they stand the test of time, they are walkable and interesting, unlike most of what has been built since 1945.

Defend the morons however you want but banning cars and parking is electoral suicide.

No one is banning cars. As it relates to parking, it isn't the government's job to facilitate free storage in front if your house.

Defend the morons however you want but know that banning cars and parking is electoral suicide (and in the case of this election that would be the end of democracy)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused why people are so upset. This is about moving people from dense urban hells into smaller towns. A 15 minute city is called a town. And living in a town vs a city really improves your life, your community bonds, your time management, etc.

Because some activists are taking that concept and pushing to eliminate cars and parking. Like with many things nowadays the broad based non-poliyical non-controversial idea gets latched onto by the loud politicized morons in the back and used as a figleaf for their radical and stupid hobbyhorses. These morons then provide the ammunition for others to make it a political issue.

To paraphrase Yeats, the best lack conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity.

No one is taking away your cars, and it isn't up to government to identify public space to store your car. The bottom line is that for most people under 30, the cost to own, insure and operate a car are prohibitive, and renting or buying a place that adds additional cost for parking is also prohibitive. That is why so many younger people are flocking to cities where the can bike, bus, subway, uber to places as opposed to driving. They are saving close to $10,000 a year in costs.

Cities are responding to that and to the climate crisis.

The bottom line is that we did it the way of an auto-centric country from the 1920's to the 2020's and all it got us was sprawl, more carbon in the air we breathe and a built environment that is generally hostile to humans. There is a reason people love going to old cities in Europe and the middle east, and to the older neighborhoods in the US. They were designed before cars, they stand the test of time, they are walkable and interesting, unlike most of what has been built since 1945.

Defend the morons however you want but banning cars and parking is electoral suicide.

No one is banning cars. As it relates to parking, it isn't the government's job to facilitate free storage in front if your house.

Defend the morons however you want but know that banning cars and parking is electoral suicide (and in the case of this election that would be the end of democracy)

No one is banning cars. No one is banning parking.

Stop with the nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man, memories are short here.

I can remember during the throes of the pandemic, how many people were opining about living in an area that isn't so populated with people living on top of each other. I am lucky enough to live in an area like that. Yes, we have to drive a bit to get places, but I wouldn't trade my life of space and greenery and nature with a "15 minute city" ever.

+1
I see zero appeal in living near or even close to a city. No thanks.

The people in rural areas are economically much less productive.

Many of them grow your food, silly.

Most of the food comes from agri-business, not small family farms.

Check your comprehension.
No one said anything about small family farms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ah, the quiet joy of living above a busy storefront. /s

It actually can be quite nice — and extremely convenient. It varies, of course, with the particular street and type of business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ah, the quiet joy of living above a busy storefront. /s

For crying out loud, compare the square km land area of the US and population density in the US vs most European countries. Then tell me how you’ll make these kinds of areas economically viable across the entire country with out density.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ah, the quiet joy of living above a busy storefront. /s

It actually can be quite nice — and extremely convenient. It varies, of course, with the particular street and type of business.

Which American 15 minute city have you lived in? I understand they’re popping up all across America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently they're a plot by liberals or the WEF to take away our cars, to lock people in their neighborhoods, to restrict freedom of movement, to take away our rights and impose totalitarianism etc.

What do you think 15 minute cities are all about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused why people are so upset. This is about moving people from dense urban hells into smaller towns. A 15 minute city is called a town. And living in a town vs a city really improves your life, your community bonds, your time management, etc.

Because some activists are taking that concept and pushing to eliminate cars and parking. Like with many things nowadays the broad based non-poliyical non-controversial idea gets latched onto by the loud politicized morons in the back and used as a figleaf for their radical and stupid hobbyhorses. These morons then provide the ammunition for others to make it a political issue.

To paraphrase Yeats, the best lack conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity.

No one is taking away your cars, and it isn't up to government to identify public space to store your car. The bottom line is that for most people under 30, the cost to own, insure and operate a car are prohibitive, and renting or buying a place that adds additional cost for parking is also prohibitive. That is why so many younger people are flocking to cities where the can bike, bus, subway, uber to places as opposed to driving. They are saving close to $10,000 a year in costs.

Cities are responding to that and to the climate crisis.

The bottom line is that we did it the way of an auto-centric country from the 1920's to the 2020's and all it got us was sprawl, more carbon in the air we breathe and a built environment that is generally hostile to humans. There is a reason people love going to old cities in Europe and the middle east, and to the older neighborhoods in the US. They were designed before cars, they stand the test of time, they are walkable and interesting, unlike most of what has been built since 1945.

Defend the morons however you want but banning cars and parking is electoral suicide.

No one is banning cars. As it relates to parking, it isn't the government's job to facilitate free storage in front if your house.

Defend the morons however you want but know that banning cars and parking is electoral suicide (and in the case of this election that would be the end of democracy)

No one is banning cars. No one is banning parking.

Stop with the nonsense.

Exactly. Doing so would be preposterously stupid. That's why it's incumbant on the rest of us to call out the morons that advocate for such a preposterously stupid idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget take away our gas stoves.

No one is "taking away" gas stoves. However, in the future, not being dependent on fossil fuels is beneficial to the air we breathe. As such, there will be strong incentives to buy induction stoves and ovens.

remember when they took away our whale oil lamps?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently they're a plot by liberals or the WEF to take away our cars, to lock people in their neighborhoods, to restrict freedom of movement, to take away our rights and impose totalitarianism etc.

What do you think 15 minute cities are all about?

Anyone?

[Anonymous]

If you build it, he will come. Problem is it's just one guy.