Tesla now only $23k

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

Actually we’re on our third Tesla (we’re original owners and keep trading them in). We have had to pay zero bc everything has been under warranty and we’ve really had very few things to fix anyways. The engine also is a lot simpler so I disagree with your husband. For most repairs they come to where the car is parked and do them there.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s great. I just read there are hardly any cars for sale under $25k. The average price for a new car is $50k. It’s a good move by Tesla but I am concerned about the ecological effects of the batteries.

Really? Not even a lowly Corolla?

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Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

No, it's not! The cheapest list price is $38,030 (without adding in taxes and other BS charges Tesla adds). tax credits are $7,500 which takes it down to about $32,500 (plus taxes and Tesla BS fees).

States and localities give tax breaks. The $23k number is in CA, but in MD you can get $4000 more. That takes it down to around $30k or below. The point being is Tesla is killing it now making it much more affordable. Tesla is so far ahead of everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

No, it's not! The cheapest list price is $38,030 (without adding in taxes and other BS charges Tesla adds). tax credits are $7,500 which takes it down to about $32,500 (plus taxes and Tesla BS fees).

States and localities give tax breaks. The $23k number is in CA, but in MD you can get $4000 more. That takes it down to around $30k or below. The point being is Tesla is killing it now making it much more affordable. Tesla is so far ahead of everyone else.

Hahahaha!!! So funny if you actually believe this!!

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Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

No, it's not! The cheapest list price is $38,030 (without adding in taxes and other BS charges Tesla adds). tax credits are $7,500 which takes it down to about $32,500 (plus taxes and Tesla BS fees).

States and localities give tax breaks. The $23k number is in CA, but in MD you can get $4000 more. That takes it down to around $30k or below. The point being is Tesla is killing it now making it much more affordable. Tesla is so far ahead of everyone else.

Got it! No additional breaks in VA though . I'm hearing a lot of quality issues with Teslas but not sure if that's haters or folks just nitpicking.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

Almost always means AGI.

I never knew Biden and the Dems were so conservative, withholding tax incentives from 2-income families. Get back in the kitchen, spouses!

Or maybe they are liberal, and they want us to cohabitate instead of marry?

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The vast majority of Americans make less than $300K HHI. If your HHI is $300K, you are in the to 5% and can afford a $30K car.

Our HHI is about $300K. We bought a car a few years ago for $30K cash.

hmm but we were looking into purchasing a Pacifica and I/m not going to lie.. it ticked me off that my retired and very wealthy family members paid 7000 less for it two months ago bc their AGI is less than ours and I expanded my list to include non evs.. especially b/c teh batteries are terrible and I dont actually drive a lot, less than ten miles per week. was getting the car fro road trips. no-one likes feeling like they are getting ripped off- anyone who is getting w-2 income should be eligible for the tax break.

We have a Pacifica. It makes no sense to get it for road trips as the battery only goes 30 miles. It’s perfect for driving kids to soccer and school and grocery store runs. That’s what it’s destined for. We have one and only add gas once a year when we take it on a road trip.

When a PHEV is on a road trip, it is like a regular hybrid (think, prius) when the battery miles are used. So you are still getting good mileage, better than the ice Pacifica. I just finished a road trip in my Chevy Volt (my battery is about 50 miles) and I was getting 42 mpg on gas, as a hybrid.

I will say, I did see lots of Tesla superchargers on my trip (FL to NE and back) and my hotel last night even had free charging for Tesla only (no J1772). But I'm another one who hesitates to buy a Tesla because I think Elon Musk is crazy and could do something to the cars' software if he wants to.

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

DH claims the technology will be outdated v soon.

pp here.. yea, DH says the same, that the technology is going to change rapidly in a few years because of the push now for EVs. He thinks we are not quite there yet for EVs to be worth it.

Personally, I don't like the idea of relying on all electric or all gas. I like the idea of a hybrid phev but they have both evs and regular cars issues since they use both types of tech.

What to do? Need a car next year. Our old car is not going to last much longer.

Just stick to an IC car. Tried and tested. Battery/Alternative tech will be much more evolved in about 10 years for your next car.

There are tried and tested PHEV's out there. I have one. Best of both current worlds.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s with the $7500 federal rebate and the $7500 CA rebate.

Isn’t it a tax credit and not a rebate?

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Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

Almost always means AGI.

I never knew Biden and the Dems were so conservative, withholding tax incentives from 2-income families. Get back in the kitchen, spouses!

Or maybe they are liberal, and they want us to cohabitate instead of marry?

?

The vast majority of Americans make less than $300K HHI. If your HHI is $300K, you are in the to 5% and can afford a $30K car.

Our HHI is about $300K. We bought a car a few years ago for $30K cash.

hmm but we were looking into purchasing a Pacifica and I/m not going to lie.. it ticked me off that my retired and very wealthy family members paid 7000 less for it two months ago bc their AGI is less than ours and I expanded my list to include non evs.. especially b/c teh batteries are terrible and I dont actually drive a lot, less than ten miles per week. was getting the car fro road trips. no-one likes feeling like they are getting ripped off- anyone who is getting w-2 income should be eligible for the tax break.

We have a Pacifica. It makes no sense to get it for road trips as the battery only goes 30 miles. It’s perfect for driving kids to soccer and school and grocery store runs. That’s what it’s destined for. We have one and only add gas once a year when we take it on a road trip.

When a PHEV is on a road trip, it is like a regular hybrid (think, prius) when the battery miles are used. So you are still getting good mileage, better than the ice Pacifica. I just finished a road trip in my Chevy Volt (my battery is about 50 miles) and I was getting 42 mpg on gas, as a hybrid.

I will say, I did see lots of Tesla superchargers on my trip (FL to NE and back) and my hotel last night even had free charging for Tesla only (no J1772). But I'm another one who hesitates to buy a Tesla because I think Elon Musk is crazy and could do something to the cars' software if he wants to.

I’d love to have more options like the Volt. Right now we are getting about 60 miles of EV range on our 2017. We very rarely use gas.
We also have a Bolt.

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

Actually we’re on our third Tesla (we’re original owners and keep trading them in). We have had to pay zero bc everything has been under warranty and we’ve really had very few things to fix anyways. The engine also is a lot simpler so I disagree with your husband. For most repairs they come to where the car is parked and do them there.

Teslas are more expensive to ensure. What would you have done without the warranty? Nice for you that you can replace your car every couple of years. Not all of us have the means to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

Actually we’re on our third Tesla (we’re original owners and keep trading them in). We have had to pay zero bc everything has been under warranty and we’ve really had very few things to fix anyways. The engine also is a lot simpler so I disagree with your husband. For most repairs they come to where the car is parked and do them there.

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Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

No, it's not! The cheapest list price is $38,030 (without adding in taxes and other BS charges Tesla adds). tax credits are $7,500 which takes it down to about $32,500 (plus taxes and Tesla BS fees).

+1
The title of this thread isn’t even close to reality for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

Almost always means AGI.

I never knew Biden and the Dems were so conservative, withholding tax incentives from 2-income families. Get back in the kitchen, spouses!

Or maybe they are liberal, and they want us to cohabitate instead of marry?

?

The vast majority of Americans make less than $300K HHI. If your HHI is $300K, you are in the to 5% and can afford a $30K car.

Our HHI is about $300K. We bought a car a few years ago for $30K cash.

hmm but we were looking into purchasing a Pacifica and I/m not going to lie.. it ticked me off that my retired and very wealthy family members paid 7000 less for it two months ago bc their AGI is less than ours and I expanded my list to include non evs.. especially b/c teh batteries are terrible and I dont actually drive a lot, less than ten miles per week. was getting the car fro road trips. no-one likes feeling like they are getting ripped off- anyone who is getting w-2 income should be eligible for the tax break.

We have a Pacifica. It makes no sense to get it for road trips as the battery only goes 30 miles. It’s perfect for driving kids to soccer and school and grocery store runs. That’s what it’s destined for. We have one and only add gas once a year when we take it on a road trip.

When a PHEV is on a road trip, it is like a regular hybrid (think, prius) when the battery miles are used. So you are still getting good mileage, better than the ice Pacifica. I just finished a road trip in my Chevy Volt (my battery is about 50 miles) and I was getting 42 mpg on gas, as a hybrid.

I will say, I did see lots of Tesla superchargers on my trip (FL to NE and back) and my hotel last night even had free charging for Tesla only (no J1772). But I'm another one who hesitates to buy a Tesla because I think Elon Musk is crazy and could do something to the cars' software if he wants to.

Tesla owners will have to share the chargers with other cars now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/tesla-ford-gm-ev-charging-partnerships.html

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

Actually we’re on our third Tesla (we’re original owners and keep trading them in). We have had to pay zero bc everything has been under warranty and we’ve really had very few things to fix anyways. The engine also is a lot simpler so I disagree with your husband. For most repairs they come to where the car is parked and do them there.

Teslas are more expensive to ensure. What would you have done without the warranty? Nice for you that you can replace your car every couple of years. Not all of us have the means to do that.

*insure, not ensure.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

Almost always means AGI.

I never knew Biden and the Dems were so conservative, withholding tax incentives from 2-income families. Get back in the kitchen, spouses!

Or maybe they are liberal, and they want us to cohabitate instead of marry?

?

The vast majority of Americans make less than $300K HHI. If your HHI is $300K, you are in the to 5% and can afford a $30K car.

Our HHI is about $300K. We bought a car a few years ago for $30K cash.

hmm but we were looking into purchasing a Pacifica and I/m not going to lie.. it ticked me off that my retired and very wealthy family members paid 7000 less for it two months ago bc their AGI is less than ours and I expanded my list to include non evs.. especially b/c teh batteries are terrible and I dont actually drive a lot, less than ten miles per week. was getting the car fro road trips. no-one likes feeling like they are getting ripped off- anyone who is getting w-2 income should be eligible for the tax break.

We have a Pacifica. It makes no sense to get it for road trips as the battery only goes 30 miles. It’s perfect for driving kids to soccer and school and grocery store runs. That’s what it’s destined for. We have one and only add gas once a year when we take it on a road trip.

When a PHEV is on a road trip, it is like a regular hybrid (think, prius) when the battery miles are used. So you are still getting good mileage, better than the ice Pacifica. I just finished a road trip in my Chevy Volt (my battery is about 50 miles) and I was getting 42 mpg on gas, as a hybrid.

I will say, I did see lots of Tesla superchargers on my trip (FL to NE and back) and my hotel last night even had free charging for Tesla only (no J1772). But I'm another one who hesitates to buy a Tesla because I think Elon Musk is crazy and could do something to the cars' software if he wants to.

I’d love to have more options like the Volt. Right now we are getting about 60 miles of EV range on our 2017. We very rarely use gas.
We also have a Bolt.

PP here-I just bought the Volt, it is a 2017-but I have heard that the 2023 Toyota Prius Prime is very similar to the Volt.