Tesla now only $23k

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

We’ve had ours about five years and have only had a couple minor issues. The tech came to our house to fix them and it was a pretty simple process. Much easier and cheaper than taking something to the dealer. And no oil changes. They generally require less maintenance and the tech updates generally come via remote download that happens automatically overnight.

sure, but it is still more expensive to insure, and what happens if you get into an accident?

More expensive than what? Ours is cheaper than the Audi.

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

DH claims the technology will be outdated v soon.

pp here.. yea, DH says the same, that the technology is going to change rapidly in a few years because of the push now for EVs. He thinks we are not quite there yet for EVs to be worth it.

Personally, I don't like the idea of relying on all electric or all gas. I like the idea of a hybrid phev but they have both evs and regular cars issues since they use both types of tech.

What to do? Need a car next year. Our old car is not going to last much longer.

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

We’ve had ours about five years and have only had a couple minor issues. The tech came to our house to fix them and it was a pretty simple process. Much easier and cheaper than taking something to the dealer. And no oil changes. They generally require less maintenance and the tech updates generally come via remote download that happens automatically overnight.

sure, but it is still more expensive to insure, and what happens if you get into an accident?

More expensive than what? Ours is cheaper than the Audi.

um.. ok, but we don't have an Audi, either. So, more expensive than "normal" cars.

https://www.carsdirect.com/automotive-news/green-technology/why-are-teslas-expensive-to-insure

So, even if you get the "cheap" Tesla, it's more like insuring a luxury vehicle.

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Anonymous wrote:I no longer trust anything Elon Musk had a hand in. Not sure I would even drive a free one at this point.

+1. I refuse to drive something that he (or a hacker, but he's the bigger concern IMO) could alter or turn off, or mess with the diagnostics to hide mechanical issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d pay more than that not to be driving around a douchemobile. I feel sorry for those who bought before Elon became King of the Wankbros.

No one cares about Elon’s politics. You think tons of Hispanics care about the fact that the Goya foods ceo is a maga type?

Well that’s because many Americans are ignorant and selfish. If they had the knowledge and discipline to vote with their wallets, evil egomaniacs like Musk would think twice about spreading their unverified, illogical nut job politics.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

Almost always means AGI.

I never knew Biden and the Dems were so conservative, withholding tax incentives from 2-income families. Get back in the kitchen, spouses!

Or maybe they are liberal, and they want us to cohabitate instead of marry?

?

The vast majority of Americans make less than $300K HHI. If your HHI is $300K, you are in the to 5% and can afford a $30K car.

Our HHI is about $300K. We bought a car a few years ago for $30K cash.

hmm but we were looking into purchasing a Pacifica and I/m not going to lie.. it ticked me off that my retired and very wealthy family members paid 7000 less for it two months ago bc their AGI is less than ours and I expanded my list to include non evs.. especially b/c teh batteries are terrible and I dont actually drive a lot, less than ten miles per week. was getting the car fro road trips. no-one likes feeling like they are getting ripped off- anyone who is getting w-2 income should be eligible for the tax break.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

Almost always means AGI.

I never knew Biden and the Dems were so conservative, withholding tax incentives from 2-income families. Get back in the kitchen, spouses!

Or maybe they are liberal, and they want us to cohabitate instead of marry?

?

The vast majority of Americans make less than $300K HHI. If your HHI is $300K, you are in the to 5% and can afford a $30K car.

Our HHI is about $300K. We bought a car a few years ago for $30K cash.

hmm but we were looking into purchasing a Pacifica and I/m not going to lie.. it ticked me off that my retired and very wealthy family members paid 7000 less for it two months ago bc their AGI is less than ours and I expanded my list to include non evs.. especially b/c teh batteries are terrible and I dont actually drive a lot, less than ten miles per week. was getting the car fro road trips. no-one likes feeling like they are getting ripped off- anyone who is getting w-2 income should be eligible for the tax break.

Tax credits are not a discount off the price of the car. They paid the same or similar for the vehicle.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

Almost always means AGI.

I never knew Biden and the Dems were so conservative, withholding tax incentives from 2-income families. Get back in the kitchen, spouses!

Or maybe they are liberal, and they want us to cohabitate instead of marry?

?

The vast majority of Americans make less than $300K HHI. If your HHI is $300K, you are in the to 5% and can afford a $30K car.

Our HHI is about $300K. We bought a car a few years ago for $30K cash.

hmm but we were looking into purchasing a Pacifica and I/m not going to lie.. it ticked me off that my retired and very wealthy family members paid 7000 less for it two months ago bc their AGI is less than ours and I expanded my list to include non evs.. especially b/c teh batteries are terrible and I dont actually drive a lot, less than ten miles per week. was getting the car fro road trips. no-one likes feeling like they are getting ripped off- anyone who is getting w-2 income should be eligible for the tax break.

We have a Pacifica. It makes no sense to get it for road trips as the battery only goes 30 miles. It’s perfect for driving kids to soccer and school and grocery store runs. That’s what it’s destined for. We have one and only add gas once a year when we take it on a road trip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d pay more than that not to be driving around a douchemobile. I feel sorry for those who bought before Elon became King of the Wankbros.

No one cares about Elon’s politics. You think tons of Hispanics care about the fact that the Goya foods ceo is a maga type?

Well that’s because many Americans are ignorant and selfish. If they had the knowledge and discipline to vote with their wallets, evil egomaniacs like Musk would think twice about spreading their unverified, illogical nut job politics.

Stupid generalization. Europeans snd their luxury brands. Lol, it’s not like German luxury brands were connected to actual real life Nazis, or lvmh has way too much influence on French politics.

Oh wait…..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

An income test for a car tax break is so messed up. So I should pay more for a car bc I make more? We already have a progressive tax system to allegedly make it “fair”. Making a car tax break only available to low income is basically me subsidizing them buying a more expensive car than they can otherwise afford. It’s BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

An income test for a car tax break is so messed up. So I should pay more for a car bc I make more? We already have a progressive tax system to allegedly make it “fair”. Making a car tax break only available to low income is basically me subsidizing them buying a more expensive car than they can otherwise afford. It’s BS.

Welcome to the communism of the democratic party. YOU get a car! And YOU get a car! EVERYBODY GETS A CAR!*

*offeres excludes evil rich people making over 300k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

No, it's not! The cheapest list price is $38,030 (without adding in taxes and other BS charges Tesla adds). tax credits are $7,500 which takes it down to about $32,500 (plus taxes and Tesla BS fees).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would I want to be seen in a car that government subsidies have allowed poors to afford?

Why would anyone GAF what car you drive?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

DH claims the technology will be outdated v soon.

pp here.. yea, DH says the same, that the technology is going to change rapidly in a few years because of the push now for EVs. He thinks we are not quite there yet for EVs to be worth it.

Personally, I don't like the idea of relying on all electric or all gas. I like the idea of a hybrid phev but they have both evs and regular cars issues since they use both types of tech.

What to do? Need a car next year. Our old car is not going to last much longer.

Just stick to an IC car. Tried and tested. Battery/Alternative tech will be much more evolved in about 10 years for your next car.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d pay more than that not to be driving around a douchemobile. I feel sorry for those who bought before Elon became King of the Wankbros.

No one cares about Elon’s politics. You think tons of Hispanics care about the fact that the Goya foods ceo is a maga type?

Yes, some of us do care!