Has this board missed the huge contraction in tech?

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

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There are more CS hires, for sure, but Google hires more philosophy degree grads straight out of college than any other company. Humanities majors who want to move into product dev/man honestly can do okay. Not many want that, but if they do .. it's there.

The question is not if they do, but if they CAN do. A few liberal arts majors (especially those from Ivys) can learn and adapt quickly, and they are willing to venture out of their comfort zones. But many liberal arts majors can’t. I’ll take a civil or environmental engineering major over any liberal arts major any day.

Top 10 paying jobs are all in engineering jobs, and computer engineering is not even the #1 paying job, but it is in the Top 10.

And there's a reason for that.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

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There are more CS hires, for sure, but Google hires more philosophy degree grads straight out of college than any other company. Humanities majors who want to move into product dev/man honestly can do okay. Not many want that, but if they do .. it's there.

Not all tech jobs are coding.

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Anonymous wrote:Cybersecurity is still hot.

For now, I question how that field can possibly absorb all of the kids who are flocking to it now, especially given how ripe it is for automation.

It is a strange misconception that CS is ripe for automation...creative fields, law, accounting, etc. are routinely cited as far more ripe for automation. Not to say CS is not as well, but it is impossible to know what to study if you are worried about being automated out of a career. Unless you are planning to pursue a trade...basically, every white collar job is vulnerable.

At least someone needs to program the AI and build the robots overlords...until they become aware at least.

Cyber security is ripe for automation and is largely automated by organizations large enough to afford automation

Yeah...but isn't someone programming the cyber security tools that the organizations use to automate their cybersecurity?

There is only so much automation right now. The key to these jobs is having a clearance.

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Anonymous wrote:Cybersecurity is still hot.

For now, I question how that field can possibly absorb all of the kids who are flocking to it now, especially given how ripe it is for automation.

It is a strange misconception that CS is ripe for automation...creative fields, law, accounting, etc. are routinely cited as far more ripe for automation. Not to say CS is not as well, but it is impossible to know what to study if you are worried about being automated out of a career. Unless you are planning to pursue a trade...basically, every white collar job is vulnerable.

At least someone needs to program the AI and build the robots overlords...until they become aware at least.

CS is far more ripe for automation than law. I can already use automation to build a functional app but would never use it to write a brief to file in federal court. I am a lawyer and DH is a software engineer and he whole heartedly agrees, BTW.

Good luck with that...

You really don’t get it. Law is war. Increased technology hasn’t ever made wars cheaper. Just more effective. If you give me an AI tool that makes my “troops” 1,000x more effective I’m not going to fire them. I’m going to rain hell down on my enemy. But wait, they will have the same tech, so we will still just be going head to head.

They guy selling the pick axes always does better than those doing the mining.

My whole career in litigation I’ve been hearing tech would bring down bills. The opposite has happened the whole time. We use tech to do more.

dp.. yes, exactly. There will be more B2B type of software, too. It's not as sexy as AI or social media or gaming software, but the job market in that field is pretty good.

CS jobs in biotech is also pretty hot.

I stated earlier, they high pay we saw is cyclical. We are at a downturn right now, but there will eventually be an upswing in tech again. Some of it is a matter of timing and luck.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

+1

There are more CS hires, for sure, but Google hires more philosophy degree grads straight out of college than any other company. Humanities majors who want to move into product dev/man honestly can do okay. Not many want that, but if they do .. it's there.

The question is not if they do, but if they CAN do. A few liberal arts majors (especially those from Ivys) can learn and adapt quickly, and they are willing to venture out of their comfort zones. But many liberal arts majors can’t. I’ll take a civil or environmental engineering major over any liberal arts major any day.

I have no idea where you work, so I'll take your word on it. We hire a lot of liberal arts majors. I get that I'm also not saying where I work, but it's a major employer. I have no idea what you're saying about liberal art majors and comfort zones. CS majors are more tracked from a young age than philosophy majors. I've had so many new hires that were liberal arts majors that started X and ended in Y and it can be pretty attractive. I also just want to say in a multi-national company there are jobs in every catergory. We have a million finance types. And publishers and editorial staff. Lawyers and writers. We have composers. We have people who help us with college admissions (DCUM would die). For every CS/engineer who walks in the door in the morning, I bet there are 5 that are not -- probably a lot more.

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Anonymous wrote:Cybersecurity is still hot.

For now, I question how that field can possibly absorb all of the kids who are flocking to it now, especially given how ripe it is for automation.

It is a strange misconception that CS is ripe for automation...creative fields, law, accounting, etc. are routinely cited as far more ripe for automation. Not to say CS is not as well, but it is impossible to know what to study if you are worried about being automated out of a career. Unless you are planning to pursue a trade...basically, every white collar job is vulnerable.

At least someone needs to program the AI and build the robots overlords...until they become aware at least.

Cyber security is ripe for automation and is largely automated by organizations large enough to afford automation

Yeah...but isn't someone programming the cyber security tools that the organizations use to automate their cybersecurity?

There is only so much automation right now. The key to these jobs is having a clearance.

There will always be need for human intervention, especially in areas that require clearance.

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Anonymous wrote:Fwiw, FAANG stock prices all doing very well this month. META is up 18 percent

Meta is doing so well because of how deeply they cut overpaid jobs!

They all over hired and were very fat and happy

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In CS, it matters a great deal what courses one takes. People with hands-on experience in operating systems internals, compiler internals, or embedded systems will do well. By contrast, Web programmers, script programmers, and application programmers all are in surplus, not shortage.

I’d hire 5 or more ECE/CS grads tomorrow who know Unix/Linux internals, Internet protocol internals, embedded systems, digital communications, and/or Verilog/VHDL. More of those skills = higher salary.

Any Verilog/VHDL programmer who lacks work or is poorly paid just isn’t trying to find good work. Huge huge shortage of people with that skill set. People with experience with Altera/Xilinx FPGAs are hotter than people with ASIC skills, but both are desperately needed.

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Anonymous wrote:In CS, it matters a great deal what courses one takes. People with hands-on experience in operating systems internals, compiler internals, or embedded systems will do well. By contrast, Web programmers, script programmers, and application programmers all are in surplus, not shortage.

I’d hire 5 or more ECE/CS grads tomorrow who know Unix/Linux internals, Internet protocol internals, embedded systems, digital communications, and/or Verilog/VHDL. More of those skills = higher salary.

Any Verilog/VHDL programmer who lacks work or is poorly paid just isn’t trying to find good work. Huge huge shortage of people with that skill set. People with experience with Altera/Xilinx FPGAs are hotter than people with ASIC skills, but both are desperately needed.

The company you work for or own depends on who you hire. Your needs will be different than someone else's.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

100% agree.. a successful person changes careers multiple times. I for one was a civil engineer, worked as a programmer (don't ask me how), then completed an MBA by moving to US, worked in marketing and now finance at a Tech company. I go where the opportunities are and where I can achieve my personal preferences of work life balance

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

100% agree.. a successful person changes careers multiple times. I for one was a civil engineer, worked as a programmer (don't ask me how), then completed an MBA by moving to US, worked in marketing and now finance at a Tech company. I go where the opportunities are and where I can achieve my personal preferences of work life balance

If you are that successful in your field you job jump but stay in the same field.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

100% agree.. a successful person changes careers multiple times. I for one was a civil engineer, worked as a programmer (don't ask me how), then completed an MBA by moving to US, worked in marketing and now finance at a Tech company. I go where the opportunities are and where I can achieve my personal preferences of work life balance

If you are that successful in your field you job jump but stay in the same field.

Life is winding path.. what works for you doesn't work for everyone is my point. Need to be open to career changes, continuing educations, advanced degrees as interests- opportunities change over time.

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Imagine other majors

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Anonymous wrote:People don't seem to understand that the kids that graduate from a CS program and typically much more intelligent that the others who didn't, especially considering the competition to get into those programs over the past several years. Do you think they won't be able to figure out their careers relative to someone who majored in, what, English?

100% agree.. a successful person changes careers multiple times. I for one was a civil engineer, worked as a programmer (don't ask me how), then completed an MBA by moving to US, worked in marketing and now finance at a Tech company. I go where the opportunities are and where I can achieve my personal preferences of work life balance

If you are that successful in your field you job jump but stay in the same field.

Life is winding path.. what works for you doesn't work for everyone is my point. Need to be open to career changes, continuing educations, advanced degrees as interests- opportunities change over time.

Agree, but constant changes in career are a huge red flag. Improving skills is different.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine other majors

+1 STEM is a much safer bet than humanities majors.