Data show people are fleeing MoCo for Frederick

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Anonymous wrote:Give it 10-15 years and people will start fleeing Frederick County as well.

Maybe, but 10-15 years is a pretty good run. That’s about how long I’ve been in MOCO, and when it comes time for my kids to transition to upper grade schools, that will probably be the end of my time here.

For anyone that doubts that people are leaving and will continue to leave, can you name a reason why they would not? For the taxpayers in the brackets that will allow them a lot of mobility, what do you think is getting better for them?

Schools? Crime? Thrive 2050? Housing goals that state that 75% of new housing should be lower to middle income?

All of the jobs coming to the area?

Of course some people will leave, other people will move in, and the average household income in the area will decline. If they can work out a way to fund the schools, I guess good for them and enjoy your bike lanes?

And off you will go to Florida, which you've hated due to their awful policies but you'll slink there anyway.

Fortunately, there are places somewhere between MoCo's SS crazies and the FL right wing jerks.

One could at least move to the parts of Texas that the California escapees are turning blue(ish).

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When I do "flee" MoCo, it won't be for Frederick, or any other surrounding area. It will be to another area of the country altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:Is everyone in Frederick WFH? I don't see the value of living there if you have to commute.

Better schools

You got jokes

I moved to Frederick CO from NW DC and the schools are MUCH better. My special needs kid is thriving whereas in DC he was getting nothing (literally no services and Murch just shrugged their shoulders and this was pre-pandemic)

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Anonymous wrote:Have a relative (from a totally different area) moving outside of Frederick. To me it is very dense cookie cutter communities plopped down in the middle of farmland. No appeal.

Better than paying taxes for crime and declining schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a relative (from a totally different area) moving outside of Frederick. To me it is very dense cookie cutter communities plopped down in the middle of farmland. No appeal.

Better than paying taxes for crime and declining schools.

https://wtop.com/frederick-county/2023/04/longtime-frederick-co-sheriff-indicted-on-conspiracy-charges-in-machine-gun-scheme/

Sounds good!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep raising taxes, increasing crime due to progressive criminal justice reform, and choking off economic and businesses growth MoCo council:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

MoCo has entered the spiral down. People with means are fleeing, so how do think the county is going to try to keep the budget from blowing out? Expect many more tax increases in the future, because that's the solution the clowns in charge only ever have. People with means will keep on fleeing, and the tax base will crumble further.

Moco has been in a spiral for quite some time. It is easy to point the finger at Elrich. But just look at what happened when the Transurban bridge contract was cancelled, county politicians that you would expect to be moderates that should know better like Marc Korman were giddy with joy and having actual parties. There is a brain disease that has infiltrated the entire political class of this county and I don’t see any hope that there is any way to pull ourselves out of this mess now. It is time to move.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Keep raising taxes, increasing crime due to progressive criminal justice reform, and choking off economic and businesses growth MoCo council:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

MoCo has entered the spiral down. People with means are fleeing, so how do think the county is going to try to keep the budget from blowing out? Expect many more tax increases in the future, because that's the solution the clowns in charge only ever have. People with means will keep on fleeing, and the tax base will crumble further.

Moco has been in a spiral for quite some time. It is easy to point the finger at Elrich. But just look at what happened when the Transurban bridge contract was cancelled, county politicians that you would expect to be moderates that should know better like Marc Korman were giddy with joy and having actual parties. There is a brain disease that has infiltrated the entire political class of this county and I don’t see any hope that there is any way to pull ourselves out of this mess now. It is time to move.

Moco is exponentially better in every way than it was in the 70’s/80’s by every measure except housing prices.

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Anonymous wrote:Is everyone in Frederick WFH? I don't see the value of living there if you have to commute.

Better schools

Literally only 2 clusters are good. Urbana and Oakdale, and both are just as expensive as MoCo.

Urbana is decidedly not as expensive as Moco. Plus you get like 4 community pools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep raising taxes, increasing crime due to progressive criminal justice reform, and choking off economic and businesses growth MoCo council:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

MoCo has entered the spiral down. People with means are fleeing, so how do think the county is going to try to keep the budget from blowing out? Expect many more tax increases in the future, because that's the solution the clowns in charge only ever have. People with means will keep on fleeing, and the tax base will crumble further.

Moco has been in a spiral for quite some time. It is easy to point the finger at Elrich. But just look at what happened when the Transurban bridge contract was cancelled, county politicians that you would expect to be moderates that should know better like Marc Korman were giddy with joy and having actual parties. There is a brain disease that has infiltrated the entire political class of this county and I don’t see any hope that there is any way to pull ourselves out of this mess now. It is time to move.

Moco is exponentially better in every way than it was in the 70’s/80’s by every measure except housing prices.

I think that people are focusing on trends more recent than the Ford administration.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a relative (from a totally different area) moving outside of Frederick. To me it is very dense cookie cutter communities plopped down in the middle of farmland. No appeal.

Better than paying taxes for crime and declining schools.

That describes most of montgomery county. Except for the bubble of Chevy chase nethesd and close in silver spring.

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Anonymous wrote:Is everyone in Frederick WFH? I don't see the value of living there if you have to commute.

Better schools

Literally only 2 clusters are good. Urbana and Oakdale, and both are just as expensive as MoCo.

Urbana is decidedly not as expensive as Moco. Plus you get like 4 community pools.

Depends on where in Moco. I believe Clarksburg and Urbana are similarly priced (because they're both newer and right next to each other). But of course it's less expensive than say Chevy Chase.

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Anonymous wrote:Is everyone in Frederick WFH? I don't see the value of living there if you have to commute.

Better schools

Literally only 2 clusters are good. Urbana and Oakdale, and both are just as expensive as MoCo.

Urbana is decidedly not as expensive as Moco. Plus you get like 4 community pools.

Depends on where in Moco. I believe Clarksburg and Urbana are similarly priced (because they're both newer and right next to each other). But of course it's less expensive than say Chevy Chase.

Let’s agree that Clarksburg and Urbana are similarly priced. Urbana has better rated schools and less crime. Not to say that there is anything wrong with Clarksburg, but these are just facts. If the location works for you, the choice is easy.

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This is just a regional trend. People "fleeing" Fairfax for Loudoun and to a lesser extent Prince William. People "fleeing" PG for Charles. Many decades ago, people were "fleeing" DC for Fairfax, Montgomery, and PG. People just move to where they can get more value, which has typically been farther away from the original job centers. Then new satellite job centers are created (Tysons, Reston, Fairfax, Bethesda, Rockville, Gaithersburg). Now you have newer satellite job centers with data centers in Loudoun and biotech in Frederick. Furthermore, the increase in remote work has facilitated the move out. Note people are still sticking around regionally.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just a regional trend. People "fleeing" Fairfax for Loudoun and to a lesser extent Prince William. People "fleeing" PG for Charles. Many decades ago, people were "fleeing" DC for Fairfax, Montgomery, and PG. People just move to where they can get more value, which has typically been farther away from the original job centers. Then new satellite job centers are created (Tysons, Reston, Fairfax, Bethesda, Rockville, Gaithersburg). Now you have newer satellite job centers with data centers in Loudoun and biotech in Frederick. Furthermore, the increase in remote work has facilitated the move out. Note people are still sticking around regionally.

Yeah but few regions go out of their way to promote undocumented immigrants’ migration like Moco (for largely national democratic hopes of electoral dominance). The story of Casa de Maryland is a powerful one - even though its HQ is in Prince George’s. It has become a kingmaker in Maryland - and what you see in Moco is a switch- Hispanics (Moco) for whites/AAs (Frederick/PG). The county’s structural problem is the voters they are attracting make significantly less than the ones who are leaving. The other question - are the voters in the bubbles like Chevy Chase and Bethesda willing to pay taxes to provide an expensive and subpar education largely to the poor of Central America?

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Anonymous wrote:This is just a regional trend. People "fleeing" Fairfax for Loudoun and to a lesser extent Prince William. People "fleeing" PG for Charles. Many decades ago, people were "fleeing" DC for Fairfax, Montgomery, and PG. People just move to where they can get more value, which has typically been farther away from the original job centers. Then new satellite job centers are created (Tysons, Reston, Fairfax, Bethesda, Rockville, Gaithersburg). Now you have newer satellite job centers with data centers in Loudoun and biotech in Frederick. Furthermore, the increase in remote work has facilitated the move out. Note people are still sticking around regionally.

Yeah but few regions go out of their way to promote undocumented immigrants’ migration like Moco (for largely national democratic hopes of electoral dominance). The story of Casa de Maryland is a powerful one - even though its HQ is in Prince George’s. It has become a kingmaker in Maryland - and what you see in Moco is a switch- Hispanics (Moco) for whites/AAs (Frederick/PG). The county’s structural problem is the voters they are attracting make significantly less than the ones who are leaving. The other question - are the voters in the bubbles like Chevy Chase and Bethesda willing to pay taxes to provide an expensive and subpar education largely to the poor of Central America?

I don't disagree. However, Moco is not the only county experiencing this issue. Fairfax and Montgomery are more alike than different. Fairfax's Hispanic population is ~16.6% and Montgomery's is ~20.1%. The absolute numbers are a bit closer because Fairfax has a larger population overall. So Moco is not attracting a highly disproportionate number of Hispanic voters, they seem to be more or less distributed across the inner ring of DC suburbs. PG's Hispanic population is ~20.4%, but a lower absolute number because PG is smaller than Fairfax and Montgomery.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/princegeorgescountymaryland,montgomerycountymaryland,fairfaxcountyvirginia/PST045222