Canceled Right-Wing Event at the Cleveland Park Library

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

I don’t really care about her idealism or whether she misunderstands her constituents. she should not be making public threats about unconstitutional actions.

Well, that's her 1st Amendment right. Her constituents can vote her out for her manic online behavior.

But let's make something explicitly clear: this ANC rep has exactly zero power over the DC government or the local library. She can post whatever Twitter-Twatter she wants, but she is effectively toothless.

Do we actually have a confirmation that the library event was canceled? I'm not believing anything that comes from Very Online People.

She says she got it cancelled. If she called and threatened, it's possible a DC library employee just folded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

I don’t really care about her idealism or whether she misunderstands her constituents. she should not be making public threats about unconstitutional actions.

There is nothing idealistic about violating First Amendment free speech rights. I'm very progressive. I despise these conservative clowns, and I'd happily send my kids to a drag reading. But an elected official trying to shut down a book reading at a public library, no matter how horrible it is, isn't being progressive. She's being a fascist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

I don’t really care about her idealism or whether she misunderstands her constituents. she should not be making public threats about unconstitutional actions.

Well, that's her 1st Amendment right. Her constituents can vote her out for her manic online behavior.

But let's make something explicitly clear: this ANC rep has exactly zero power over the DC government or the local library. She can post whatever Twitter-Twatter she wants, but she is effectively toothless.

Do we actually have a confirmation that the library event was canceled? I'm not believing anything that comes from Very Online People.

If she successfully pressured the library to cancel the event, as she claims, she absolutely could be sued under the 1st Amend. Hopefully ANCs have good indeminification or she bought umbrella insurance…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

I don’t really care about her idealism or whether she misunderstands her constituents. she should not be making public threats about unconstitutional actions.

Well, that's her 1st Amendment right. Her constituents can vote her out for her manic online behavior.

But let's make something explicitly clear: this ANC rep has exactly zero power over the DC government or the local library. She can post whatever Twitter-Twatter she wants, but she is effectively toothless.

Do we actually have a confirmation that the library event was canceled? I'm not believing anything that comes from Very Online People.

If she successfully pressured the library to cancel the event, as she claims, she absolutely could be sued under the 1st Amend. Hopefully ANCs have good indeminification or she bought umbrella insurance…

Has anyone called the library to see exactly what happened?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

I don’t really care about her idealism or whether she misunderstands her constituents. she should not be making public threats about unconstitutional actions.

Well, that's her 1st Amendment right. Her constituents can vote her out for her manic online behavior.

But let's make something explicitly clear: this ANC rep has exactly zero power over the DC government or the local library. She can post whatever Twitter-Twatter she wants, but she is effectively toothless.

Do we actually have a confirmation that the library event was canceled? I'm not believing anything that comes from Very Online People.

If she successfully pressured the library to cancel the event, as she claims, she absolutely could be sued under the 1st Amend. Hopefully ANCs have good indeminification or she bought umbrella insurance…

As an elected member of our government she would have violated a first amendment right by using her government power to restrain/censor speech in a public forum. That is exactly what the first amendment is meant to protect people from, the tyranny of government. She should lose everything she has if this is indeed cancelled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

I don’t really care about her idealism or whether she misunderstands her constituents. she should not be making public threats about unconstitutional actions.

Well, that's her 1st Amendment right. Her constituents can vote her out for her manic online behavior.

But let's make something explicitly clear: this ANC rep has exactly zero power over the DC government or the local library. She can post whatever Twitter-Twatter she wants, but she is effectively toothless.

Do we actually have a confirmation that the library event was canceled? I'm not believing anything that comes from Very Online People.

If she successfully pressured the library to cancel the event, as she claims, she absolutely could be sued under the 1st Amend. Hopefully ANCs have good indeminification or she bought umbrella insurance…

Has anyone called the library to see exactly what happened?

I can’t get a live person on the phone. I’ll keep trying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

I don’t really care about her idealism or whether she misunderstands her constituents. she should not be making public threats about unconstitutional actions.

Well, that's her 1st Amendment right. Her constituents can vote her out for her manic online behavior.

But let's make something explicitly clear: this ANC rep has exactly zero power over the DC government or the local library. She can post whatever Twitter-Twatter she wants, but she is effectively toothless.

Do we actually have a confirmation that the library event was canceled? I'm not believing anything that comes from Very Online People.

If she successfully pressured the library to cancel the event, as she claims, she absolutely could be sued under the 1st Amend. Hopefully ANCs have good indeminification or she bought umbrella insurance…

As an elected member of our government she would have violated a first amendment right by using her government power to restrain/censor speech in a public forum. That is exactly what the first amendment is meant to protect people from, the tyranny of government. She should lose everything she has if this is indeed cancelled.

The ANCs have no power over the library, though, so it'd make for an interesting case -- if she has no actual power to tell the library what to do, is it a 1st Amendment violation? Seems like suing the library would have a better chance of succeeding (and also the library surely has deeper pockets than some random ANC member).

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:I have no idea what grounds led to the event being cancelled and, without knowing that, I don't whether the cancellation was justified. But I think it is important to know that these were not just "right-wing personalities". Chaya Raichik is the person behind LibsofTiktok and Jack Posobiec was one of the main proponents of PizzaGate. Both have been linked to acts of violence. In Posobiec's case, it was just up the street from the library. I find it interesting that the Ward 2 Chair of the DC GOP apparently reserved the room for this group.

Please expand on this statement.

Certainly you are aware of the armed attack and attempted arson at Comet Pingpong that resulted from Posobiec's PizzaGate conspiracy theories. For some background on Libsoftiktok, see this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/02/lgbtq-threats-hospitals-libs-of-tiktok/

Both were also involved in the January 6 events at the Capitol.

these are not the kind of links that justify prior restraint under the 1st Amend. The standard is extremely high.

Except the precedent for determining WHERE free speech can be exercised is well set. Jack and company are still free to demonstrate on the street outside if they wish. But the SCOTUS has certainly upheld the notion of "free speech zones" at events. I think the library is probably well within its rights to deny space if they have reasonable reason to fear violence.

Except that the only reason why the library would fear violence is if leftist provocateurs show up at the event. This is not a violent event. It is reading a freaking book for kids. Yes Kirk Cameron is a religious nut who doesn’t believe in evolution but if people want their kids to hear whatever ridiculous book he has chosen to read, that’s up to them. People showing up and provoking them is the real problem and is just as bad as the idiot right wingers who show up to drag story time. Just leave it alone.

How dare you appropriate the language I used to accurately describe the likes of Probsiec and his ilk? People pushing back at their nonsense may be silly to take the bait but they're not the "provocateurs." That label is owned exclusively by bad-faith right-wingers who do nothing but try to inflame tensions.

Well that is so silly, I assume this is a troll.

Well, no. I'm not. By definition, someone reacting to a provocateur cannot be a provocateur themselves. Were you born stupid or were you dropped on your head as a baby or something?

There's that famous progressive tolerance. "When they go low, we go high!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I have no idea what grounds led to the event being cancelled and, without knowing that, I don't whether the cancellation was justified. But I think it is important to know that these were not just "right-wing personalities". Chaya Raichik is the person behind LibsofTiktok and Jack Posobiec was one of the main proponents of PizzaGate. Both have been linked to acts of violence. In Posobiec's case, it was just up the street from the library. I find it interesting that the Ward 2 Chair of the DC GOP apparently reserved the room for this group.

Please expand on this statement.

Certainly you are aware of the armed attack and attempted arson at Comet Pingpong that resulted from Posobiec's PizzaGate conspiracy theories. For some background on Libsoftiktok, see this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/02/lgbtq-threats-hospitals-libs-of-tiktok/

Both were also involved in the January 6 events at the Capitol.

these are not the kind of links that justify prior restraint under the 1st Amend. The standard is extremely high.

Except the precedent for determining WHERE free speech can be exercised is well set. Jack and company are still free to demonstrate on the street outside if they wish. But the SCOTUS has certainly upheld the notion of "free speech zones" at events. I think the library is probably well within its rights to deny space if they have reasonable reason to fear violence.

Except that the only reason why the library would fear violence is if leftist provocateurs show up at the event. This is not a violent event. It is reading a freaking book for kids. Yes Kirk Cameron is a religious nut who doesn’t believe in evolution but if people want their kids to hear whatever ridiculous book he has chosen to read, that’s up to them. People showing up and provoking them is the real problem and is just as bad as the idiot right wingers who show up to drag story time. Just leave it alone.

How dare you appropriate the language I used to accurately describe the likes of Probsiec and his ilk? People pushing back at their nonsense may be silly to take the bait but they're not the "provocateurs." That label is owned exclusively by bad-faith right-wingers who do nothing but try to inflame tensions.

Well that is so silly, I assume this is a troll.

Well, no. I'm not. By definition, someone reacting to a provocateur cannot be a provocateur themselves. Were you born stupid or were you dropped on your head as a baby or something?

There's that famous progressive tolerance. "When they go low, we go high!"

Especially because the Kirk Cameron events are being scheduled because several libraries holding drag events rejected his Christian book reading first. That attracted attention from conservatives. So who is provoking who?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

Generally, in representative democracy, the idea is that voters elect representatives whose views represent the voters' views.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

I don’t really care about her idealism or whether she misunderstands her constituents. she should not be making public threats about unconstitutional actions.

Well, that's her 1st Amendment right. Her constituents can vote her out for her manic online behavior.

But let's make something explicitly clear: this ANC rep has exactly zero power over the DC government or the local library. She can post whatever Twitter-Twatter she wants, but she is effectively toothless.

Do we actually have a confirmation that the library event was canceled? I'm not believing anything that comes from Very Online People.

She says she got it cancelled. If she called and threatened, it's possible a DC library employee just folded.

Yeah there's a power dynamic at play if that happened.

[Anonymous]

It’s still on the book publisher’s website so there’s no evidence the ANC rep did anything but tweet. She’s wrong, obviously, but it doesn’t even seem like anything happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same ANC rep threatened to shut down any business that treated workers unfairly. She's young and idealistic, but like many other 3C ANC reps think they were elected to push forward their own views rather than represent their consituents.

I don’t really care about her idealism or whether she misunderstands her constituents. she should not be making public threats about unconstitutional actions.

There is nothing idealistic about violating First Amendment free speech rights. I'm very progressive. I despise these conservative clowns, and I'd happily send my kids to a drag reading. But an elected official trying to shut down a book reading at a public library, no matter how horrible it is, isn't being progressive. She's being a fascist.

Preach. Not liking or supporting speech/conversation is an American right. Shutting the speech down is true facism.

[Anonymous]

I think it has been cancelled. Nothing on the library's website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it has been cancelled. Nothing on the library's website.

It wouldn’t be a library event on the library’s calendar. They simply reserved a room at the library.

It’s dumb outrage stunt to generate social media content.