The JK Rowling Podcast

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She's a mediocre writer and a hateful person. I'm glad the 10 year olds of today have no interest in HP.

Oh please. Hateful how?

She’s a vocal Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. She is vocal against the notion that trans-women are women.

You are just name calling. Comparing your language to hers, you are just a hateful person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a cis hetero man who has at times tried to make the case that JK Rowling has simply being trying to say what many posters here are saying. And I've thought that I'd be seen as an ally to natal women when making this case.

And 3 natal women have disagreed with me and thought it was JK Rowling who is trying to shut down conversations.

I don't get it.

It's because women hate to be perceived as a TERF, a Karen, or whatever misogynist stereotype of the day. It's the reason why we laugh at sexist jokes and ridicule other women because we so scared of being the one laughed at.

It’s not just that they hate to be perceived as a TERF. It is that women who are identified as such face violence and threats of violence. The brave women like JKR who speak up for women endure threats and violence against them. The risks for speaking out for women are very high.

Well the sad part is that it works. Seeing this level of hate really dissuades from speaking up. I don't speak up in real life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a cis hetero man who has at times tried to make the case that JK Rowling has simply being trying to say what many posters here are saying. And I've thought that I'd be seen as an ally to natal women when making this case.

And 3 natal women have disagreed with me and thought it was JK Rowling who is trying to shut down conversations.

I don't get it.

It's because women hate to be perceived as a TERF, a Karen, or whatever misogynist stereotype of the day. It's the reason why we laugh at sexist jokes and ridicule other women because we so scared of being the one laughed at.

It’s not just that they hate to be perceived as a TERF. It is that women who are identified as such face violence and threats of violence. The brave women like JKR who speak up for women endure threats and violence against them. The risks for speaking out for women are very high.

Well the sad part is that it works. Seeing this level of hate really dissuades from speaking up. I don't speak up in real life.

DP. Me either. My job involves some visibility so I keep my mouth shut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a cis hetero man who has at times tried to make the case that JK Rowling has simply being trying to say what many posters here are saying. And I've thought that I'd be seen as an ally to natal women when making this case.

And 3 natal women have disagreed with me and thought it was JK Rowling who is trying to shut down conversations.

I don't get it.

It's because women hate to be perceived as a TERF, a Karen, or whatever misogynist stereotype of the day. It's the reason why we laugh at sexist jokes and ridicule other women because we so scared of being the one laughed at.

It’s not just that they hate to be perceived as a TERF. It is that women who are identified as such face violence and threats of violence. The brave women like JKR who speak up for women endure threats and violence against them. The risks for speaking out for women are very high.

Well the sad part is that it works. Seeing this level of hate really dissuades from speaking up. I don't speak up in real life.

Same. But I will say this thread give me hope that we all haven't jumped off the deep end. I think more of us agree with her than let on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Don’t lump us together. Lots of lesbians (myself included) think JKR is A-OK.

Transwomen deserve respect and dignity. That does not require pretending that their biology and lived experiences are identical to that of natal women.

Ok. Who do you think is asking you to do that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Don’t lump us together. Lots of lesbians (myself included) think JKR is A-OK.

Transwomen deserve respect and dignity. That does not require pretending that their biology and lived experiences are identical to that of natal women.

I know there's a diversity of view within the LGBTQI community. But the trans movement has taken over the conversation. And we all self censor about the topic. I think the speed with which those changes occurred and a single thought was imposed is mind boggling. It took a long time for gay men to be accepted and respected, but they finally got there - at least in the West. Lesbians are still largely invisible. I think it's a combination of the fact the transwomen have more traction because they are born male and as such their wants and needs end up being heard, and the fact that other movements took advantage of this redefinition of gender to unleash a massive backlash against women, conveniently marginalizing them in this global context where Covid exacerbated gender inequalities, so that they don't have to compete with us women on an equal footing.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I asked someone the other day why it is that we are allowing trans women to define womanhood, but not demanding trans men to define manhood. It’s pure misogyny, and they are using the entire concept of tolerance against natal women. They can continue to destroy our rights and expand the rights of people with penises. It’s appalling.

And saying that doesn’t make me transphobic. That’s just designed to shut down discussion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Don’t lump us together. Lots of lesbians (myself included) think JKR is A-OK.

Transwomen deserve respect and dignity. That does not require pretending that their biology and lived experiences are identical to that of natal women.

I know there's a diversity of view within the LGBTQI community. But the trans movement has taken over the conversation. And we all self censor about the topic. I think the speed with which those changes occurred and a single thought was imposed is mind boggling. It took a long time for gay men to be accepted and respected, but they finally got there - at least in the West. Lesbians are still largely invisible. I think it's a combination of the fact the transwomen have more traction because they are born male and as such their wants and needs end up being heard, and the fact that other movements took advantage of this redefinition of gender to unleash a massive backlash against women, conveniently marginalizing them in this global context where Covid exacerbated gender inequalities, so that they don't have to compete with us women on an equal footing.

Spot on. I think that this is part of a larger attack on women, from both sides. Misogyny — often violent misogyny — is on the rise.

I don’t see any practical difference between the extreme anti-abortion right and the extreme trans-rights left when it comes to their overt and pronounced hatred of women. JKR is the unique woman rich enough and brave enough to face this rise of misogyny head-on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Don’t lump us together. Lots of lesbians (myself included) think JKR is A-OK.

Transwomen deserve respect and dignity. That does not require pretending that their biology and lived experiences are identical to that of natal women.

Ok. Who do you think is asking you to do that?

The people who put transwomen in women’s prisons, dv shelters, women’s sports, girls locker rooms, and similar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Don’t lump us together. Lots of lesbians (myself included) think JKR is A-OK.

Transwomen deserve respect and dignity. That does not require pretending that their biology and lived experiences are identical to that of natal women.

I know there's a diversity of view within the LGBTQI community. But the trans movement has taken over the conversation. And we all self censor about the topic. I think the speed with which those changes occurred and a single thought was imposed is mind boggling. It took a long time for gay men to be accepted and respected, but they finally got there - at least in the West. Lesbians are still largely invisible. I think it's a combination of the fact the transwomen have more traction because they are born male and as such their wants and needs end up being heard, and the fact that other movements took advantage of this redefinition of gender to unleash a massive backlash against women, conveniently marginalizing them in this global context where Covid exacerbated gender inequalities, so that they don't have to compete with us women on an equal footing.

Spot on. I think that this is part of a larger attack on women, from both sides. Misogyny — often violent misogyny — is on the rise.

I don’t see any practical difference between the extreme anti-abortion right and the extreme trans-rights left when it comes to their overt and pronounced hatred of women. JKR is the unique woman rich enough and brave enough to face this rise of misogyny head-on.

Such as?

[Anonymous]

Wow, people are showing their true colors on this thread. I’ll pass on the podcast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Don’t lump us together. Lots of lesbians (myself included) think JKR is A-OK.

Transwomen deserve respect and dignity. That does not require pretending that their biology and lived experiences are identical to that of natal women.

Ok. Who do you think is asking you to do that?

The people who put transwomen in women’s prisons, dv shelters, women’s sports, girls locker rooms, and similar.

Ok. That’s not “pretending” anything about biology or lived experiences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Don’t lump us together. Lots of lesbians (myself included) think JKR is A-OK.

Transwomen deserve respect and dignity. That does not require pretending that their biology and lived experiences are identical to that of natal women.

I know there's a diversity of view within the LGBTQI community. But the trans movement has taken over the conversation. And we all self censor about the topic. I think the speed with which those changes occurred and a single thought was imposed is mind boggling. It took a long time for gay men to be accepted and respected, but they finally got there - at least in the West. Lesbians are still largely invisible. I think it's a combination of the fact the transwomen have more traction because they are born male and as such their wants and needs end up being heard, and the fact that other movements took advantage of this redefinition of gender to unleash a massive backlash against women, conveniently marginalizing them in this global context where Covid exacerbated gender inequalities, so that they don't have to compete with us women on an equal footing.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I asked someone the other day why it is that we are allowing trans women to define womanhood, but not demanding trans men to define manhood. It’s pure misogyny, and they are using the entire concept of tolerance against natal women. They can continue to destroy our rights and expand the rights of people with penises. It’s appalling.

And saying that doesn’t make me transphobic. That’s just designed to shut down discussion.

Yes. Thank you for pointing that out. All the trans men I know are frankly very quiet, polite, almost timid guys and there is absolutely an element of the world's structural misogyny playing a role in that.

Meanwhile, I had the experience of a former friend, a transwoman, repeatedly ignore my boundaries, psychologically prey on me, and try to get money out of me. Not that these are representative examples but there is a certain pattern in my personal experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, people are showing their true colors on this thread. I’ll pass on the podcast.

Unfortunately there are some ugly anti-trans posters on DCUM. These threads are always a trainwreck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

So trans women are to be called women but biological women should be called people?