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Because speaking for women harms transwomen. It's harmful language. |
Now people can't speak for women? Says who? |
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Love Rowling. Not crazy about her politics. But good to see the efforts to ban/boycott her by a small but energetic group finally fizzling. And yes I thought the comments by the cast were ungrateful and turdish, though no doubt they felt a lot of pressure to fall in line at the time.
And credit to Bonham Carter for being more sane about it. |
Maybe 10yos are over it, but many of the 7 and 8yos at my kid's school are completely obsessed with HP. |
As a domestic violence survivor, JK Rowling is advocating for natal women to have their own spaces for safety's sake, without telling transwomen that they have to give up being transwomen. She actually has sympathy and respect for them, and has said so many times. And Rowling does not deny the existence of trans people. She's saying that in order to protect natal women, especially those who have been through SA and DV, we have to acknowledge distinct needs. She's been proven right, including in the recent Scotland prison ruckus. There are proven cases now of transwomen - or men pretending to be trans - sexually assaulting natal women. And last year trans advocacy resulted in defunding Canada’s oldest rape crisis center. That's not safe. But she doesn't hate trans people at all. I suggest you listen to the podcast. |
But I think this is exactly the point of dispute. It is not clear that she thinks trans-women are "not women" or should not be able to identify as women in pretty much all circumstances; instead it seems that she argues that transwomen and biological women do not necessarily have identical physical abilities/vulnerabilities or lived experiences. Calling this observation "hateful" is precisely why the far left seems radical on this point. |
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OP here - I want to stress that this podcast is not hateful. It doesn't come across as hateful at all to me.
Please listen with an open mind. At this point I loom at these knee-jerk reactions to Rowling, at the repeating of a narrow set of talking points, and I honestly don't see much of a difference between the anti-abortion Christian cult and the woke gender cult. |
| I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits. |
| Let's try to keep this on-topic please. |
This. Thank you. On-topic comment...in the first episode Rowling gives a painful, detailed account of how her first husband abused her, and how she got away. These are examples of what woman-experienced reality can be like. And she seems so thoughtful and compassionate when she talks...not at all an arrogant woman IMO. |
She's nothing like those people. Nothing at all. |
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I think she's fabulous and I admire her.
I agree with her wholeheartedly and I fully support trans people. There is nothing wrong with noting that trans women and cis women are not the same. |
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Yes. I think what transwomen are wanting to hear is, "Transwomen are human beings." They deserve human dignity.
But to say, "Transwomen are women" is inaccurate. I am a Dianic Wiccan and our community gets a lot of sh-- because our spaces are for biological women. We don't hate transwomen, we just have a spirituality that is designed for biological women. I think we can have these distinctions without prejudice. |
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No, they want to hear that they are women. JK Rowling has never implied that they are not human beings worthy of human dignity. They are angry because she will not say that they are the same as cis women. |