anyone else strongly consider leaving due to garbage US healthcare?

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Anonymous wrote:For all of you "strongley considering" leaving the US due to healthcare, "democracy dying," etc. please go. Renounce your citzenship and make room for people who want to be here. People are literally dying as they trek thousands of miles to the southern border because they are so desparate to live in the US. Is the US perfect? Absolutely not but it's pretty great comparatively! Your incessant whining and empty threats of leaving is offensive and tone deaf to people who have actual real problems like starvation, being sex trafficed, etc.

How's all that gun freedom taste? So.much.freedom. .

Lol....it only costs a 100 dead in Vegas and classrooms of kids their lives.

What is this?

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My in laws are Canadian and considering coming here and paying out of pocket because there is simply not access to certain kinds of tests in Canada. Not saying there is a perfect system, but pick your poison.

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Anonymous wrote:Op where are you thinking of going?

Singapore, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Germany, UK.....hell, it don't matter if you even have insurance. You can afford to pay out of pocket abroad because it is nowhere near as stupidly expensive as the US.

And it is not so stupidly expensive because the government said, wait, we're not paying for all this bs.

As opposed to Obamacare, which essentially said let's pay all kind of expensive bs for all!!!! Let's not do any thinking at all!!! Let's keep funding soda and junk food so our unhealthy citizens can become even less healthy!!!!

Other countries do not have the grotesquely stupid system the US has filled with layers and layers and layers of middle men with their hand in the cookie jar getting money before you get healthcare. Pharmacy benefit managers, group purchase organizations, insurance companies, hospitals......the list goes on and on and on of middle men jacking up prices for no reason so that in the end a hospital is charging you $200 for an aspirin pill or a syringe and the insurance says no and saddles the patient with the cost.

Exactly.

Obamacare was supposed to fix this but didn't even try.

It was just a joke. And a very expensive one.

ACA tried too hard to compromise with Republicans who wanted to keep $$$ for insurance companies.

I know that's the party line and you know that's BS.

ACA got zero gop support, so Obama could have done something else. Don't blame his incompetence on some falsehoods.

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Anonymous wrote:For all of you "strongley considering" leaving the US due to healthcare, "democracy dying," etc. please go. Renounce your citzenship and make room for people who want to be here. People are literally dying as they trek thousands of miles to the southern border because they are so desparate to live in the US. Is the US perfect? Absolutely not but it's pretty great comparatively! Your incessant whining and empty threats of leaving is offensive and tone deaf to people who have actual real problems like starvation, being sex trafficed, etc.

This.

They don't need to renounce citizenship btw. Just go and live elsewhere.

99% would be back within 6 months. The average American wouldn't survive a year in Europe much less Asia or Lat Am or Africa.

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Anonymous wrote:Op where are you thinking of going?

Singapore, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Germany, UK.....hell, it don't matter if you even have insurance. You can afford to pay out of pocket abroad because it is nowhere near as stupidly expensive as the US.

And it is not so stupidly expensive because the government said, wait, we're not paying for all this bs.

As opposed to Obamacare, which essentially said let's pay all kind of expensive bs for all!!!! Let's not do any thinking at all!!! Let's keep funding soda and junk food so our unhealthy citizens can become even less healthy!!!!

Other countries do not have the grotesquely stupid system the US has filled with layers and layers and layers of middle men with their hand in the cookie jar getting money before you get healthcare. Pharmacy benefit managers, group purchase organizations, insurance companies, hospitals......the list goes on and on and on of middle men jacking up prices for no reason so that in the end a hospital is charging you $200 for an aspirin pill or a syringe and the insurance says no and saddles the patient with the cost.

Exactly.

Obamacare was supposed to fix this but didn't even try.

It was just a joke. And a very expensive one.

ACA tried too hard to compromise with Republicans who wanted to keep $$$ for insurance companies.

I know that's the party line and you know that's BS.

ACA got zero gop support, so Obama could have done something else. Don't blame his incompetence on some falsehoods.

The ACA was a bipartisan compromise bill. Up until voting day when all the Rs turned around and voted No. If they hadn't signaled they would vote Yes up until that moment, the ACA would look very different today.

Why do you think the Grassley amendment is called the Grassley amendment? He's not a Democrat, fyi.

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Anonymous wrote:Op where are you thinking of going?

Singapore, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Germany, UK.....hell, it don't matter if you even have insurance. You can afford to pay out of pocket abroad because it is nowhere near as stupidly expensive as the US.

Have you looked at Canada's wait times? Plus, contrary to popular belief everything is not covered. Yes, you can go to the doctor or hospital and not get a horrendous bill. But you wait to get in, and a lot of peripheral care is not covered unless you have decent private insurance. There's a reason Canadians are willing to go to the U.S. for some things. I know a 20 year old woman who is having multiple seizures per week. She has an 8 - 10 week wait for an MRI. Your sleep study would not be covered, and you would wait.

People love to say this. Do you know people experiencing these so-called long wait times other than your Boomer friends who will complain about anything?

Fact: People over 55 love to complain about how everything is wrong with the world today. My parents love to complain about their health care in Canada. Like how they had to wait 8 months for each of my (obese) father's knee replacements. But the truth was that he lives in Florida for half the year, and still travels for work, so that was literally the only time it worked for his travel schedule. But they are boomers so they complained to everyone who would listen about how long the wait was. Had he just taken the first available appointment, it would have been no more than 3 months wait.

Fast forward a few years and dad finally takes his shortness of breath seriously and gets the doctor to do all the heart tests. Three weeks to an angiogram, and then 3.5 weeks from then until quadruple bypass surgery. He was in the moderate risk pool; had he been higher risk he would have been in surgery within the week.

In short, in my experience the only people complaining about wait times in Canada are old people who complain about anything; just like the maga old people in the US who want government to get out of their medicare.

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Anonymous wrote:I have amazing healthcare here and I want as few other people to have it as possible so they aren't competing for services and I can get seen quickly and efficiently. The last thing I need is to move to Europe where I have to wait for six months while the doctor takes a look at janitors and taxi drivers before me.

In many European countries you can’t just make an appointment with a doctor. You have to meet with a nurse who will then decide if you are able to see a doctor. If the situation is urgent you can see a private doctor at your own cost. Which a lot of people do nowadays. They even have loans you can apply for at the private clinic.

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Anonymous wrote:Op where are you thinking of going?

Singapore, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Germany, UK.....hell, it don't matter if you even have insurance. You can afford to pay out of pocket abroad because it is nowhere near as stupidly expensive as the US.

And it is not so stupidly expensive because the government said, wait, we're not paying for all this bs.

As opposed to Obamacare, which essentially said let's pay all kind of expensive bs for all!!!! Let's not do any thinking at all!!! Let's keep funding soda and junk food so our unhealthy citizens can become even less healthy!!!!

Other countries do not have the grotesquely stupid system the US has filled with layers and layers and layers of middle men with their hand in the cookie jar getting money before you get healthcare. Pharmacy benefit managers, group purchase organizations, insurance companies, hospitals......the list goes on and on and on of middle men jacking up prices for no reason so that in the end a hospital is charging you $200 for an aspirin pill or a syringe and the insurance says no and saddles the patient with the cost.

Exactly.

Obamacare was supposed to fix this but didn't even try.

It was just a joke. And a very expensive one.

ACA tried too hard to compromise with Republicans who wanted to keep $$$ for insurance companies.

I know that's the party line and you know that's BS.

ACA got zero gop support, so Obama could have done something else. Don't blame his incompetence on some falsehoods.

The ACA was a bipartisan compromise bill. Up until voting day when all the Rs turned around and voted No. If they hadn't signaled they would vote Yes up until that moment, the ACA would look very different today.

Why do you think the Grassley amendment is called the Grassley amendment? He's not a Democrat, fyi.

Ah, you're saying the Obama WH was so clueless that they truly thought they had substantial gop support until....surprise surprise...ooooops!

Come on. This was clear for months.

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Anonymous wrote:You should move to Canada. So much better where people are dying while in waiting rooms in ER, due to insanely long wait times.

Source?

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Anonymous wrote:For all of you "strongley considering" leaving the US due to healthcare, "democracy dying," etc. please go. Renounce your citzenship and make room for people who want to be here. People are literally dying as they trek thousands of miles to the southern border because they are so desparate to live in the US. Is the US perfect? Absolutely not but it's pretty great comparatively! Your incessant whining and empty threats of leaving is offensive and tone deaf to people who have actual real problems like starvation, being sex trafficed, etc.

This.

They don't need to renounce citizenship btw. Just go and live elsewhere.

99% would be back within 6 months. The average American wouldn't survive a year in Europe much less Asia or Lat Am or Africa.

"The average American wouldn't survive a year in Europe"
Why?

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Anonymous wrote:You should move to Canada. So much better where people are dying while in waiting rooms in ER, due to insanely long wait times.

Source?

NP.

“A chronically-ill woman who featured in a controversial commercial about euthanasia in Canada had complained months earlier that she wanted to live but couldn't access healthcare.

Jennyfer Hatch, 37, was the subject of a campaign by Canadian fashion giant La Maison Simons which documented her experience with end-of-life care before her death in October.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11508581/amp/Woman-featured-commercial-euthanasia-Canada-wanted-live-access-care.html

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Go ahead and move to Canada, or Europe....enjoy your months-long wait to see your doctor for a max of 15 mins.

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Anonymous wrote:Op where are you thinking of going?

Singapore, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Germany, UK.....hell, it don't matter if you even have insurance. You can afford to pay out of pocket abroad because it is nowhere near as stupidly expensive as the US.

Have you looked at Canada's wait times? Plus, contrary to popular belief everything is not covered. Yes, you can go to the doctor or hospital and not get a horrendous bill. But you wait to get in, and a lot of peripheral care is not covered unless you have decent private insurance. There's a reason Canadians are willing to go to the U.S. for some things. I know a 20 year old woman who is having multiple seizures per week. She has an 8 - 10 week wait for an MRI. Your sleep study would not be covered, and you would wait.

People love to say this. Do you know people experiencing these so-called long wait times other than your Boomer friends who will complain about anything?

Fact: People over 55 love to complain about how everything is wrong with the world today. My parents love to complain about their health care in Canada. Like how they had to wait 8 months for each of my (obese) father's knee replacements. But the truth was that he lives in Florida for half the year, and still travels for work, so that was literally the only time it worked for his travel schedule. But they are boomers so they complained to everyone who would listen about how long the wait was. Had he just taken the first available appointment, it would have been no more than 3 months wait.

Fast forward a few years and dad finally takes his shortness of breath seriously and gets the doctor to do all the heart tests. Three weeks to an angiogram, and then 3.5 weeks from then until quadruple bypass surgery. He was in the moderate risk pool; had he been higher risk he would have been in surgery within the week.

In short, in my experience the only people complaining about wait times in Canada are old people who complain about anything; just like the maga old people in the US who want government to get out of their medicare.

Yes, friend's 18 yo son needed an MRI for his knee from an acute injury. Wait time was over 8 weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:There are very few countries that can provide the standard of care that most Americans are used to receiving.

And what countries do you think those are?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so angry right now. PCP sent a referral to do a sleep study. I lineup the sleep study with the health group/facility. Still no word if my insurance is covering anything. I try calling their office number on their website, and it routes you through an automated system where I get an operator on the line who tells me she can't determine if my insurance will pay and to call the office number. The number she gives me is the same exact number online that I called in in the first place. And around and around and around I go with no answer.

Ok, screw that. I try calling up my insurance company directly to see if pre-authorization is required....sit on the phone for hours and am still waiting.

I am just so sick of this trash. I am seriously consider leaving soon so I never have to deal with trash US healthcare anymore. I can't wait to be told soon that no, the sleep study won't be covered anyway even though the doctor ordered it. Why the F is it so goddamn hard to get HC in the US, and why do oatients have to waste hours getting answers or thrown into circular loops over and over again with no answers until it breaks your will to pursue? I can't imagine how terrible this would be if I had a more serious illness and were too weak to deal with all of this stupid nonsense.

I went to Thailand once with my in-laws. My sister in-law fell and broke her arm. She was in and out of the hospital after getting x-rays, a cast, and meds in no time. Total cost was $300 with no insurance. I just want to gouge my eyes out just trying to figure out if I can even get a GD sleep study paid for by insurance.

The naive American who was born yesterday thinks Thailand has better healthcare than the US.

Sure. Go and enjoy!!

They have EXCELLENT health care. Prior to the pandemic, I was flying yearly to Bangkok to do a complete health review, blood, stress, cardiac tests and more.

Total cost $700 and sent electronically to my doctor.

The same procedures at Sloan Kettering would cost 10’s of thousands.

I went to Tijuana for dental work as well as weight loss and plastic surgery.

Don’t be so ignorant of excellent cost effective medical care outside the USA!

My insurance covers those procedures. What type of insurance do you have?

I don’t use insurance. I pay cash for those services.

I only have catastrophic high deductible insurance and a prescription drug plan. I pay out of pocket for most regular doctor visits at a self pay cash rate.

I know what a strange concept. Paying for your own health care and only using insurance for a catastrophe!

How fortunate for you that you don't have a chronic illness. through no fault of your own. My sons aren't so fortunate. They developed Crohn's disease as children and their medication alone costs $12,000 every 4 to 6 weeks, each. But, sure, please share your "wisdom."