LGBTQ+ and Catholicism

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.

You do realize that was over a decade after your peak fertility right? I'm going to assume there was a long period of hormonal birth control in there as well. Despite all of the sex "education" out there, the basics of reproduction continue to mystify people.

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.

You do realize that was over a decade after your peak fertility right? I'm going to assume there was a long period of hormonal birth control in there as well. Despite all of the sex "education" out there, the basics of reproduction continue to mystify people.

Well you assume wrong. You know what they say about people who assume.

And are you saying women should have babies at age 19 before they are married?

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

So you support the Catholic Church calling infertility disordered?

I don’t know anybody that blames god for infertility.

Disordered” is a philosophical term meaning not in accord with the normal, expected order of things. Infertility from a medical standpoint can be related to any number of medical disorders. No one in the Church has ever suggested that infertility is a moral disorder, or that infertile persons are disordered.

Great!

Then LGBT are disordered but not a moral disorder.

The specific teaching is that homosexual orientation itself is disordered (in the sense that it is inconsistent with what the Church sees as the dual, inseparable, purposes of sexual activity — spousal love and possible procreation), but it is only homosexual acts that would be deemed morally disordered.

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.

You do realize that was over a decade after your peak fertility right? I'm going to assume there was a long period of hormonal birth control in there as well. Despite all of the sex "education" out there, the basics of reproduction continue to mystify people.

Well you assume wrong. You know what they say about people who assume.

And are you saying women should have babies at age 19 before they are married?

Were you commanded to go forth and? A. Attend college B. Work your way up the corporate ladder C. Multiply

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

What in literal hell are you talking about?

Religious people are so desperate to not find out they are following a religion that is partially rooted in evil. They are so desperate to believe this that they will tie themselves up in crazy knots, just to defend it.

Seriously this person has no idea how crazy they sound.

Yes this. You said it in a different way, but it's the same take.

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.

You do realize that was over a decade after your peak fertility right? I'm going to assume there was a long period of hormonal birth control in there as well. Despite all of the sex "education" out there, the basics of reproduction continue to mystify people.

Well you assume wrong. You know what they say about people who assume.

And are you saying women should have babies at age 19 before they are married?

yes she is or saying they should marry earlier. It doesn't matter what they should do as long as the outcome matches her belief. If it doesn't, it's thought and prayers. Don't engage. It's not worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.

You do realize that was over a decade after your peak fertility right? I'm going to assume there was a long period of hormonal birth control in there as well. Despite all of the sex "education" out there, the basics of reproduction continue to mystify people.

Well you assume wrong. You know what they say about people who assume.

And are you saying women should have babies at age 19 before they are married?

Were you commanded to go forth and? A. Attend college B. Work your way up the corporate ladder C. Multiply

That’s why I was a math major! Seriously- you think everyone should have kids? What are people who can’t have kids to do?

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.

You do realize that was over a decade after your peak fertility right? I'm going to assume there was a long period of hormonal birth control in there as well. Despite all of the sex "education" out there, the basics of reproduction continue to mystify people.

Well you assume wrong. You know what they say about people who assume.

And are you saying women should have babies at age 19 before they are married?

Were you commanded to go forth and? A. Attend college B. Work your way up the corporate ladder C. Multiply

Jesus actually said getting married is for the weak and immoral. Yes, singleness is better than marriage, But because of the temptation to sexual immorality the 2nd best option is marriage. Corinthians 7

So then he who marries his betrothed does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

Because the faith offers other helpful things.
And sometimes (most of the time) acting on your natural desires IS sinful. Sexual fantasies should stay in the head.

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.

You do realize that was over a decade after your peak fertility right? I'm going to assume there was a long period of hormonal birth control in there as well. Despite all of the sex "education" out there, the basics of reproduction continue to mystify people.

Well you assume wrong. You know what they say about people who assume.

And are you saying women should have babies at age 19 before they are married?

Were you commanded to go forth and? A. Attend college B. Work your way up the corporate ladder C. Multiply

Jesus actually said getting married is for the weak and immoral. Yes, singleness is better than marriage, But because of the temptation to sexual immorality the 2nd best option is marriage. Corinthians 7

So then he who marries his betrothed does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better.

I'm imposing a penance for this post. Read a Gospel (Mark is shortest and most accessible), Acts and then re-read 1st Corinthians. This will introduce you to Jesus, Paul and many of the other names you should know.

Tying it back to the topic at hand, this aversion to marriage is what has allowed the Lavender Mafia to take over the Catholic Church. I don't see a path back to sanity without married priests.

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.

You do realize that was over a decade after your peak fertility right? I'm going to assume there was a long period of hormonal birth control in there as well. Despite all of the sex "education" out there, the basics of reproduction continue to mystify people.

Well you assume wrong. You know what they say about people who assume.

And are you saying women should have babies at age 19 before they are married?

No, they said that peak fertility is around age 19 (some say 16).

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.

If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?

You can see what fruit they bear.

The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?

What is the fruit of an infertile couple?

Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.

People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.

Which is cray, cray.

Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.

FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.

You do realize that was over a decade after your peak fertility right? I'm going to assume there was a long period of hormonal birth control in there as well. Despite all of the sex "education" out there, the basics of reproduction continue to mystify people.

Well you assume wrong. You know what they say about people who assume.

And are you saying women should have babies at age 19 before they are married?

Were you commanded to go forth and? A. Attend college B. Work your way up the corporate ladder C. Multiply

Jesus actually said getting married is for the weak and immoral. Yes, singleness is better than marriage, But because of the temptation to sexual immorality the 2nd best option is marriage. Corinthians 7

So then he who marries his betrothed does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better.

I'm imposing a penance for this post. Read a Gospel (Mark is shortest and most accessible), Acts and then re-read 1st Corinthians. This will introduce you to Jesus, Paul and many of the other names you should know.

Tying it back to the topic at hand, this aversion to marriage is what has allowed the Lavender Mafia to take over the Catholic Church. I don't see a path back to sanity without married priests.

I’ve read them all, 14 years of formal education.

Jesus literally said marriage is for those who can’t not fall to sexual immorality. Sorry but when you learn the truth of the scriptures it requires self reflection. That’s actually gods intention not following men like sheep . Follow Jesus’s words. Reflect.

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Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?

Because the faith offers other helpful things.
And sometimes (most of the time) acting on your natural desires IS sinful. Sexual fantasies should stay in the head.

There are other groups that offer the same belief in Jesus Christ who don’t also tell you that your very nature is immoral.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a way to find a LGBT friendly Catholic Church.

https://www.newwaysministry.org/resources/parishes/

Here is a book by a Jesuit on the subject.

https://www.amazon.com/Building-Bridge-Relationship-Compassion-Sensitivity/dp/0062837532/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=Father+James+Martin&qid=1674044529&s=books&sr=1-1


It’s really just time when Catholics realize how unholy it is to shun any group.

Hmmm. Yes. That’s how theology and religion should work. Abandon your doctrine in the name of social pressure.

Well then it’s a good thing Jesus never spoke about lgbt (or abortion).

Jesus said we should be celibate outside of marriage, and marriage in his Jewish faith was between a man and woman.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biden and Pelosi are devout Catholics, and praised for the faithful and sincere commitment to their religion.

Why are regular Joe Schmo Catholics attacked as bigots and homophobes, but not Biden and Pelosi not?

Because they understand and live Separation of church and state, they admit the church is wrong on some things.