Enough already

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The teacher sounds like a total loser, leaving the kids mid year.

LOL, and this is why teachers are leaving.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

And yet I was able to leave the classroom without consequence, so please enlighten me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People quit jobs all the time and everyone survives. Teachers should be allowed to quit like everyone else.

Teachers and some other jobs are different. Just because you prefer to deny it doesn't mean it isn't so.

They need to get paid a LOT more if they’re not allowed to quit mid-year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

And yet I was able to leave the classroom without consequence, so please enlighten me.

Are you still working for FCPS or simply in Fairfax County proper?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

And yet I was able to leave the classroom without consequence, so please enlighten me.

Are you still working for FCPS or simply in Fairfax County proper?

FCPS- quit and then applied and got another with FCPS job outside the classroom. They are desperate for staffing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

And yet I was able to leave the classroom without consequence, so please enlighten me.

Are you still working for FCPS or simply in Fairfax County proper?

FCPS- quit and then applied and got another with FCPS job outside the classroom. They are desperate for staffing.

Okay, stay with me: You completed an HR2 to resign from a classroom teaching position, yes or no? What was your reason? Then you applied again and are now working in a different school, but not as a classroom teacher? Or are you now located in central office? Also—higher, lower or same pay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

No, OP is not doing anything wrong by saying that her DC is being hurt by the decision of a teacher to quit midyear. The teacher has made her decision, for whatever good or bad reason, and there are consequences. Is that teacher reading this board, will that teacher be hurt by this post? Probably not. If so, so be it.

+1 As we model resilience for our kids, we should not be denying the negative impact of events in their lives. Gaslighting parents by telling them it's wrong to be concerned that their kids aren't receiving the instruction they deserve serves no purpose. It is appropriate for parents to make administrators aware of their concerns about not having consistent instruction. In addition, parents can brainstorm with their kids about how to cope with the departure and, if possible, discuss supplementing the subject matter outside of school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

And yet I was able to leave the classroom without consequence, so please enlighten me.

Are you still working for FCPS or simply in Fairfax County proper?

FCPS- quit and then applied and got another with FCPS job outside the classroom. They are desperate for staffing.

Okay, stay with me: You completed an HR2 to resign from a classroom teaching position, yes or no? What was your reason? Then you applied again and are now working in a different school, but not as a classroom teacher? Or are you now located in central office? Also—higher, lower or same pay?

I am not giving all those details. I’m not sure who from my old and/or new job is on this board, but HR approved my resignation and then subsequent re-hire.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

And yet I was able to leave the classroom without consequence, so please enlighten me.

Are you still working for FCPS or simply in Fairfax County proper?

FCPS- quit and then applied and got another with FCPS job outside the classroom. They are desperate for staffing.

Okay, stay with me: You completed an HR2 to resign from a classroom teaching position, yes or no? What was your reason? Then you applied again and are now working in a different school, but not as a classroom teacher? Or are you now located in central office? Also—higher, lower or same pay?

I am not giving all those details. I’m not sure who from my old and/or new job is on this board, but HR approved my resignation and then subsequent re-hire.

So you can’t say whether or not you’re now in a school-based position? Come on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

And yet I was able to leave the classroom without consequence, so please enlighten me.

Are you still working for FCPS or simply in Fairfax County proper?

FCPS- quit and then applied and got another with FCPS job outside the classroom. They are desperate for staffing.

I believe that. You could probably go back in the classroom after quitting midyear. Since schools are so desperate. But that doesn't excuse the impact of your action on your former students, former colleagues, former school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

And yet I was able to leave the classroom without consequence, so please enlighten me.

Are you still working for FCPS or simply in Fairfax County proper?

FCPS- quit and then applied and got another with FCPS job outside the classroom. They are desperate for staffing.

Yes, FCPS is desperate to hire and currently hiring any warm body at this point. It is really frightening and depressing to see the re-hires and new hires, the re-hires in particular.

Okay, stay with me: You completed an HR2 to resign from a classroom teaching position, yes or no? What was your reason? Then you applied again and are now working in a different school, but not as a classroom teacher? Or are you now located in central office? Also—higher, lower or same pay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The very worst that could happen is a) the teacher is blacklisted from teaching in a particular state or b) the teacher could be contractually obligated to pay a fine for breaking her contract.

But here's the thing: a) do you know anything at all about the state and record keeping? If you do, then you know that it's pretty impossible for the state to keep track of which teachers are quitting. Most teachers are leaving the field entirely. In which case, then even a state wide list (which will never happen because the state wide leadership is incompetent) won't matter. In some catholic schools, teachers who break their contract are required to pay a fine. A hefty one at 2K. But heck, if I wanted to leave teaching, I'd be like, "fine, I'll send you $20 a month until it's paid off". Seriously, what are they going to do besides take my last paycheck?

In the end, parents really have next to no control over individual teachers quitting. Hell, even districts don't really have that power. If I think 3 things have to happen to get teachers to stay, and they all need to happen at once and quickly:
1) pay raise. Big pay raise
2) more prep time. Cut out the stupid meetings
3) more support for students who are ruining the classroom environment. This could mean 1:1 aides, a fast track towards putting some kids in a self contained sped room, more social workers and psychs, more sped teachers, more help in general for kids who aren't succeeding in the regular ed room.

But all of us teachers know these are never going to happen. I'm really glad my kids have graduated from high school and I hope that if my own grandchildren need it, I can homeschool them or afford to send them to private. 30 years in public ed has been the end of me.

The worst has already been posted on this thread - students lose out the rest of the year. They don't learn the subject, or anything positive.[/quote

No, that is not the worst thing that could happen. How many teachers have considered suicide? I know several. Things must change or teachers must leave.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

You are using a lot of words that don't mean what you think they do.

And yet I was able to leave the classroom without consequence, so please enlighten me.

Are you still working for FCPS or simply in Fairfax County proper?

FCPS- quit and then applied and got another with FCPS job outside the classroom. They are desperate for staffing.

Okay, stay with me: You completed an HR2 to resign from a classroom teaching position, yes or no? What was your reason? Then you applied again and are now working in a different school, but not as a classroom teacher? Or are you now located in central office? Also—higher, lower or same pay?

I am not giving all those details. I’m not sure who from my old and/or new job is on this board, but HR approved my resignation and then subsequent re-hire.

So you can’t say whether or not you’re now in a school-based position? Come on.

Ok, I’m not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Maybe she found her brain and moved out of state to a blue one.