Enough already

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM 2020: "Just put any warm and able bodied adult in the classroom to get kids in school!"

monkey paw curls

Yup I also remember "if you don't like teaching just leave".

Yeah the ones who said "so quit" aren't so smug when that happens.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

No one cares about “your book” or what you think should or shouldn’t “be allowed.” Get so very much over yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People quit jobs all the time and everyone survives. Teachers should be allowed to quit like everyone else.

Teachers and some other jobs are different. Just because you prefer to deny it doesn't mean it isn't so.

They’re not different. Just because you prefer to deny it doesn’t make it so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People quit jobs all the time and everyone survives. Teachers should be allowed to quit like everyone else.

Teachers and some other jobs are different. Just because you prefer to deny it doesn't mean it isn't so.

Really? Please cite the laws and regulations you are drawing your superior knowledge from.

For one thing, it's written into the contract...

You are impressively wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amen demand answers or claw back their pay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They’re under contract and should be expected to fulfill their responsibilities. It’s not an at-will job.

They’re not in the military. They can quit any time they like if they don’t want to work in that district again.

Cope harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Maybe parents like you and their kids should have treated her better. It's a job. She has no obligation to stay through the school year and she doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why.

She has an obligation. If she chooses to break her contract, no, she doesn't need to give an explanation. But if she had a good explanation, she would have given it.

She had NO OBLIGATION and she owes no one an explanation. You entitled parents are pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So once the teachers got vaccinated and schools finally opened, how come not every single teacher went back in person? Explain that.

Who cares at this point?? It doesn't matter anymore. Get over yourself and move the F on.

It does. It shows how little teachers actually care about the students. Just like teachers quitting mid year. Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to teachers.

Well if you think we don't care then don't whine when we quit. Good riddance right?!

Right? What's with the whining?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Maybe parents like you and their kids should have treated her better. It's a job. She has no obligation to stay through the school year and she doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why.

She has an obligation. If she chooses to break her contract, no, she doesn't need to give an explanation. But if she had a good explanation, she would have given it.

She didn't have to explain anything if she didn't want to do so.

If she left for a health-related reason, she is not required to disclose that. She doesn't even have to say something general such as "I am resigning due to a personal health need."

If she left because her mental health is at risk, she doesn't have to explain that.

If she left because she is getting married and her spouse is out-of-state, she doesn't have to explain that.

A teacher's personal business is just that-- PERSONAL business.

I don’t get responses like this. No she is not REQUIRED to explain anything. But as a member of society, when I do something that has meaningfully negative consequences for someone (like not having a real teacher for an important subject), I like to explain a little. Even a generic “leaving for health reasons” is sufficient. The only exception is if she is leaving because of poor interactions with parents and students, in which case she doesn’t have to explain.

That’s nice. Irrelevant, but nice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

It is 2022. Grow up, stop perseverating and playing the victim and moooooove ooooooonnnn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

It is 2022. Grow up, stop perseverating and playing the victim and moooooove ooooooonnnn.

Oops, it’s 2023. Even better!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Maybe parents like you and their kids should have treated her better. It's a job. She has no obligation to stay through the school year and she doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why.

She has an obligation. If she chooses to break her contract, no, she doesn't need to give an explanation. But if she had a good explanation, she would have given it.

She had NO OBLIGATION and she owes no one an explanation. You entitled parents are pathetic.

All of your attacks on parents in defense of a teacher who quit midyear are hindering, not helping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

Stop lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Maybe parents like you and their kids should have treated her better. It's a job. She has no obligation to stay through the school year and she doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why.

She has an obligation. If she chooses to break her contract, no, she doesn't need to give an explanation. But if she had a good explanation, she would have given it.

She had NO OBLIGATION and she owes no one an explanation. You entitled parents are pathetic.

All of your attacks on parents in defense of a teacher who quit midyear are hindering, not helping.

Nope. PP is spot on. Entitled parents are why teachers quit. It’s been almost THREE years of this whining. Grow TF up and move on.

- parent disgusted by other parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So once the teachers got vaccinated and schools finally opened, how come not every single teacher went back in person? Explain that.

Who cares at this point?? It doesn't matter anymore. Get over yourself and move the F on.

It does. It shows how little teachers actually care about the students. Just like teachers quitting mid year. Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to teachers.

Your perseveration is unhealthy. Seek professional help.