Enough already

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Your word choice is appalling and sheds a light on your incredible sense of entitlement.

What does the teacher's age have to do with anything, and how is it your business what she chooses to do with her life? Questioning her living arrangement, especially saying "Mommy and Daddy's house," is disgusting. You are a piece of work, OP.

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Very condescending.

Agree. Something tells me OP was one of "those parents" who probably made the teacher's decision a lot easier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Maybe parents like you and their kids should have treated her better. It's a job. She has no obligation to stay through the school year and she doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why.

She has an obligation. If she chooses to break her contract, no, she doesn't need to give an explanation. But if she had a good explanation, she would have given it.

She didn't have to explain anything if she didn't want to do so.

If she left for a health-related reason, she is not required to disclose that. She doesn't even have to say something general such as "I am resigning due to a personal health need."

If she left because her mental health is at risk, she doesn't have to explain that.

If she left because she is getting married and her spouse is out-of-state, she doesn't have to explain that.

A teacher's personal business is just that-- PERSONAL business.

I don’t get responses like this. No she is not REQUIRED to explain anything. But as a member of society, when I do something that has meaningfully negative consequences for someone (like not having a real teacher for an important subject), I like to explain a little. Even a generic “leaving for health reasons” is sufficient. The only exception is if she is leaving because of poor interactions with parents and students, in which case she doesn’t have to explain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Maybe parents like you and their kids should have treated her better. It's a job. She has no obligation to stay through the school year and she doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why.

She has an obligation. If she chooses to break her contract, no, she doesn't need to give an explanation. But if she had a good explanation, she would have given it.

She didn't have to explain anything if she didn't want to do so.

If she left for a health-related reason, she is not required to disclose that. She doesn't even have to say something general such as "I am resigning due to a personal health need."

If she left because her mental health is at risk, she doesn't have to explain that.

If she left because she is getting married and her spouse is out-of-state, she doesn't have to explain that.

A teacher's personal business is just that-- PERSONAL business.

I don’t get responses like this. No she is not REQUIRED to explain anything. But as a member of society, when I do something that has meaningfully negative consequences for someone (like not having a real teacher for an important subject), I like to explain a little. Even a generic “leaving for health reasons” is sufficient. The only exception is if she is leaving because of poor interactions with parents and students, in which case she doesn’t have to explain.

The teacher does not need to tell parents why she is leaving…if she choose to she can disclose it to the principal but definitely not the parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Maybe parents like you and their kids should have treated her better. It's a job. She has no obligation to stay through the school year and she doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why.

She has an obligation. If she chooses to break her contract, no, she doesn't need to give an explanation. But if she had a good explanation, she would have given it.

She didn't have to explain anything if she didn't want to do so.

If she left for a health-related reason, she is not required to disclose that. She doesn't even have to say something general such as "I am resigning due to a personal health need."

If she left because her mental health is at risk, she doesn't have to explain that.

If she left because she is getting married and her spouse is out-of-state, she doesn't have to explain that.

A teacher's personal business is just that-- PERSONAL business.

I don’t get responses like this. No she is not REQUIRED to explain anything. But as a member of society, when I do something that has meaningfully negative consequences for someone (like not having a real teacher for an important subject), I like to explain a little. Even a generic “leaving for health reasons” is sufficient. The only exception is if she is leaving because of poor interactions with parents and students, in which case she doesn’t have to explain.

The teacher does not need to tell parents why she is leaving…if she choose to she can disclose it to the principal but definitely not the parents.

No, the teacher doesn't have to tell her students anything when she breaks her contract. She has probably spent too much time online where people are not members of society, have no impact on other people, and have no obligations at all, whether contractual, moral, or otherwise.

[Anonymous]

The teacher sounds like a total loser, leaving the kids mid year.

[Anonymous]

My SIL is an ES teacher in Long Island, NY, making $140k/year (25 years experience) and they see very little turnover.

Not saying there’s cause and effect, but…

[Anonymous]

You have NO idea why she left, despite any reason you may have been given. My daughter left mid-year several years ago. She was fighting a life threatening illness. The world does not revolve around your snowflake.

[Anonymous]

But what about HER needs?

I mean, to her shouldn’t she come first?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have NO idea why she left, despite any reason you may have been given. My daughter left mid-year several years ago. She was fighting a life threatening illness. The world does not revolve around your snowflake.

Kids have heard that message loud and clear, during the pandemic and before that. They know. They know how they are valued and how powerless they are. And then we blame them for being anxiety filled basket cases...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

were you one of those people claiming teachers were lazy and needed to get back to work during Covid? And did you vote for Youngkin and his awful tip line?

i don't blame teachers for leaving in this climate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

and we wonder why they are leaving with attacks like this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

I got my second vaccination the week after we returned. Not sure what you’re talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

Maybe parents like you and their kids should have treated her better. It's a job. She has no obligation to stay through the school year and she doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why.

You have no idea how parents treated this teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DS high school biology teacher isn’t coming back, she was young and I’m not sure why she is going to do with her life now, or she going to go back to mommy and daddy house, but a teacher shouldn’t be allowed to quit halfway though the year. Student loved and her, and to one paragraph email saying you’re quitting isn’t okay in my book.

VA is a right-to-work state. I quit teaching a month ago and moved into another job with the county. Staying in the classroom all year would have caused me unnecessary stress and I definitely would have taken it out on the kids. It was the right choice for everyone involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

And those same posters told teachers to quit if they could do the job!