Lindsey Graham to introduce federal abortion ban

[Anonymous]

House Republicans won’t simply stand by and let the Senate Republicans lose the midterms, they’re going to throw themselves headlong into this abyss, too:

[Anonymous]

I honestly think this bill is Lindsey Graham’s soul screaming to get out of the mess it’s gotten itself into. If I may cite an X-Files episode (Republicans, stop reading now. You have proven that you guys can’t follow an analogy and you’ll say something like “real life isn’t X-Files” I KNOW): in the Episode “Space” (first season, ninth episode) a space launch was sabotaged by an astronaut possessed by an alien, an astronaut who was also trying to get word out about the dangers that the astronauts face because of the sabotage.

Anyway, this idiocy of absolutely tipping their fascist hands weeks ahead of the election feels like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Surprising.

Usually Lindsay has a knack for feeling political winds. It appears he's very much going against the wind here.

I don't see that this proposition advances anyone's positions on abortion.

I dunno. This feels like virtue signaling to me. Kind of like the effort to get rid of the ACA.

Proposing something the majority DOES NOT want, and attempting to get rid of healthcare people DO want...


...is virtue signaling?


You might want to explain that. Republican leadership had to find out the hard way that its base actually LIKES affordable healthcare. You'll notice it's not part of their platforms any more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And here it is. They’re going to lean into the abortion ban ahead of the midterms. The lesson of Trump: always double down.

This is a gimmick. Republicans have realized that the majority of Americans are opposed to total abortion bans and the Republicans want to paint themselves as the rational ones here by banning them after 15 weeks- and they will then make outlandish claims that all democrats want people to get abortions on demand up until the moment of delivery.

Republicans: let's introduce legislation that has broad popular support
Democrats: that's a gimmick!

I am the PP you are responding to and I am not a Democrat. I am a former R but not a Democrat. I would never personally get an elective abortion and am not particularly fond of the idea of people doing so but don't think legislators should be the ones makes these decisions. I don't care how popular the legislation I- not everything should be subject to popularity contests.

Republicans have completely lost me with this nonsense and gaslighting about late term abortions. Anyone who is getting an abortion past 15 weeks is doing so for reasons that are absolutely none of my business and are likely incredibly hard to deal with.

During the US Civil war one man wanted to remain neutral and wore a gray tunic and blue trousers. Northern soldiers only saw gray tunic and southern soldiers only saw blue trousers. He was riddled with bullets from both sides. He got what he deserved for being a fence strattler.

If you aren't part of the solution then you're still part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you guys can't see that insisting on a federal, abortion at any stage and for any reason approach is just as extreme, you are part of the problem.

What’s a “federal abortion”? Also how are you so pig ignorant on this subject still?

Hey hey.

Pigs are very intelligent animals.

Please don't make offensive comparisons.

[Anonymous]

This is why Republican women need to remember that voting is private. You can say anything about anything to your spouse, but you go into the voting booth alone. You can vote blue in private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here it is. They’re going to lean into the abortion ban ahead of the midterms. The lesson of Trump: always double down.

This is a gimmick. Republicans have realized that the majority of Americans are opposed to total abortion bans and the Republicans want to paint themselves as the rational ones here by banning them after 15 weeks- and they will then make outlandish claims that all democrats want people to get abortions on demand up until the moment of delivery.

Republicans: let's introduce legislation that has broad popular support
Democrats: that's a gimmick!

I am the PP you are responding to and I am not a Democrat. I am a former R but not a Democrat. I would never personally get an elective abortion and am not particularly fond of the idea of people doing so but don't think legislators should be the ones makes these decisions. I don't care how popular the legislation I- not everything should be subject to popularity contests.

Republicans have completely lost me with this nonsense and gaslighting about late term abortions. Anyone who is getting an abortion past 15 weeks is doing so for reasons that are absolutely none of my business and are likely incredibly hard to deal with.

PP here, I've been a Republican since the second half of college. I don't agree with everything the Republican party has done, but it represents my viewpoints the best so I've stuck with the party. There is undeniably a compelling state interest in protecting human life, including those that are unborn. The difficulty has been in establishing the standard for that interest, not that if such an interest exists at all. Whether we like it or not, everything is up for a popularity contest - even the issues where there is no explicit contest, means there is lack of popular desire to change the issue from the current state of lack of regulation.

Regarding late term abortions, this is not gaslighting at all - it's the mainstream position of the Democrats to protect such a right. They even passed it in the House: Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA). Go read it, as long as the pregnancy is determined as a risk to the mother's health - a standard which is not defined in the act and is therefore wide open - abortion can be performed at any time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here it is. They’re going to lean into the abortion ban ahead of the midterms. The lesson of Trump: always double down.

This is a gimmick. Republicans have realized that the majority of Americans are opposed to total abortion bans and the Republicans want to paint themselves as the rational ones here by banning them after 15 weeks- and they will then make outlandish claims that all democrats want people to get abortions on demand up until the moment of delivery.

A gimmick that will hopefully backfire. However, I am shooting this article to all my kids and young voters in my family. The voting population should take it at face value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here it is. They’re going to lean into the abortion ban ahead of the midterms. The lesson of Trump: always double down.

This is a gimmick. Republicans have realized that the majority of Americans are opposed to total abortion bans and the Republicans want to paint themselves as the rational ones here by banning them after 15 weeks- and they will then make outlandish claims that all democrats want people to get abortions on demand up until the moment of delivery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here it is. They’re going to lean into the abortion ban ahead of the midterms. The lesson of Trump: always double down.

This is a gimmick. Republicans have realized that the majority of Americans are opposed to total abortion bans and the Republicans want to paint themselves as the rational ones here by banning them after 15 weeks- and they will then make outlandish claims that all democrats want people to get abortions on demand up until the moment of delivery.

Republicans: let's introduce legislation that has broad popular support
Democrats: that's a gimmick!

I am the PP you are responding to and I am not a Democrat. I am a former R but not a Democrat. I would never personally get an elective abortion and am not particularly fond of the idea of people doing so but don't think legislators should be the ones makes these decisions. I don't care how popular the legislation I- not everything should be subject to popularity contests.

Republicans have completely lost me with this nonsense and gaslighting about late term abortions. Anyone who is getting an abortion past 15 weeks is doing so for reasons that are absolutely none of my business and are likely incredibly hard to deal with.

PP here, I've been a Republican since the second half of college. I don't agree with everything the Republican party has done, but it represents my viewpoints the best so I've stuck with the party. There is undeniably a compelling state interest in protecting human life, including those that are unborn. The difficulty has been in establishing the standard for that interest, not that if such an interest exists at all. Whether we like it or not, everything is up for a popularity contest - even the issues where there is no explicit contest, means there is lack of popular desire to change the issue from the current state of lack of regulation.

Regarding late term abortions, this is not gaslighting at all - it's the mainstream position of the Democrats to protect such a right. They even passed it in the House: Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA). Go read it, as long as the pregnancy is determined as a risk to the mother's health - a standard which is not defined in the act and is therefore wide open - abortion can be performed at any time.

Is there a compelling state interest to keep pregnant and postpartum women alive? Is there a compelling state interest to provide for the 4.3 million kids who don't have health insurance? Or the 400K kids currently in foster care?

Is there a compelling interest on an individual level to make health care choices that are private and are not subject to government interference? Is there a compelling interest on an individual level to want privacy and to resist government surveillance?

I think you can go a little bit deeper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

PP here, I've been a Republican since the second half of college. I don't agree with everything the Republican party has done, but it represents my viewpoints the best so I've stuck with the party. There is undeniably a compelling state interest in protecting human life, including those that are unborn. The difficulty has been in establishing the standard for that interest, not that if such an interest exists at all. Whether we like it or not, everything is up for a popularity contest - even the issues where there is no explicit contest, means there is lack of popular desire to change the issue from the current state of lack of regulation.

Regarding late term abortions, this is not gaslighting at all - it's the mainstream position of the Democrats to protect such a right. They even passed it in the House: Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA). Go read it, as long as the pregnancy is determined as a risk to the mother's health - a standard which is not defined in the act and is therefore wide open - abortion can be performed at any time.

Both the literal read of the Constitution and US tax code do not recognize the unborn. So you are creating an issue for the government to get between a patient and her doctor for your own moral beliefs; beliefs not widely held by others who are atheists or adhere to reglions that are not Evangelical or Catholic.

If you don't want an abortion, don't get one, but stop imposing your beliefs on to others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Regarding late term abortions, this is not gaslighting at all - it's the mainstream position of the Democrats to protect such a right. They even passed it in the House: Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA). Go read it, as long as the pregnancy is determined as a risk to the mother's health - a standard which is not defined in the act and is therefore wide open - abortion can be performed at any time.

Please cite a single example of a late term (ie third trimester) abortion that was elective with no mitigating circumstances.

Hint, you can't, it is a red herring established by the Evangelicals as a strawman talking point.

The reality is that when a pregnancy gets to a third term, the mother is thinking about names, prepping a nursury etc, No one carries a fetus to 6 months and then decides, eh, screw it, I didn't want the kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Surprising.

Usually Lindsay has a knack for feeling political winds. It appears he's very much going against the wind here.

I don't see that this proposition advances anyone's positions on abortion.

I dunno. This feels like virtue signaling to me. Kind of like the effort to get rid of the ACA.

Proposing something the majority DOES NOT want, and attempting to get rid of healthcare people DO want...


...is virtue signaling?


You might want to explain that. Republican leadership had to find out the hard way that its base actually LIKES affordable healthcare. You'll notice it's not part of their platforms any more.

Maybe Republicans should make universal healthcare/Medicare (or whatever you want to call it) their platform.

[Anonymous]

Typical GOP hypocrite I wonder how many pregnancies he’s responsible for in South Carolina.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Typical GOP hypocrite I wonder how many pregnancies he’s responsible for in South Carolina.

Lindsay Graham? Not many 😅