Oberlin and defamation suit interest

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

NP. Um, it doesn't require you to appeal. But, it gives you the RIGHT to appeal. So, the losing party has a right to appeal an unfavorable decision . . . aka, due process.

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Where did the administrator go who was involved?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where did the administrator go who was involved?

One example: Donica Thomas Varner, former University Counsel of Oberlin, who decided to fight the Gibson’s Bakery case, is now Cornell University Counsel. After loosing at Oberlin, she reinvented herself in a Title IX case that she, seemingly, will also loose: https://www.thecornellreview.org/vengalattore-wins-in-second-circuit/

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

NP. Um, it doesn't require you to appeal. But, it gives you the RIGHT to appeal. So, the losing party has a right to appeal an unfavorable decision . . . aka, due process.

+1 A lovely combination --a poster who casually uses an outdated medical term like "idiot" as an insult --which has long been considered offensive to people with intellectual disabilities--while also revealing they are missing the most basic point of an argument (i.e. permitted vs. required) that should be obvious to anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

X a million, all of this.

But, hey, this thread gives a certain segment the opportunity to express faux outrage and use the word "woke" today. So, I guess this is a good day for them.

It's not that complicated. The owner of the bakery called the cops on three shoplifters who happened to be black, and an Oberlin faculty member organized a student boycott that sunk a family business, defaming that business for being racist. Now they have to pay. There have to be consequences for reflexively slandering people. Now, Oberlin can claim that $36M is too much, but if you honestly believe that a company isn't responsible for its employees' actions while acting as employees, then I don't know what to say.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10999721/amp/Woke-Oberlin-College-hit-4m-dragging-heels-paying-36m-family-run-bakery.html

They have to pay 4 million in interest for not paying the 36 million suit. Tried to post in a previous thread but it was locked. Wondering if this hurts grads employment prospects? Conservatives seem to have gone from not even knowing the school to absolutely hating it.

OP: Thank you for posting this.

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Yawn. Social injustice warriors need something to get worked up about.

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Anonymous wrote:Go woke and go broke.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

X a million, all of this.

But, hey, this thread gives a certain segment the opportunity to express faux outrage and use the word "woke" today. So, I guess this is a good day for them.

It's not that complicated. The owner of the bakery called the cops on three shoplifters who happened to be black, and an Oberlin faculty member organized a student boycott that sunk a family business, defaming that business for being racist. Now they have to pay. There have to be consequences for reflexively slandering people. Now, Oberlin can claim that $36M is too much, but if you honestly believe that a company isn't responsible for its employees' actions while acting as employees, then I don't know what to say.

You're rehashing the alleged facts. Which has nothing to do with the post you're responding to (i.e., effect of the lawsuit on school and grads). Thus, proving my point about providing a place for faux outrage.

LBH, you don't REALLLLY care about the facts. But, just like trying to stick to a "woke" high academic school. We get it. Trust me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still haven’t seen any evidence this is hurting Oberlin in terms of applications, ranking, employment for graduates, etc.

Nor its endowment which surpassed 1 billion in 2021--very healthy for a small liberal arts college.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

X a million, all of this.

But, hey, this thread gives a certain segment the opportunity to express faux outrage and use the word "woke" today. So, I guess this is a good day for them.

It's not that complicated. The owner of the bakery called the cops on three shoplifters who happened to be black, and an Oberlin faculty member organized a student boycott that sunk a family business, defaming that business for being racist. Now they have to pay. There have to be consequences for reflexively slandering people. Now, Oberlin can claim that $36M is too much, but if you honestly believe that a company isn't responsible for its employees' actions while acting as employees, then I don't know what to say.

You're rehashing the alleged facts. Which has nothing to do with the post you're responding to (i.e., effect of the lawsuit on school and grads). Thus, proving my point about providing a place for faux outrage.

LBH, you don't REALLLLY care about the facts. But, just like trying to stick to a "woke" high academic school. We get it. Trust me.

DP. Adjudicated facts - not “alleged.” Be honest - this was execrable behavior and that the admin did not recognize that or refused to ignore it reveals a slavish desire to “virtue signal” rather than actually be virtuous.

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+1
This former prof’s opinion piece said it all:

https://www.commentary.org/articles/abraham-socher/o-oberlin-my-oberlin/

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

X a million, all of this.

But, hey, this thread gives a certain segment the opportunity to express faux outrage and use the word "woke" today. So, I guess this is a good day for them.

It's not that complicated. The owner of the bakery called the cops on three shoplifters who happened to be black, and an Oberlin faculty member organized a student boycott that sunk a family business, defaming that business for being racist. Now they have to pay. There have to be consequences for reflexively slandering people. Now, Oberlin can claim that $36M is too much, but if you honestly believe that a company isn't responsible for its employees' actions while acting as employees, then I don't know what to say.

You're rehashing the alleged facts. Which has nothing to do with the post you're responding to (i.e., effect of the lawsuit on school and grads). Thus, proving my point about providing a place for faux outrage.

LBH, you don't REALLLLY care about the facts. But, just like trying to stick to a "woke" high academic school. We get it. Trust me.

DP. Adjudicated facts - not “alleged.” Be honest - this was execrable behavior and that the admin did not recognize that or refused to ignore it reveals a slavish desire to “virtue signal” rather than actually be virtuous.

As if relying on tropes like "virtue signal" isn't bad enough you go and use "slavish" in this way! It's just amazing to me how language reveals your underlying world view.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Ohio Supreme Court refused to hear Oberlin's appeal, and the college owes $36 million to the Gibsons. The college has still not admitted they or their administrators did any thing wrong, and may choose to try to appeal to federal court in their continuing effort to exhaust the resources of the Gibson family.

The $36 million doesn’t include Oberlin’s own legal fees. The total cost is probably more than half of the college’s total annual budget. It’s amazing that the college has chosen this path when an apology early on would have made the case go away.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/08/ohio-supreme-court-rejects-oberlin-colleges-appeal-of-36-million-defamation-verdict.html

Here’s a few articles from “National” sources for those who want to say it’s a “non-story:”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/court-wont-hear-appeal-in-oberlin-college-25m-judgment/2022/08/30/42de1850-288c-11ed-a90a-fce4015dfc8f_story.html


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oberlin-court-wont-hear-appeal-in-25-million-judgment/

Oberlin’s insurance carrier paid the legal fees.

Cite for this? Last I saw, Oberlin’s insurance carrier is disclaiming liability and the Board was making the calls on the litigation. Error and Omissions policies don’t cover intentional torts.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

Pretty unintelligent to suggest the college mishandled the lawsuit as opposed to the reality that they completely mishandled the entire response to the incident. I’m glad they will be held accountable and if you don’t think unconscious bias might impact hiring prospects of oberlin grads then you’re even dumber then you seem.