Oberlin and defamation suit interest

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

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PP is a bit thick; point is there is DP and the case is not done.

Still, Oberlin behaved atrociously and now gets its just deserts. Either a loss on appeal or a remand and confidential settlement but it is paying well into the seven figures for wok hubris.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

They’re not obligated to, but they have the legal right to do so.

But it’s really just a silly discussion because no one cares about this story other than RWNJs.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

They’re not obligated to, but they have the legal right to do so.

But it’s really just a silly discussion because no one cares about this story other than RWNJs.

Really? I just did a search and the most recent decision was covered by pretty much every major newspaper in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

They’re not obligated to, but they have the legal right to do so.

But it’s really just a silly discussion because no one cares about this story other than RWNJs.

Really? I just did a search and the most recent decision was covered by pretty much every major newspaper in the country.

Months ago…

Why do you care about a seven year old case involving a different admin and students long gone? It’s weird that of all the protests and scandals on college campus much more recently, this is where the Fox News mouth breathers lose their collective sh*t. It’s like Oberlin is living rent free in their heads. Which is fun to watch. Carry on!

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10999721/amp/Woke-Oberlin-College-hit-4m-dragging-heels-paying-36m-family-run-bakery.html

They have to pay 4 million in interest for not paying the 36 million suit. Tried to post in a previous thread but it was locked. Wondering if this hurts grads employment prospects? Conservatives seem to have gone from not even knowing the school to absolutely hating it.

Have spent two months in Europe and I can tell you something similar has happened here. The only people who have heard about Oberlin think the school has gone all nuts.

I just spent four weeks in Europe with my Obie and her sibling. And 95%+ of the people there have never heard of Oberlin (or W&M where my older kid goes. Sad to say UVA boosters that the blank looks continued when she said it was an in state college like UVA. Europe doesn’t care about UVA either). They asked if DDs was in college. She said yes, Oberlin. Blank look. There was one younger guy who was excited about DD’s Oberlin t-shirt because a high school friend had attended. There was an American guy who gave her the thumbs up because his grandson is an Obie. And because of the nature of our activities, we did run into a few people who knew of the Conservatory. That’s it.

I guarantee you that Europeans do not care about 99% of colleges, including but not limited to W&M and Oberlin. Which is fine. My Obie is getting a first rate science education, working as a research assistant, getting published and networking with visiting profs. She doesn’t need Europeans to have heard of Oberlin. She needs PhD labs to know the name. Based on the fact 60% of her department gets a PhD and the list always includes big names and national awards like Fulbrights, she’ll be fine.

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We have European family and none had heard of Oberlin until my daughter attended and the extent of their current understanding is a small college in the Midwest where DD doesn't have to choose her major until the end of her second year (cue their confusion lol). They have really only heard of HYPSM and it doesn't really concern them. DD is also there to get a STEM degree and is challenged by the rigor of those classes and she's hoping to do biology research next year. What happened is unfortunate but aside from the money (not great), it doesn't seem to affect students currently on campus, who arrived years after the original incident. What attracted us was their strong STEM programs, as well as their relative affordability with merit aid. The college does seem to have a good track record of students receiving national awards and fellowships, which DD is excited and hopeful about.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

They’re not obligated to, but they have the legal right to do so.

But it’s really just a silly discussion because no one cares about this story other than RWNJs.

Really? I just did a search and the most recent decision was covered by pretty much every major newspaper in the country.

Links to recent coverage by WaPo and NYT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this and a string of other idiotic missteps by the college will not impact oberlin grada in the workforce. Even unconscious bias can impact hiring decisions.

Absolutely. I would avoid Oberlin grads the same way I'd avoid YLS grads. No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this and a string of other idiotic missteps by the college will not impact oberlin grada in the workforce. Even unconscious bias can impact hiring decisions.

The original incident was over 5 years ago and the verdict was three years ago. What evidence is there that this has harmed Oberlin graduates? No one is paying attention to it anymore other that RWNJ news sites.

Wow, is that wishful thinking...

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

They’re not obligated to, but they have the legal right to do so.

But it’s really just a silly discussion because no one cares about this story other than RWNJs.

Really? I just did a search and the most recent decision was covered by pretty much every major newspaper in the country.

Months ago…

Why do you care about a seven year old case involving a different admin and students long gone? It’s weird that of all the protests and scandals on college campus much more recently, this is where the Fox News mouth breathers lose their collective sh*t. It’s like Oberlin is living rent free in their heads. Which is fun to watch. Carry on!

Someone is certainly triggered... probably because you know full well Oberlin is in the wrong bigtime and has made a mockery of the school and its students. Oh well. Carry on!
DP

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Links to recent coverage by WaPo and NYT?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go woke and go broke.

Oh, you’re dumb. I’m sorry. Must be hard.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

They’re not obligated to, but they have the legal right to do so.

But it’s really just a silly discussion because no one cares about this story other than RWNJs.

Really? I just did a search and the most recent decision was covered by pretty much every major newspaper in the country.

Links to recent coverage by WaPo and NYT?

Just a quick, not exhaustive, search for articles in the last few months (& not counting Fox, etc):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/colleges-should-pay-heedto-oberlins-costly-libel-case/2022/04/07/04c251fe-b680-11ec-8358-20aa16355fb4_story.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/oberlin-college-loses-appeal-ohio-gibsons-bakery-v-woke-pc-cancel-culture-crt-critical-race-theory-libel-emotional-distress-racial-profiling-higher-education-11648829090

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/04/04/oberlin-college-loses-appeal-libel-case-shoplifting-incident/7267704001/

https://apnews.com/article/business-ohio-race-and-ethnicity-cleveland-lorain-f82dbe8cce914817c720eb956ce9ab46

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/appeals-court-upholds-25m-judgment-oberlin-college-83811661

https://www.chronicle.com/article/oberlins-aid-to-student-protesters-led-to-a-32-million-judgment-the-college-just-lost-its-appeal

https://www.bet.com/article/9gca77/oberlin-college-lawsuit-appeal-loss-pay-damages-ohio-bakery

https://www.blackenterprise.com/appeals-court-uphold-33-million-verdict-against-oberlin-college-for-false-racism-accusations/

[Anonymous]

This wasn’t an isolated incident. Oberlin has a long record of idiotic woke BS incidents.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

Please enlighten us about how the due process clause requires you to appeal a decision you lost in a civil suit. Idiot pretend lawyer.

They’re not obligated to, but they have the legal right to do so.

But it’s really just a silly discussion because no one cares about this story other than RWNJs.

Really? I just did a search and the most recent decision was covered by pretty much every major newspaper in the country.

Links to recent coverage by WaPo and NYT?

Just a quick, not exhaustive, search for articles in the last few months (& not counting Fox, etc):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/colleges-should-pay-heedto-oberlins-costly-libel-case/2022/04/07/04c251fe-b680-11ec-8358-20aa16355fb4_story.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/oberlin-college-loses-appeal-ohio-gibsons-bakery-v-woke-pc-cancel-culture-crt-critical-race-theory-libel-emotional-distress-racial-profiling-higher-education-11648829090

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/04/04/oberlin-college-loses-appeal-libel-case-shoplifting-incident/7267704001/

https://apnews.com/article/business-ohio-race-and-ethnicity-cleveland-lorain-f82dbe8cce914817c720eb956ce9ab46

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/appeals-court-upholds-25m-judgment-oberlin-college-83811661

https://www.chronicle.com/article/oberlins-aid-to-student-protesters-led-to-a-32-million-judgment-the-college-just-lost-its-appeal

https://www.bet.com/article/9gca77/oberlin-college-lawsuit-appeal-loss-pay-damages-ohio-bakery

https://www.blackenterprise.com/appeals-court-uphold-33-million-verdict-against-oberlin-college-for-false-racism-accusations/

Those are from months ago, not recent.