One D.C. stop-sign camera brought in $1.3 million in tickets in 2 years

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously it was needed!!

Exactly. That's why it's there.

Doesn’t sound like it’s helping to correct driver behavior if so many tickets keep getting issued. Is it well signed so drivers are aware of the camera?

The stop sign is what you're supposed to be aware of. You're supposed to stop at all of those, not just the ones where you suspect there's a camera. Crazy concept for half the people on this thread, evidently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously it was needed!!

Exactly. That's why it's there.

Doesn’t sound like it’s helping to correct driver behavior if so many tickets keep getting issued. Is it well signed so drivers are aware of the camera?

Yeah, there's an obvious hexagonal sign in an obvious color. If you see it, then come to a complete stop behind the painted line, as legally required. You'll be fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously it was needed!!

Exactly. That's why it's there.

Doesn’t sound like it’s helping to correct driver behavior if so many tickets keep getting issued. Is it well signed so drivers are aware of the camera?

The stop sign is what you're supposed to be aware of. You're supposed to stop at all of those, not just the ones where you suspect there's a camera. Crazy concept for half the people on this thread, evidently.

Does that apply if they are Very Important?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They have them around Kenilworth. I see they have moved them into the mostly white parts of town now.

I stopped driving into DC as much. That means I spend less money in DC and get fewer tickets, too.

If you're not driving in DC anymore because you get too many tickets, then the citizens of DC definitely come out ahead. Do your terrible driving at home.

Cameras can’t discern who is a terrible driver. Cameras are for raising revenue.

Wrong, if the camera repeatedly catches you for running a stop sign, then you are a terrible driver. The camera is just the messenger, so don't shoot the messenger as they say.

[Anonymous]

Not to be pedantic but 4 seconds is not the same as a complete stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not to be pedantic but 4 seconds is not the same as a complete stop.

It's just long enough to clearly come to a stop. Recognize that people's prescriptions of a stop are usually a slow roll. Aiming for 4 second probably results in a 1-2 second actual stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I have a license plate cover.

Our family member just got pulled over in DC for having a plate cover. $400 fine.

This is a lie.

DC DMV tags must be attached to the vehicle to which they are issued. They must be securely fastened in a horizontal position, so that they do not fall off and can be easily read. District law requires that the tags be visible and not obstructed or covered by any substance (e.g., glass, plastic, spray, license tag holders, etc.).

https://dmv.dc.gov/service/dmv-vehicle-tags

Not true. Saw a bunch of kids in SW on dirt bikes drive right past a cop and he didn’t do anything.

They didn’t have plates so it’s obviously not required in DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:14% of the tickets issued that were contested were overturned. That is a very high error rate by any standard.

86% of $1.3 million is still not too bad. However, that camera is almost certainly contracted. How much does the contracting company get per ticket?

Actually DC does not contract with a 3rd party vendor that takes a share of the revenue - not sure why this is repeated so often.

Montgomery County does this with its school bus camera program but DC does not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:14% of the tickets issued that were contested were overturned. That is a very high error rate by any standard.

The tickets being overturned doesn't mean that they were issued in error. Most tickets in DC will be overturned if you contest it and it's not your 30th.

Nice try but this is plainly false and a lie, particularly when it comes to camera enforcement tickets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to be pedantic but 4 seconds is not the same as a complete stop.

It's just long enough to clearly come to a stop. Recognize that people's prescriptions of a stop are usually a slow roll. Aiming for 4 second probably results in a 1-2 second actual stop.

What is this based on? Like you’re just making stuff up and making lots of presumptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:14% of the tickets issued that were contested were overturned. That is a very high error rate by any standard.

86% of $1.3 million is still not too bad. However, that camera is almost certainly contracted. How much does the contracting company get per ticket?

Actually DC does not contract with a 3rd party vendor that takes a share of the revenue - not sure why this is repeated so often.

Montgomery County does this with its school bus camera program but DC does not.

When DC first started wide rollout of cameras in the early 00s they did contract with a vendor. I think it might of been Lockheed Martin.

It would be news to a lot of people if the city moved the camera ticketing in-house because the vendor participation and profit sharing was well publicized.

So to say that you are not sure why people believe this is a strong indicator that you’ve not lived here for any appreciable period of time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:14% of the tickets issued that were contested were overturned. That is a very high error rate by any standard.

86% of $1.3 million is still not too bad. However, that camera is almost certainly contracted. How much does the contracting company get per ticket?

Actually DC does not contract with a 3rd party vendor that takes a share of the revenue - not sure why this is repeated so often.

Montgomery County does this with its school bus camera program but DC does not.

According to the third party, DC recently renewed the contract.

https://novoaglobal.com/washington-dc-photo-enforcement-contract-renewed/

According to this article, it was fixed price in 2017, at $3,000,000.

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/184122/dc-traffic-tickets-the-district-profits-and-residents-pay/

I can find details on the new renewal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to be pedantic but 4 seconds is not the same as a complete stop.

It's just long enough to clearly come to a stop. Recognize that people's prescriptions of a stop are usually a slow roll. Aiming for 4 second probably results in a 1-2 second actual stop.

What is this based on? Like you’re just making stuff up and making lots of presumptions.

How can we observe anything? What if this is all just the matrix? It's all pure conjecture you see, we can't know anything. Can't prove anything. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to be pedantic but 4 seconds is not the same as a complete stop.

It's just long enough to clearly come to a stop. Recognize that people's prescriptions of a stop are usually a slow roll. Aiming for 4 second probably results in a 1-2 second actual stop.

I know what a complete stop is. I also know that the overwhelming vast majority of people don't come to one and that writing an algorithm to define one is very difficult.

4 seconds is not the same as a complete stop though. It's an apptoximation. That's an important distinction when talking about strict automated enforcement of a qualitative not quantitative traffic law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:14% of the tickets issued that were contested were overturned. That is a very high error rate by any standard.

86% of $1.3 million is still not too bad. However, that camera is almost certainly contracted. How much does the contracting company get per ticket?

Actually DC does not contract with a 3rd party vendor that takes a share of the revenue - not sure why this is repeated so often.

Montgomery County does this with its school bus camera program but DC does not.

According to the third party, DC recently renewed the contract.

https://novoaglobal.com/washington-dc-photo-enforcement-contract-renewed/

According to this article, it was fixed price in 2017, at $3,000,000.

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/184122/dc-traffic-tickets-the-district-profits-and-residents-pay/

I can find details on the new renewal.

Good catch.

Lockheed did originally have the contract back in 2000, as this NYT article says.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/11/automobiles/frown-you-re-on-red-light-camera.html

I am not sure why people are motivated to lie or just make things up so much about these things. It’s bizarre.