My high stat kid’s experience with admissions

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Anonymous wrote:I have always operated with the understanding that optional pretty much means required.

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that applications from white/Asian UMC kids in the DMV without a test score can raise a red flag (i.e., why wouldn't they submit a score unless it was weak)? And a 32 ACT may not be stellar, but I think it's still the 97th percentile so why not submit to clear up any doubts?

what is the basis for that understanding? please don't say DCUM.

Logic

that's a shorthand way of saying "pulled it out of my ass"

Stanford's common data set for 2021-22 shows that for first year students who enrolled in 2021, 12.6% submitted SAT scores and 8.7% submitted ACT scores. Are you saying that the 80% that did not are all non-white/Asian UMC kids?

Standford is a sports school. It's not MIT. Unlike Standford, MIT can't allow TO for long without affecting the quality of its program.

MIT also recruits sports. As a result, my DC turned down the offer and went to an ivy instead. MY DC lost respect for MIT after seeing her less prepared peer across DMV got in with sports. SO PEOPLE, SPORTS IS YOUR KEY!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have always operated with the understanding that optional pretty much means required.

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that applications from white/Asian UMC kids in the DMV without a test score can raise a red flag (i.e., why wouldn't they submit a score unless it was weak)? And a 32 ACT may not be stellar, but I think it's still the 97th percentile so why not submit to clear up any doubts?

what is the basis for that understanding? please don't say DCUM.

Logic

that's a shorthand way of saying "pulled it out of my ass"

Stanford's common data set for 2021-22 shows that for first year students who enrolled in 2021, 12.6% submitted SAT scores and 8.7% submitted ACT scores. Are you saying that the 80% that did not are all non-white/Asian UMC kids?

Standford is a sports school. It's not MIT. Unlike Standford, MIT can't allow TO for long without affecting the quality of its program.

MIT also recruits sports. As a result, my DC turned down the offer and went to an ivy instead. MY DC lost respect for MIT after seeing her less prepared peer across DMV got in with sports. SO PEOPLE, SPORTS IS YOUR KEY!

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS has much higher SAT but otherwise similar, rejected by ivies, maybe being an asian played a factor. So congratulations to you! Life isn’t always fair but this is the work we live in.

Once you clear a certain threshold it doesn’t matter that SAT higher. They don’t look more favorably at a kid with a 1590 than they do a kid with a 1530. They then look at other things. Read MIT’s statement about requiring tests again.

Completely true. In our case, the many national level awards scholastic or science and international awards for performances just are not enough because mod being upper middle class mixed Asian? Who knows! I give up! My DC will be fine and won’t be one of those who would drop H-bombs type of people. I think lawyers can most about where they went.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS has much higher SAT but otherwise similar, rejected by ivies, maybe being an asian played a factor. So congratulations to you! Life isn’t always fair but this is the work we live in.

Same here. My DS stats were much higher with more APs. 3 sports. 2 languages . Rejected to all Ivy schools. ( Mixed asian)

my Asian kid had lower stats and got into multiple Ivies. So what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS has much higher SAT but otherwise similar, rejected by ivies, maybe being an asian played a factor. So congratulations to you! Life isn’t always fair but this is the work we live in.

Same here. My DS stats were much higher with more APs. 3 sports. 2 languages . Rejected to all Ivy schools. ( Mixed asian)

my Asian kid had lower stats and got into multiple Ivies. So what?

You are special and hit the jackpot. So don’t rub it in to the rest of us, because I can guarantee you that those who didn’t get the offer are not any less intelligent than your Asian kid.

[Anonymous]

Unhooked FCPS male for class of 2023 has excellent test scores (800-M, 720-ERW one sitting) and grades (4.4 GPA) is delusional about his application prospects to MIT, Harvard and Columbia for CS. Despite showing him the admission numbers, he is "half assing" his couple of matches/safeties by not showing interest. I realize mom and dad dont know anything and really afraid this is going to come back to bite him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unhooked FCPS male for class of 2023 has excellent test scores (800-M, 720-ERW one sitting) and grades (4.4 GPA) is delusional about his application prospects to MIT, Harvard and Columbia for CS. Despite showing him the admission numbers, he is "half assing" his couple of matches/safeties by not showing interest. I realize mom and dad dont know anything and really afraid this is going to come back to bite him.

Yes, it really might bite him in the ass. CS is typically one the most challenging major to get accepted into. Everyone applying to these 3 schools have similar stats, yet 93%+ will be denied admission. If he doesn't pick true safeties and show demonstrated interest he could easily be extremely disappointed come April 2023. It is your job as a parent to ensure he picks true safeties and a few true targets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unhooked FCPS male for class of 2023 has excellent test scores (800-M, 720-ERW one sitting) and grades (4.4 GPA) is delusional about his application prospects to MIT, Harvard and Columbia for CS. Despite showing him the admission numbers, he is "half assing" his couple of matches/safeties by not showing interest. I realize mom and dad dont know anything and really afraid this is going to come back to bite him.

Hang in there. It’s only April. There is plenty of time for hs counselors to do their job. There will be a different vibe as he and all of his classmates formally begin the application process in later this summer. He will hear stories of the bloodbath of 2022 from classmates about siblings. Counselors will share cautionary tales. Of course, nothing you say matters. But he is listening whether or not he shows it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unhooked FCPS male for class of 2023 has excellent test scores (800-M, 720-ERW one sitting) and grades (4.4 GPA) is delusional about his application prospects to MIT, Harvard and Columbia for CS. Despite showing him the admission numbers, he is "half assing" his couple of matches/safeties by not showing interest. I realize mom and dad dont know anything and really afraid this is going to come back to bite him.

Hang in there. It’s only April. There is plenty of time for hs counselors to do their job. There will be a different vibe as he and all of his classmates formally begin the application process in later this summer. He will hear stories of the bloodbath of 2022 from classmates about siblings. Counselors will share cautionary tales. Of course, nothing you say matters. But he is listening whether or not he shows it.

thanks. Sure as he'll hope so!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have always operated with the understanding that optional pretty much means required.

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that applications from white/Asian UMC kids in the DMV without a test score can raise a red flag (i.e., why wouldn't they submit a score unless it was weak)? And a 32 ACT may not be stellar, but I think it's still the 97th percentile so why not submit to clear up any doubts?

what is the basis for that understanding? please don't say DCUM.

Logic

that's a shorthand way of saying "pulled it out of my ass"

Stanford's common data set for 2021-22 shows that for first year students who enrolled in 2021, 12.6% submitted SAT scores and 8.7% submitted ACT scores. Are you saying that the 80% that did not are all non-white/Asian UMC kids?

Standford is a sports school. It's not MIT. Unlike Standford, MIT can't allow TO for long without affecting the quality of its program.

MIT also recruits sports. As a result, my DC turned down the offer and went to an ivy instead. MY DC lost respect for MIT after seeing her less prepared peer across DMV got in with sports. SO PEOPLE, SPORTS IS YOUR KEY!

Ivies also recruit for sports. Heavily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS has much higher SAT but otherwise similar, rejected by ivies, maybe being an asian played a factor. So congratulations to you! Life isn’t always fair but this is the work we live in.

Same here. My DS stats were much higher with more APs. 3 sports. 2 languages . Rejected to all Ivy schools. ( Mixed asian)

my Asian kid had lower stats and got into multiple Ivies. So what?

You are special and hit the jackpot. So don’t rub it in to the rest of us, because I can guarantee you that those who didn’t get the offer are not any less intelligent than your Asian kid.

never said that, but the idea that being Asian is somehow disqualifying is pernicious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have always operated with the understanding that optional pretty much means required.

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that applications from white/Asian UMC kids in the DMV without a test score can raise a red flag (i.e., why wouldn't they submit a score unless it was weak)? And a 32 ACT may not be stellar, but I think it's still the 97th percentile so why not submit to clear up any doubts?

what is the basis for that understanding? please don't say DCUM.

Logic

that's a shorthand way of saying "pulled it out of my ass"

Stanford's common data set for 2021-22 shows that for first year students who enrolled in 2021, 12.6% submitted SAT scores and 8.7% submitted ACT scores. Are you saying that the 80% that did not are all non-white/Asian UMC kids?

Last year, many kids didn't have a choice to submit or not. They never got the chance to take the SAT or ACT at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS has much higher SAT but otherwise similar, rejected by ivies, maybe being an asian played a factor. So congratulations to you! Life isn’t always fair but this is the work we live in.

Same here. My DS stats were much higher with more APs. 3 sports. 2 languages . Rejected to all Ivy schools. ( Mixed asian)

my Asian kid had lower stats and got into multiple Ivies. So what?

You are special and hit the jackpot. So don’t rub it in to the rest of us, because I can guarantee you that those who didn’t get the offer are not any less intelligent than your Asian kid.

never said that, but the idea that being Asian is somehow disqualifying is pernicious.

pernicious, baneful, noxious, deleterious, detrimental mean exceedingly harmful. pernicious implies irreparable harm done through evil or insidious corrupting or undermining. NP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have always operated with the understanding that optional pretty much means required.

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that applications from white/Asian UMC kids in the DMV without a test score can raise a red flag (i.e., why wouldn't they submit a score unless it was weak)? And a 32 ACT may not be stellar, but I think it's still the 97th percentile so why not submit to clear up any doubts?

what is the basis for that understanding? please don't say DCUM.

Logic

that's a shorthand way of saying "pulled it out of my ass"

Stanford's common data set for 2021-22 shows that for first year students who enrolled in 2021, 12.6% submitted SAT scores and 8.7% submitted ACT scores. Are you saying that the 80% that did not are all non-white/Asian UMC kids?

Standford is a sports school. It's not MIT. Unlike Standford, MIT can't allow TO for long without affecting the quality of its program.

MIT also recruits sports. As a result, my DC turned down the offer and went to an ivy instead. MY DC lost respect for MIT after seeing her less prepared peer across DMV got in with sports. SO PEOPLE, SPORTS IS YOUR KEY!

Ivies also recruit for sports. Heavily.

Absolutely, but they don’t hide it. Most people don’t know that MIT recruits heavily too, and think that the students there are all based on academic merit only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS has much higher SAT but otherwise similar, rejected by ivies, maybe being an asian played a factor. So congratulations to you! Life isn’t always fair but this is the work we live in.

Same here. My DS stats were much higher with more APs. 3 sports. 2 languages . Rejected to all Ivy schools. ( Mixed asian)

my Asian kid had lower stats and got into multiple Ivies. So what?

You are special and hit the jackpot. So don’t rub it in to the rest of us, because I can guarantee you that those who didn’t get the offer are not any less intelligent than your Asian kid.

never said that, but the idea that being Asian is somehow disqualifying is pernicious.

Can you hear your attitude? You fit right in in that category! You must be a unpleasant person in real life with no real friends.