Virginia Republican introduces bill to ban abortions at 20 weeks

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just like Texas!

I am pro-choice, but this is not "just like Texas," and is similar to laws in other countries restricting abortion after 20 or 24 weeks for the same reasons.

I object to this bill not including fetal deformities or defects. I had a friend go through that nightmare and she chose to terminate just after the 20 week ultrasound.

I object to forced birthers trying to control women’s lives, full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability. Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

Am I the last generation of people with my disorder (yes it is screened for now)? Are the disabled unfit for society? Just get rid of us all? No deaf, no blind, no downs, no autism, no one with spina bifida, no one in wheelchairs, everyone perfect. Perfect babies. Perfect families. Strong society. No diversity.

Have the conversation. Be careful with the knee jerk reaction that everyone who receives a positive downs test would automatically abort or that their life cannot be fulfilling or that their parents wished they were different. I am pro choice, but it's hard for me to listen and read about people making statements about the disabled that are just nasty and mean. We matter. We have worthy lives. We are a part of society.

The Atlantic has this short discussion on this very topic.

https://youtu.be/C5vVBeJWx_w

You may choose not to abort a fetus with an abnormality. Other women may make the choice for all of the reasons listed up thread. It’s their choice to make. And screens, while absolutely important, are a privilege and often only available to women with health insurance who can access comprehensive prenatal care. Restricting choice is being anti-choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

There are three dead infants by Dr Gosnell at his late term abortion chop shop that would disagree with this statement.

He no longer practices.

If you’re saying that no women should have access to an abortion at 20+ weeks because of his case then you open up the doors to similar arguments like that one one should be allowed to own guns because of all the gun deaths in this country.

He no longer practices because he is in prison. But these women weren’t doing full term abortions in his office because of some horrific fetal malformation. Because they would have been done in a hospital. These were elective abortion in 3 trimester. So stop with the “every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy” BS. It’s equally as crazy as protecting an embryo.

If you don’t like second trimester abortions you should support easy access to first trimester abortions.

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Me again. Truly, if later abortions are worse than earlier ones, knock it off with making earlier abortions harder to get.

“In a paper published in 2013 by Foster and Katrina Kimport on women who got abortions for reasons other than a danger to life or health or a fetal anomaly, they cited logistical delays such as difficulty finding a provider, raising funds for the procedure and travel costs.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/06/tough-questions-answers-late-term-abortions-law-women-who-get-them/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability. Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

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Where have these posts been?

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That’s so good

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20 weeks is more than enough time to know if you're pregnant, personal accountability

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Recreational abortion should be banned completely, 20 weeks is a good start

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Reading these posts about "fetal abnormalities," i can't help but recall this that came out a few weeks ago......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts about "fetal abnormalities," i can't help but recall this that came out a few weeks ago......

Yes, that’s why after your 20 week scan with bad results you go to a specialist and get more testing. Which makes not allowing abortion after 20 weeks in these cases cruel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability. Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

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Where have these posts been?

In the imaginary mind of the forced birther.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts about "fetal abnormalities," i can't help but recall this that came out a few weeks ago......

Yes, that’s why after your 20 week scan with bad results you go to a specialist and get more testing. Which makes not allowing abortion after 20 weeks in these cases cruel.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability. Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

Am I the last generation of people with my disorder (yes it is screened for now)? Are the disabled unfit for society? Just get rid of us all? No deaf, no blind, no downs, no autism, no one with spina bifida, no one in wheelchairs, everyone perfect. Perfect babies. Perfect families. Strong society. No diversity.

Have the conversation. Be careful with the knee jerk reaction that everyone who receives a positive downs test would automatically abort or that their life cannot be fulfilling or that their parents wished they were different. I am pro choice, but it's hard for me to listen and read about people making statements about the disabled that are just nasty and mean. We matter. We have worthy lives. We are a part of society.

The Atlantic has this short discussion on this very topic.

https://youtu.be/C5vVBeJWx_w

You may choose not to abort a fetus with an abnormality. Other women may make the choice for all of the reasons listed up thread. It’s their choice to make. And screens, while absolutely important, are a privilege and often only available to women with health insurance who can access comprehensive prenatal care. Restricting choice is being anti-choice.

That poster is not advocating for restricting choice but is highlighting ethical concerns. We can have a discussion within pro-choice. We can have a discussion that does NOT restrict choices. However, it is beyond crass to quickly suggest thank god you can still abort downs or disabled babies and maybe examine what that says about society. You can’t seem to wrap your head around the fact that. While I believe everyone should have whatever choice they need to make and I do not support women having to give a reason for their abortion (or any other restrictions) I think we need a national conversation about how we view the disabled. Mouthing off of how burdensome it would be to have a downs baby is just awful.

This is perhaps for a different thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No exception for rape or incest. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB1274

Yup, no exceptions. You can read the full text.

Enjoy carrying your rapist’s baby, UVA gals.

What percentage of rape victims wait until after 20 weeks to get an abortion?

Not sure the percentage but I do recall that case in Argentina of a 11 year old who tried to get one after 19 weeks but was denied and then doctors had to cut her open to remove a 23 week old baby that died.

Why are pro abortion advocates always more concerned about the 11 year old have access to abortion, than concern over the fact that she was ELEVEN and got pregnant--clearly a victim of abuse!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:No exception for rape or incest. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB1274

Yup, no exceptions. You can read the full text.

Enjoy carrying your rapist’s baby, UVA gals.

What percentage of rape victims wait until after 20 weeks to get an abortion?

Not sure the percentage but I do recall that case in Argentina of a 11 year old who tried to get one after 19 weeks but was denied and then doctors had to cut her open to remove a 23 week old baby that died.

Why are pro abortion advocates always more concerned about the 11 year old have access to abortion, than concern over the fact that she was ELEVEN and got pregnant--clearly a victim of abuse!

Preferring policies that don’t force that abused child to give birth doesn’t preclude concern over the abuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just like Texas!

Texas is 6 weeks. That’s a single missed period.

20 weeks is 5 months.

+1
Not seeing the problem here and I'm pro-choice.