Virginia Republican introduces bill to ban abortions at 20 weeks

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

There are three dead infants by Dr Gosnell at his late term abortion chop shop that would disagree with this statement.

He no longer practices.

If you’re saying that no women should have access to an abortion at 20+ weeks because of his case then you open up the doors to similar arguments like that one one should be allowed to own guns because of all the gun deaths in this country.

He no longer practices because he is in prison. But these women weren’t doing full term abortions in his office because of some horrific fetal malformation. Because they would have been done in a hospital. These were elective abortion in 3 trimester. So stop with the “every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy” BS. It’s equally as crazy as protecting an embryo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, not bothering to parse a poll by the Knights of Columbus.

The Gallup poll doesn’t indicate “broad support” for restrictions “more than allowed under Roe v. Wade.”

It is as you say. Americans rightly support abortion access.

“The poll finds that 60% percent of Americans say Roe v. Wade should be upheld, while 27% say it should be overturned. […] Sixty-five percent of Americans say the Supreme Court should reject the [Texas] law, while 29% say the law should be upheld. More broadly, 58% to 36% of Americans oppose states considering or passing laws that make it more difficult for abortion clinics to operate there.“

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/16/politics/americans-abortion-roe-v-wade-poll/index.html

even fox news

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Anonymous wrote:No exception for rape or incest. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB1274

Yup, no exceptions. You can read the full text.

Enjoy carrying your rapist’s baby, UVA gals.

What percentage of rape victims wait until after 20 weeks to get an abortion?

Why does it have to be a certain percentage? Isn't it enough that it happens?

I'm an attorney and years ago I was involved in a case where the stepfather was molesting his 15-year-old stepdaughter. Mother didn't know until she took stepdaughter in for a medical exam and that weight gain she'd wondered about was a second trimester pregnancy. If that girl didn't want to bear her mother's husband's child, shouldn't she have that choice?

Not according to the psychopaths in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

There are three dead infants by Dr Gosnell at his late term abortion chop shop that would disagree with this statement.

He no longer practices.

If you’re saying that no women should have access to an abortion at 20+ weeks because of his case then you open up the doors to similar arguments like that one one should be allowed to own guns because of all the gun deaths in this country.

He no longer practices because he is in prison. But these women weren’t doing full term abortions in his office because of some horrific fetal malformation. Because they would have been done in a hospital. These were elective abortion in 3 trimester. So stop with the “every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy” BS. It’s equally as crazy as protecting an embryo.

If you don’t like second trimester abortions you should support easy access to first trimester abortions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

There are three dead infants by Dr Gosnell at his late term abortion chop shop that would disagree with this statement.

He no longer practices.

If you’re saying that no women should have access to an abortion at 20+ weeks because of his case then you open up the doors to similar arguments like that one one should be allowed to own guns because of all the gun deaths in this country.

He no longer practices because he is in prison. But these women weren’t doing full term abortions in his office because of some horrific fetal malformation. Because they would have been done in a hospital. These were elective abortion in 3 trimester. So stop with the “every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy” BS. It’s equally as crazy as protecting an embryo.

No well off woman was seeing Dr Gosnell. These were people who were failed at every step of the way. If they had access to abortion in the first trimester they would have likely opted for it. But when you impose stupid restrictions and make people who can’t afford a $400 car repair come up with $1000 for an abortion, this is all very predictable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

There are three dead infants by Dr Gosnell at his late term abortion chop shop that would disagree with this statement.

He no longer practices.

If you’re saying that no women should have access to an abortion at 20+ weeks because of his case then you open up the doors to similar arguments like that one one should be allowed to own guns because of all the gun deaths in this country.

He no longer practices because he is in prison. But these women weren’t doing full term abortions in his office because of some horrific fetal malformation. Because they would have been done in a hospital. These were elective abortion in 3 trimester. So stop with the “every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy” BS. It’s equally as crazy as protecting an embryo.

Are you unaware that the third trimester starts at 27 weeks? And at that point ending the pregnancy would entail a delivery. Gosnell is in prison. Tell us where other clinics are using d&e’s on a 27+ week pregnant woman.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

There are three dead infants by Dr Gosnell at his late term abortion chop shop that would disagree with this statement.

He no longer practices.

If you’re saying that no women should have access to an abortion at 20+ weeks because of his case then you open up the doors to similar arguments like that one one should be allowed to own guns because of all the gun deaths in this country.

He no longer practices because he is in prison. But these women weren’t doing full term abortions in his office because of some horrific fetal malformation. Because they would have been done in a hospital. These were elective abortion in 3 trimester. So stop with the “every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy” BS. It’s equally as crazy as protecting an embryo.

Are you unaware that the third trimester starts at 27 weeks? And at that point ending the pregnancy would entail a delivery. Gosnell is in prison. Tell us where other clinics are using d&e’s on a 27+ week pregnant woman.

I’m sure they are out there because there appears to be a demand for elective late term abortions, which is horrific. And I say this as pro-choice up to viability supporter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

There are three dead infants by Dr Gosnell at his late term abortion chop shop that would disagree with this statement.

He no longer practices.

If you’re saying that no women should have access to an abortion at 20+ weeks because of his case then you open up the doors to similar arguments like that one one should be allowed to own guns because of all the gun deaths in this country.

He no longer practices because he is in prison. But these women weren’t doing full term abortions in his office because of some horrific fetal malformation. Because they would have been done in a hospital. These were elective abortion in 3 trimester. So stop with the “every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy” BS. It’s equally as crazy as protecting an embryo.

Are you unaware that the third trimester starts at 27 weeks? And at that point ending the pregnancy would entail a delivery. Gosnell is in prison. Tell us where other clinics are using d&e’s on a 27+ week pregnant woman.

I’m sure they are out there because there appears to be a demand for elective late term abortions, which is horrific. And I say this as pro-choice up to viability supporter.

Liar on all accounts.

There is no “demand” for “abortions” after 27 weeks. And you are not a supporter of abortion rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability. Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

Am I the last generation of people with my disorder (yes it is screened for now)? Are the disabled unfit for society? Just get rid of us all? No deaf, no blind, no downs, no autism, no one with spina bifida, no one in wheelchairs, everyone perfect. Perfect babies. Perfect families. Strong society. No diversity.

Have the conversation. Be careful with the knee jerk reaction that everyone who receives a positive downs test would automatically abort or that their life cannot be fulfilling or that their parents wished they were different. I am pro choice, but it's hard for me to listen and read about people making statements about the disabled that are just nasty and mean. We matter. We have worthy lives. We are a part of society.

The Atlantic has this short discussion on this very topic.

https://youtu.be/C5vVBeJWx_w

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Aborting babies with downs = eugenics; be careful what you’re actually promoting.

No, that’s called choice. Not everyone wants or is capable of caring for a child, let alone a child with severe health issues. Down syndrome is not just about learning disabilities and can be quite severe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

There are three dead infants by Dr Gosnell at his late term abortion chop shop that would disagree with this statement.

He no longer practices.

If you’re saying that no women should have access to an abortion at 20+ weeks because of his case then you open up the doors to similar arguments like that one one should be allowed to own guns because of all the gun deaths in this country.

He no longer practices because he is in prison. But these women weren’t doing full term abortions in his office because of some horrific fetal malformation. Because they would have been done in a hospital. These were elective abortion in 3 trimester. So stop with the “every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy” BS. It’s equally as crazy as protecting an embryo.

Are you unaware that the third trimester starts at 27 weeks? And at that point ending the pregnancy would entail a delivery. Gosnell is in prison. Tell us where other clinics are using d&e’s on a 27+ week pregnant woman.

I’m sure they are out there because there appears to be a demand for elective late term abortions, which is horrific. And I say this as pro-choice up to viability supporter.

Good grief, you are a terrible troll. The only “demand” for abortions at 27 weeks is from women who discover their child has a significant health issue that may not be compatible with life and/or presents significant health challenges. In a country where health care is a privilege and people have to set up Go Fund Me pages to cover the expenses of things like chemotherapy or life-saving surgery or NICU costs for their children, it makes absolute sense that women may decide that giving birth to a child with severe abnormalities who may not live long or live without suffering AND that caring for that child while bankrupting the family isn’t a path she wants to take. God bless those poor women and the excruciating choice the have to make - but it should be THEIR choice. Not the government’s, not yours, not the GOP’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability. Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

Am I the last generation of people with my disorder (yes it is screened for now)? Are the disabled unfit for society? Just get rid of us all? No deaf, no blind, no downs, no autism, no one with spina bifida, no one in wheelchairs, everyone perfect. Perfect babies. Perfect families. Strong society. No diversity.

Have the conversation. Be careful with the knee jerk reaction that everyone who receives a positive downs test would automatically abort or that their life cannot be fulfilling or that their parents wished they were different. I am pro choice, but it's hard for me to listen and read about people making statements about the disabled that are just nasty and mean. We matter. We have worthy lives. We are a part of society.

The Atlantic has this short discussion on this very topic.

https://youtu.be/C5vVBeJWx_w

You realize Trump is for eugenics, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just like Texas!

I am pro-choice, but this is not "just like Texas," and is similar to laws in other countries restricting abortion after 20 or 24 weeks for the same reasons.

I object to this bill not including fetal deformities or defects. I had a friend go through that nightmare and she chose to terminate just after the 20 week ultrasound.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

There are three dead infants by Dr Gosnell at his late term abortion chop shop that would disagree with this statement.

He no longer practices.

If you’re saying that no women should have access to an abortion at 20+ weeks because of his case then you open up the doors to similar arguments like that one one should be allowed to own guns because of all the gun deaths in this country.

He no longer practices because he is in prison. But these women weren’t doing full term abortions in his office because of some horrific fetal malformation. Because they would have been done in a hospital. These were elective abortion in 3 trimester. So stop with the “every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy” BS. It’s equally as crazy as protecting an embryo.

If you don’t like second trimester abortions you should support easy access to first trimester abortions.

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