I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, OP. Not believing the whole "Democracy is at stake" fear mongering and the push to federalize elections.

And, to try and claim this push is because of Jan. 6 - please! We are not stupid. There was an effort to push partisan voting legislation long before J6.

And, as for Biden going to GA to decry their voting laws.......Georgia has twice as many early voting days as his own home state of Delaware. Maybe he should go there first.

Neither you nor OP have made the case for why voter restrictions are needed.

And, not one Democrat has made the case why the US needs to pass a "voting rights" bill.

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And for ID., pleezz. We all know what coded language "urban teens" means and it is pretty racist to suggest that a certain demographic is incapable to getting an ID. I mean seriously.
Sure getting an ID is a pain the a$$, but to say it is insurmountable while pushing for vaccine passports - which require ID!- is total hypocrisy. In DC you are not allowed into most buildings without an ID or vaccine card. Yet I am not hearing howls that poor down trodden "urban teens" are being banned from society because they lack an ID. Because it is just not true.

Actually it isn't the urban teens that are the issue. It is mostly people in poor, rural areas where the number of DMVs has been curtailed and they are not served by public transportation, so you have to arrange for a ride to go 40-50 miles to get a legal ID.

that you poo-poo this shows that you have no clue the hurdles that have been raised in some communities to be able to get a valid government issued ID. If all state and local governments made it easy and free, then sure, go ahead and require it.

And polling stations in rural areas almost always require having a ride to get there. What about the elderly who might not drive any more due to impaired vision or other health issues? Thus the need for alternatives like absentee ballots. Thus the need to not demonize those who would try to help let them cast their votes as is their right.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, OP. Not believing the whole "Democracy is at stake" fear mongering and the push to federalize elections.

And, to try and claim this push is because of Jan. 6 - please! We are not stupid. There was an effort to push partisan voting legislation long before J6.

And, as for Biden going to GA to decry their voting laws.......Georgia has twice as many early voting days as his own home state of Delaware. Maybe he should go there first.

Neither you nor OP have made the case for why voter restrictions are needed.

And, not one Democrat has made the case why the US needs to pass a "voting rights" bill.

You aren't paying attention. NUMEROUS examples have been given in this thread as to why access to voting needs to be protected. But there haven't been any REAL examples given of why voting needs to be further restricted.

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Anonymous wrote:Voting rights legislation is needed as Trumpy republican led states are trying to take voting rights away as much as possible. For example, you can't give people water in extremely hot Georgia while they wait in long lines with fewer voting machines in majority black districts.

White friends in Georgia, who were registered as democrats, were turned away from and bounced between polling places until it was too late for them to vote. No amount of arguing or proof of identity and voting registration cards seemed to help.

And then you have all the conservative Republican accusations of illegal voting, which has not actually been found. The only cases that have been, have actually been republicans.

There is no way I would register as a Democrat in a state led by a Trumpy republican governor right now, because I would be afraid I would be prevented from voting. As a white person.

Water is allowed. In fact, self serve water fountains MUST be provided. They just don’t want people mixing with people in line and giving out things because it can influence them to vote one way or the other. That’s a very sensible rule. Stop the lie that people don’t have access to water.

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Anonymous wrote:People who call themselves rational conservatives should not be allowed to vote. They are likely to be sociopaths who believe that government and laws should serve their interests above those of others, and should restrict the actions and beliefs of others but not their own.

The irony of telling somebody with different beliefs that they shouldn’t get a vote whilst you’re on a voting rights thread……utter imbecile.

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And, the real goal of the Democrats' "voting rights" bill is to ensure they are in power forever.

This bill will go the same route as BBB. It is a joke and even some Democrats can see that.

If allowing people to vote puts Democrats in power forever then all that means is that people want to vote for Democrats.

Novel idea: Instead of being bastards and trying to cheat people out of their vote, maybe you should work on a better platform and better reasons why people would want to vote for Republicans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Voting rights legislation is needed as Trumpy republican led states are trying to take voting rights away as much as possible. For example, you can't give people water in extremely hot Georgia while they wait in long lines with fewer voting machines in majority black districts.

White friends in Georgia, who were registered as democrats, were turned away from and bounced between polling places until it was too late for them to vote. No amount of arguing or proof of identity and voting registration cards seemed to help.

And then you have all the conservative Republican accusations of illegal voting, which has not actually been found. The only cases that have been, have actually been republicans.

There is no way I would register as a Democrat in a state led by a Trumpy republican governor right now, because I would be afraid I would be prevented from voting. As a white person.

Water is allowed. In fact, self serve water fountains MUST be provided. They just don’t want people mixing with people in line and giving out things because it can influence them to vote one way or the other. That’s a very sensible rule. Stop the lie that people don’t have access to water.

And there you go again nattering on about the water when the same bill allows the state legislature to supersede the authority of county election boards, and removed the popularly elected Secretary of State from an elections role and replaced him/her with someone appointed by the state legislature.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who call themselves rational conservatives should not be allowed to vote. They are likely to be sociopaths who believe that government and laws should serve their interests above those of others, and should restrict the actions and beliefs of others but not their own.

The irony of telling somebody with different beliefs that they shouldn’t get a vote whilst you’re on a voting rights thread……utter imbecile.

+ a milion
And, the real goal of the Democrats' "voting rights" bill is to ensure they are in power forever.

This bill will go the same route as BBB. It is a joke and even some Democrats can see that.

If allowing people to vote puts Democrats in power forever then all that means is that people want to vote for Democrats.

Novel idea: Instead of being bastards and trying to cheat people out of their vote, maybe you should work on a better platform and better reasons why people would want to vote for Republicans.

+1 or any platform at all, really, since you don’t have one. Your only plans are the ones like Eastman’s, which involved rejecting dozens of already certified electoral votes representing tens of millions of legally cast ballots to put the guy you liked in charge. That’s the amount of respect you have for votes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Voting rights legislation is needed as Trumpy republican led states are trying to take voting rights away as much as possible. For example, you can't give people water in extremely hot Georgia while they wait in long lines with fewer voting machines in majority black districts.

White friends in Georgia, who were registered as democrats, were turned away from and bounced between polling places until it was too late for them to vote. No amount of arguing or proof of identity and voting registration cards seemed to help.

And then you have all the conservative Republican accusations of illegal voting, which has not actually been found. The only cases that have been, have actually been republicans.

There is no way I would register as a Democrat in a state led by a Trumpy republican governor right now, because I would be afraid I would be prevented from voting. As a white person.

Water is allowed. In fact, self serve water fountains MUST be provided. They just don’t want people mixing with people in line and giving out things because it can influence them to vote one way or the other. That’s a very sensible rule. Stop the lie that people don’t have access to water.

A lot of good those self serve water fountains do when you're stuck standing for hours OUTSIDE of the polling station where the water fountains are.

And TBH the water isn't even the problem. It's the standing for hours waiting. That's why they need to improve the ways by which one can cast a ballot.

Plus, with the water, a case of 40 bottles of water is not even $4 at Costco. Do you seriously want us to believe that someone is going to completely change their political values and who they vote for in exchange for a $0.10 bottle of water? I don't. But if you still do, then maybe instead of worrying about the "undue influence" of a paltry $0.10 bottle of water you should instead focus on policies oriented toward treating them better and paying them more in the first place.

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Question for the OP... As a "rational conservative" you DO know that "ThERe WuZ MaSSIvE FrAUd! ThEY StOLe tHE EleCtIOn fROm TrUMp!!" was a lie, right?

And you do know that the spate of state laws making it harder to vote were based on that lie, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who call themselves rational conservatives should not be allowed to vote. They are likely to be sociopaths who believe that government and laws should serve their interests above those of others, and should restrict the actions and beliefs of others but not their own.

The irony of telling somebody with different beliefs that they shouldn’t get a vote whilst you’re on a voting rights thread……utter imbecile.

There is a difference between using hyperbole to make a point and you know, actually curtailing people's voting franchise.

Whoosh, right over your head.

JFC, I was mocking the “rational” conservative asking why he/she should give a shit whether black and brown people are disenfranchised by conservative state and local governments. Conservatives are not entitled to special rights or vetoes over the rights of others. Get over yourselves and be decent citizens.

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One more time for the folks in the back…

[Anonymous]

Voting for citizens should be as easy and convenient as possible. Everyone should be granted time off from work to vote. I believe voting days should be national holidays. It's also more important to vote in local elections because it impacts you more. Polling places should be secure and near your home.

Last year polling places were closed in minority communities where constituents have no access to transportation. Long lines to vote discourage people who are poor from voting because they can't afford to spend so much time away from work.

I believe elections should be secure and ID should be required. Ids shouldn't have so many regulatory hurdles to to get. A free id card should be given to every citizen of a state upon reaching 18. A driver's license is different. I think your constitutional right to vote shouldn't be taken away for petty offenses. There are some offenses against humanity and the state that are worthy of losing your right to vote.

Voting is very important and should be protected. This county has a history of bombing polling places to prevent minorities from voting. There has also been disenfranchisement of women.

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[Gov. George C. Wallace:] I don’t think they had, had, had to lose anything. They have always been—there’s a region of the country that did not like strong national simple government. And it was an exercise of that feeling that the Federal Government is taking us over and swallowing us up and becoming our master instead of our servant. That was what they thought they were losing. They didn’t—the segregation issue was one of those things that was latched upon as the usurpation of authority, but we were going to do it ourselves, but they wanted to do it themselves. And today, isn’t that what everybody says, they run for Congress in Pennsylvania and New York, California. I am for more rights for California not the Federal Government taking over and writing all the guidelines. That’s what everybody says now. That’s what Reagan got elected by one of the biggest votes anybody ever elected by saying those very same things I said way back yonder when I ran for the Presidency myself and when I got shot.
http://repository.wustl.edu/concern/videos/8049g721j

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Democrats have been losing state races the last 10 years in key states and this is just sour grapes not that maps are about to redrawn. The hyperbole is ridiculous and just for headlines.