I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

[Anonymous]

Once again, Republicans have shown that they don’t care about voting rights. OP asks “Why is voting rights legislation needed?” Several people answer. Republicans (and possibly OP) reply that we’re making too big a deal out of this.

This would seriously be okay with you if the tables were turned, OP and con PPs?
“Changes in how Congress handles the electoral vote count around Jan. 6 every four years wouldn’t speak to any of that. Nor would they address what is perhaps among the worst of the recent state predations: election hijacking. Last year, 262 bills introduced in 41 states would award undue power to state legislatures or hyperpartisan actors to interfere with election administration; 32 of them are now law in 17 states.

The measures introduced or passed do things such as intimidate election officials by allowing bogus “audits” of nonexistent fraud, criminalize routine election administration and allow legislatures to replace election boards that refuse to bow to partisanship. In the worst-case scenario, some proposals permit the state legislature to determine who won an election, irrespective of the voters’ choice.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/06/eca-reform-voting-rights/

What the GOP is introducing as law (written by ALEC or similar, no doubt) is nothing short of fascism. Allowing the appearance of a free and fair election but then overturning the outcome if the GOP statehouse doesn’t like it is fascism.

Does none of you think this is a big deal, seriously? At what point did you all decide fascism was the way forward?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once again, Republicans have shown that they don’t care about voting rights. OP asks “Why is voting rights legislation needed?” Several people answer. Republicans (and possibly OP) reply that we’re making too big a deal out of this.

This would seriously be okay with you if the tables were turned, OP and con PPs?
“Changes in how Congress handles the electoral vote count around Jan. 6 every four years wouldn’t speak to any of that. Nor would they address what is perhaps among the worst of the recent state predations: election hijacking. Last year, 262 bills introduced in 41 states would award undue power to state legislatures or hyperpartisan actors to interfere with election administration; 32 of them are now law in 17 states.

The measures introduced or passed do things such as intimidate election officials by allowing bogus “audits” of nonexistent fraud, criminalize routine election administration and allow legislatures to replace election boards that refuse to bow to partisanship. In the worst-case scenario, some proposals permit the state legislature to determine who won an election, irrespective of the voters’ choice.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/06/eca-reform-voting-rights/

What the GOP is introducing as law (written by ALEC or similar, no doubt) is nothing short of fascism. Allowing the appearance of a free and fair election but then overturning the outcome if the GOP statehouse doesn’t like it is fascism.

Does none of you think this is a big deal, seriously? At what point did you all decide fascism was the way forward?

When owning the libs became more important than governing. So, around 1995 or so. Thanks, Newt!

[Anonymous]

People who call themselves rational conservatives should not be allowed to vote. They are likely to be sociopaths who believe that government and laws should serve their interests above those of others, and should restrict the actions and beliefs of others but not their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once again, Republicans have shown that they don’t care about voting rights. OP asks “Why is voting rights legislation needed?” Several people answer. Republicans (and possibly OP) reply that we’re making too big a deal out of this.

This would seriously be okay with you if the tables were turned, OP and con PPs?
“Changes in how Congress handles the electoral vote count around Jan. 6 every four years wouldn’t speak to any of that. Nor would they address what is perhaps among the worst of the recent state predations: election hijacking. Last year, 262 bills introduced in 41 states would award undue power to state legislatures or hyperpartisan actors to interfere with election administration; 32 of them are now law in 17 states.

The measures introduced or passed do things such as intimidate election officials by allowing bogus “audits” of nonexistent fraud, criminalize routine election administration and allow legislatures to replace election boards that refuse to bow to partisanship. In the worst-case scenario, some proposals permit the state legislature to determine who won an election, irrespective of the voters’ choice.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/06/eca-reform-voting-rights/

What the GOP is introducing as law (written by ALEC or similar, no doubt) is nothing short of fascism. Allowing the appearance of a free and fair election but then overturning the outcome if the GOP statehouse doesn’t like it is fascism.

Does none of you think this is a big deal, seriously? At what point did you all decide fascism was the way forward?

OP certainly showed she’s a “rationale” conservative though. She’ll come up with rationales to support her predetermined positions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who call themselves rational conservatives should not be allowed to vote. They are likely to be sociopaths who believe that government and laws should serve their interests above those of others, and should restrict the actions and beliefs of others but not their own.

The irony of telling somebody with different beliefs that they shouldn’t get a vote whilst you’re on a voting rights thread……utter imbecile.

[Anonymous]

15:32 again.

The crime of forging election certifications is related to what OP is talking about. OP, are you going to come back and talk about this, or did you just think we were making this all up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again, Republicans have shown that they don’t care about voting rights. OP asks “Why is voting rights legislation needed?” Several people answer. Republicans (and possibly OP) reply that we’re making too big a deal out of this.

This would seriously be okay with you if the tables were turned, OP and con PPs?
“Changes in how Congress handles the electoral vote count around Jan. 6 every four years wouldn’t speak to any of that. Nor would they address what is perhaps among the worst of the recent state predations: election hijacking. Last year, 262 bills introduced in 41 states would award undue power to state legislatures or hyperpartisan actors to interfere with election administration; 32 of them are now law in 17 states.

The measures introduced or passed do things such as intimidate election officials by allowing bogus “audits” of nonexistent fraud, criminalize routine election administration and allow legislatures to replace election boards that refuse to bow to partisanship. In the worst-case scenario, some proposals permit the state legislature to determine who won an election, irrespective of the voters’ choice.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/06/eca-reform-voting-rights/

What the GOP is introducing as law (written by ALEC or similar, no doubt) is nothing short of fascism. Allowing the appearance of a free and fair election but then overturning the outcome if the GOP statehouse doesn’t like it is fascism.

Does none of you think this is a big deal, seriously? At what point did you all decide fascism was the way forward?

OP certainly showed she’s a “rationale” conservative though. She’ll come up with rationales to support her predetermined positions.

OP here - have to admit, that's a good one!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again, Republicans have shown that they don’t care about voting rights. OP asks “Why is voting rights legislation needed?” Several people answer. Republicans (and possibly OP) reply that we’re making too big a deal out of this.

This would seriously be okay with you if the tables were turned, OP and con PPs?
“Changes in how Congress handles the electoral vote count around Jan. 6 every four years wouldn’t speak to any of that. Nor would they address what is perhaps among the worst of the recent state predations: election hijacking. Last year, 262 bills introduced in 41 states would award undue power to state legislatures or hyperpartisan actors to interfere with election administration; 32 of them are now law in 17 states.

The measures introduced or passed do things such as intimidate election officials by allowing bogus “audits” of nonexistent fraud, criminalize routine election administration and allow legislatures to replace election boards that refuse to bow to partisanship. In the worst-case scenario, some proposals permit the state legislature to determine who won an election, irrespective of the voters’ choice.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/06/eca-reform-voting-rights/

What the GOP is introducing as law (written by ALEC or similar, no doubt) is nothing short of fascism. Allowing the appearance of a free and fair election but then overturning the outcome if the GOP statehouse doesn’t like it is fascism.

Does none of you think this is a big deal, seriously? At what point did you all decide fascism was the way forward?

OP certainly showed she’s a “rationale” conservative though. She’ll come up with rationales to support her predetermined positions.

OP here - have to admit, that's a good one!

So are you going to deal with any substance or are you just enjoying the random joke generation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who call themselves rational conservatives should not be allowed to vote. They are likely to be sociopaths who believe that government and laws should serve their interests above those of others, and should restrict the actions and beliefs of others but not their own.

The irony of telling somebody with different beliefs that they shouldn’t get a vote whilst you’re on a voting rights thread……utter imbecile.

There is a difference between using hyperbole to make a point and you know, actually curtailing people's voting franchise.

Whoosh, right over your head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

Probably not as you do not know the difference between rationale and rational.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again, Republicans have shown that they don’t care about voting rights. OP asks “Why is voting rights legislation needed?” Several people answer. Republicans (and possibly OP) reply that we’re making too big a deal out of this.

This would seriously be okay with you if the tables were turned, OP and con PPs?
“Changes in how Congress handles the electoral vote count around Jan. 6 every four years wouldn’t speak to any of that. Nor would they address what is perhaps among the worst of the recent state predations: election hijacking. Last year, 262 bills introduced in 41 states would award undue power to state legislatures or hyperpartisan actors to interfere with election administration; 32 of them are now law in 17 states.

The measures introduced or passed do things such as intimidate election officials by allowing bogus “audits” of nonexistent fraud, criminalize routine election administration and allow legislatures to replace election boards that refuse to bow to partisanship. In the worst-case scenario, some proposals permit the state legislature to determine who won an election, irrespective of the voters’ choice.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/06/eca-reform-voting-rights/

What the GOP is introducing as law (written by ALEC or similar, no doubt) is nothing short of fascism. Allowing the appearance of a free and fair election but then overturning the outcome if the GOP statehouse doesn’t like it is fascism.

Does none of you think this is a big deal, seriously? At what point did you all decide fascism was the way forward?

OP certainly showed she’s a “rationale” conservative though. She’ll come up with rationales to support her predetermined positions.

OP here - have to admit, that's a good one!

So are you going to deal with any substance or are you just enjoying the random joke generation?

Well, my take is that anyone who wants to vote can vote. None of the state-level restrictions or audits really change that. The article in the post looks like a partisan op-ed. I guess I'm just not worried that anyone who truly wants to vote will be denied.

[Anonymous]

Voting rights legislation is needed as Trumpy republican led states are trying to take voting rights away as much as possible. For example, you can't give people water in extremely hot Georgia while they wait in long lines with fewer voting machines in majority black districts.

White friends in Georgia, who were registered as democrats, were turned away from and bounced between polling places until it was too late for them to vote. No amount of arguing or proof of identity and voting registration cards seemed to help.

And then you have all the conservative Republican accusations of illegal voting, which has not actually been found. The only cases that have been, have actually been republicans.

There is no way I would register as a Democrat in a state led by a Trumpy republican governor right now, because I would be afraid I would be prevented from voting. As a white person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again, Republicans have shown that they don’t care about voting rights. OP asks “Why is voting rights legislation needed?” Several people answer. Republicans (and possibly OP) reply that we’re making too big a deal out of this.

This would seriously be okay with you if the tables were turned, OP and con PPs?
“Changes in how Congress handles the electoral vote count around Jan. 6 every four years wouldn’t speak to any of that. Nor would they address what is perhaps among the worst of the recent state predations: election hijacking. Last year, 262 bills introduced in 41 states would award undue power to state legislatures or hyperpartisan actors to interfere with election administration; 32 of them are now law in 17 states.

The measures introduced or passed do things such as intimidate election officials by allowing bogus “audits” of nonexistent fraud, criminalize routine election administration and allow legislatures to replace election boards that refuse to bow to partisanship. In the worst-case scenario, some proposals permit the state legislature to determine who won an election, irrespective of the voters’ choice.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/06/eca-reform-voting-rights/

What the GOP is introducing as law (written by ALEC or similar, no doubt) is nothing short of fascism. Allowing the appearance of a free and fair election but then overturning the outcome if the GOP statehouse doesn’t like it is fascism.

Does none of you think this is a big deal, seriously? At what point did you all decide fascism was the way forward?

OP certainly showed she’s a “rationale” conservative though. She’ll come up with rationales to support her predetermined positions.

OP here - have to admit, that's a good one!

So are you going to deal with any substance or are you just enjoying the random joke generation?

Well, my take is that anyone who wants to vote can vote. None of the state-level restrictions or audits really change that. The article in the post looks like a partisan op-ed. I guess I'm just not worried that anyone who truly wants to vote will be denied.

Well, your take is wrong, and what about the whole idea that the most votes in a jurisdiction, wins? Because the GOP is changing that as well. Do you agree a partisan legislature can overturn a majority vote to change the outcome of people's vote? Because if you believe, like I do, that is wrong, then you should be supporting the democrats legislation. If you are good with it, then we can all look forward to the coming autocracy.

Not hyperbole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have you ever stood in line, outside, with a kid or two, in bad weather, for several hours to vote OP? Maybe while taking off of work and losing the pay you need to feed the kids?

Yeah. I didn’t think so.

I’ve only ever seen longish lines in places where people have money. My mom and brother still live in the City of Detroit. One will vote in the morning, the other after work, and sometimes they are back to back voters at the in person polling site. My brother has been voter number 6 at 7pm. Other years it may be slightly more. I don’t know what the right answer is. Many neighbors just vote absentee even though the site is less than a block away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who call themselves rational conservatives should not be allowed to vote. They are likely to be sociopaths who believe that government and laws should serve their interests above those of others, and should restrict the actions and beliefs of others but not their own.

The irony of telling somebody with different beliefs that they shouldn’t get a vote whilst you’re on a voting rights thread……utter imbecile.

+ a milion
And, the real goal of the Democrats' "voting rights" bill is to ensure they are in power forever.

This bill will go the same route as BBB. It is a joke and even some Democrats can see that.